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RedBear
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New immigration process
okay, now i'm thoroughy confused. If we already have FM2 & FM3 status and our current cards expire ina few months do we have to apply for some
new status card or do we keep the cards we have. Is there a webiste in English that will explain the new process?
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DENNIS
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Next step for you....either residente temporada or residente permanente. Here's some reading material:
http://yucalandia.com/living-in-yucatan-mexico/new-immigrati...
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Hook
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Why dont you ask others with FM2/3s in your area? Surely, you're not the first one in Abreojos to go through the new procedure.
I suggest this because it changes from office to office. What they do in Yucatan is not necessarily what they do in La Paz, NO MATTER WHAT THE LETTER
OF THE LAW SAYS.
When I applied for a permanente in Guaymas in December, they said I wasnt eligible. Now, they are allowing people in my exact situation to do it.
When I tried to use my own translated bank statements, they said they had to be translated by an official translator only. Now, they dont even require
them to be translated by ANY means.
The new laws are a moving target, drifting through the time-space continuum........I know, that's makes no sense.
Neither do the new requirements.
Dennis, you ever get your permanente? Where you at on that?
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RedBear
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thanks for the replies. I've got someone caling the immigration office in Sta Rosalia tomorrow to find out what I can do. As far as I know, we may be
the first americans in Abre to go through the new process. I only say that becuase there aren't that many permanent American residents there. Most
just get the standard travel visa and don;t have FM 2 or FM 3 status.
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Bajafun777
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Don't worry Mexico is going to follow the USA lead and grant everyone there illegally AMNESTY, whether that number be 12 million or 20 million just
wait it will happen, LOL.
Could not resist just too hard watching Americans and Canadians jumping through hoops trying to do the right thing while others do it the wrong way
and get rewarded. Fair or Unfair I know the comments to my humor will be blasting but I really feel whatever the other Countries immigration rules
and regulations are to us should be the same to them. We have helped several people immigrate into the USA but we did it the legal way, so I know what
it takes and that it can be done the right way.
With that said when has any other Country ever granted illegal immigrants amnesty like the USA??? None, Never Not ONE!! The first time with Regan
it was said to be maybe 2 to 4 million but turned out to be closer to possibly 6 million. Just tired of seeing us get the short end of the stick here
and there, Fair or UNFAIR, HMMMMMM?? That is the QUESTION!! LOL Take Care & Travel Safe------"No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN!!"""
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grizzlyfsh95
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
Seriously?!
Don't be a 'tard....
Jumping through hoops? Get a grip.... I applied with my family, the first in San Diego under the new law, mid-November of 2012 and we have been
Residencia Permanente for over a month.... whew, what a travail! Not.
Try doing that in the other direction in that time frame... I am completely legal.
At least you answered his question.....
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Took me 10 years and $6000. You did it in a year...amazing
The harder I work, the luckier I get
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Dennis, you ever get your permanente? Where you at on that? |
Not quite yet. I thought I was going in to pick it up last week, but it was only for prints and signatures.
One more month.......they say.
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Bajafun777
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Southpath, watch your comments , as I did not insult you and your
experiences, since your experiences may have been different from ours however we know both sides to this.
I won't call you some lowlife name as that would only enable you to be more off the wind into the ozone. Oh, wait you are from San Francisco I
guess the ozone and lowlife roll fits your living arrangements well already!! Take Care & Travel Safe "No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN"
bajafun777
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajafun777
Southpath
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 I like
that. Kinda sums up your life at the moment, Frank.
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Oh, wait you are from San Francisco |
I think he's from San Diego and recently retired from the Fireman's pole....not the dance pole, but who looks back.
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Hook
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Soulpatch, your experience by starting the process OUTSIDE of the country bears zero resemblance to what those of us who are inside Mexico have had to
go through. Manzanas y naranjas, amigo.
It is BY FAR easier to begin the process from a Mexican consulate, than dealing with the idiosyncrasies of the individual offices.
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bajajudy
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Boy I am debating about jumping into this but
My understanding of the new rules is that, if you want a visa other than tourist, it must be started in your home country.
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajajudy
Boy I am debating about jumping into this but
My understanding of the new rules is that, if you want a visa other than tourist, it must be started in your home country. |
I understand your reluctance. INM is all over the map on this.
BUT, if you are already in the country on a non-tourist permit, there is a track you are placed on. It varies from office to office.
The Guaymas office has flip-flopped so many times on this that it's finally lost the humorous aspect of the process.
Streamlined on paper isn't necessarily streamlined on the ground.
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RnR
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Dennis, you ever get your permanente? Where you at on that? |
Not quite yet. I thought I was going in to pick it up last week, but it was only for prints and signatures.
One more month.......they say. |
Yep, that's what La Paz tells everybody. "One month after the fingerprints/signatures are taken".
Six weeks and counting ....
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Riom
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajajudy
My understanding of the new rules is that, if you want a visa other than tourist, it must be started in your home country. |
If you already have a valid FM2/FM3, the process to change it to Temporary or Permanent Resident should be done within Mexico. For those without an
existing card the process must be started from any Mexican consulate in any country outside Mexico that you have legally entered (doesn't have to be
your home country).
The San Felipe process is: if you have held your *current* FM2/FM3 for 4 or 5 years (any previous cards don't count) you can change it for a Permanent
resident card. Otherwise, you get a temporary resident card that takes you up to 4 years residence on the current card.
For example, if you had 5 years on one FM3, then one more year on your current FM2/FM3, you'll get a 3 year temporary resident card. No proof of
income needed, just your statement that nothing has changed.
Alternatively, with the suitable proof of income (and maybe assets, although they weren't doing that in December), you can move straight to permanent
regardless of the number of years on the existing card.
Be sure to apply while the existing FM2/3 is valid. If it is allowed to expire, you will probably have to start all over again from outside Mexico,
and meet the new income requirements.
The process has been a lot slower than last year, because it's new and there's an extra step. For me it was: apply in early December, then the
Christmas break, application started processing in late January, called to the office a couple of days later for fingerprints and photo drop-off,
picked up card (temporary, 2 year) in late February.
Other offices may well be different. :-)
I'm not aware of any country with a simpler, faster, cheaper way to become a legal (permanent, for those who qualify) resident.
Rob
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by RnR
Yep, that's what La Paz tells everybody. "One month after the fingerprints/signatures are taken".
Six weeks and counting .... |
WEll...I could have been done and gone, but my agent, I believe, dropped the ball and lost track of it. When I called him to see what was up, he
didn't even know that I hadn't been in to sign the papers.
Ohhh well...... if you arn't waiting on something, you probably arn't in Mexico.
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durrelllrobert
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Anyone heard anything new regarding whether or not anyone acheiving a Residente Permanente staus will also have to IMPORT their vehicle(s)?
Bob Durrell
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rhintransit
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underline that, your HOME country. two Canadian friends due to re-up (to Temp or Perm, whatever they could do) drove to San Diego Consulate from
Loreto. no good. they were told to go back to Canada. so they are back now on FMMs
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajajudy
Boy I am debating about jumping into this but
My understanding of the new rules is that, if you want a visa other than tourist, it must be started in your home country. |
reality\'s never been of much use out here...
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
Anyone heard anything new regarding whether or not anyone acheiving a Residente Permanente staus will also have to IMPORT their vehicle(s)?
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Well, there is apparently nothing official from Aduana yet, BUT.............
one person from San Carlos attempted to get an All of Sonora permit for travel within the area of Sonora that is OUTSIDE the free zone. He was denied
BECAUSE he had a permanente card. He was told that this was also the case for the All of Mexico permit and that they will NOT be issuing either of
these permits to foreigners with permanente cards and gringo plates. At least not until Aduana FINALLY issues their long overdue ruling on how they
will treat the foreign plated cars of permanente card holders.
This permit issuing station is THE major permit issuing point for all of the western coast of the mainland. It is where you MUST get a vehicle permit
for leaving the free zone, IF you didnt get one at the border, headed south.
ANYONE with a permanente card who is considering going to the mainland from Baja, with a foreign plated vehicle on any ferry, should really think
hard about this. You could be sent right back.
Repeat: the Mexican agency that issues permits mainland travel for foreign plated vehicles is apparently not issuing them to holders of the permanente
card at this time.
I'd have to say this is not a good omen. Mandatory importation looks likely to me.
[Edited on 3-21-2013 by Hook]
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Bajafun777
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Soulpatch, Who the hell said anything about evil illegals working here, my point was as Americans we always get the shaft from other Countries even
though they always, repeat always getting the benefits from our Country. Where is the same understand for us in their Country?? Just want a fair
playing ground for our citizens living and visiting Mexico and other foreign Countries.
Now, what ticked me off wasyou trying to insult me by calling me a 'tard' which showed your poor choice of wording. Anyone that has worked for the
Special Olympics or ARC knows how hard these kids and adults with developmental disabilities have to struggle in making their lives workable. I have
worked with these special loving people and this just set me off with my hard reply to you. So, I not going to get into a word war here with you or
name calling. However, we can just agree to disagree but keep your attempt to use hurtful insults that probably touched more people than you realize
to yourself. Enough said on this. However, my whole issue was fairness with Americans and Canadians on immigration issues in Mexico that are clearly
trying to do the legal thing not the illegal thing. Additionally, like the other nomad said on this topic it is very costly in Mexico for our
citizens trying to do the right thing. We along with an aunt are helping a female cousin living in Mexico with her paperwork and to date we have
spent over $6,000 and now the Notary wants another $2,000 to finish it up after 3 years. It seems these government agencies and lawyers keep adding
to the drawn out system to get more monies, regardless of your experience it is not OURS! So, yes I am a little disgusted with this double game
playing being done in Mexico. Take Care and Travel Safe---"No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN" bajafun777
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Riom
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rhintransit
underline that, your HOME country. two Canadian friends due to re-up (to Temp or Perm, whatever they could do) drove to San Diego Consulate from
Loreto. no good. they were told to go back to Canada. so they are back now on FMMs
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That's interesting, the consulate doesn't seem to be following the rules fully. There's an item on the checklist for applying that says you need
"proof of legal stay in the country you are applying from if you are not a citizen of that country". Maybe they're interpreting that as "proof of
residence" instead.
Alternatively, it may just be a problem for Canadians, as they don't generally need an I-94 (US Entry Permit) to enter the US, unlike other
nationalities, and it's that I-94 form that would show that are in the country legally. (it's the US equivalent of an FMM).
Rob
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