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Moon books do get outdated fast. That's why I use their web services. Updated often. Moon is like any other source of data including stuff that get's
posted here on the BN.......nothing is perfect :-) I do however have used Moon with very few issues..... for twenty years ....just my experience.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Jaybo
TripAdvisor seems to be a lot more reliable than the ever-out-of-date Moon book. |
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jeffg
Check out La Ventana, that would put you reasonably close. |
there is one resort with a pool in LaVentana.
www.kiteparadise.biz rates are reasonableish. maybe $90.00 for rooms with outstanding water views.
He is about 5 properties away from me, he is the only Mexican who owns a resort in the entire area. What a name, it is actually David de La Paz and
his legal name. I am sure he can arrange a local boat that will pick you up in front of the hotel and fish same places that Bay of Dreams does or
some north of the island if the fish are there..
give me a shout if ya stay there, well head our for dinner.
[Edited on 6-3-2013 by laventana]
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It's over 11 miles from that motel in La Vetana to Pt Arena and you still need to go further to get to Los Muertos. That's a pretty fair long boat
ride before you get into fish. In the afternoon you'll riding back those 11 miles into the wind from Muertos to La Ventana. The best fishing is off
the south end of Cerralvo in the early morning. Again, being closer is better so that you can be there at the 'magic' time.
A launch at Muertos or Pt Arena might be better.
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laventana
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
It's over 11 miles from that motel in La Vetana to Pt Arena and you still need to go further to get to Los Muertos. That's a pretty fair long boat
ride before you get into fish. In the afternoon you'll riding back those 11 miles into the wind from Muertos to La Ventana. The best fishing is off
the south end of Cerralvo in the early morning. Again, being closer is better so that you can be there at the 'magic' time.
A launch at Muertos or Pt Arena might be better. |
Morning no wind, south end of cerralvo is 11 miles. Not all are wanting to shell out $$$$$ on a room at Bay of Dreams a night. It is darn nice,
and has a few rich and famous style pools.
In the summer there is not much wind in Ventana Bay a bit more Sea of Cortez in the afternoon. LaVentana now has one concrete boat launch and a
second planned.
Some do drive to Bay of Dreams and go out there in the winter..
Generally most leave from here.. In the winter fishing can be good north end of the island too, which makes it a shorter trip than going out
from Bay of Dreams.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Jack Swords
The use of muerto is not always in regard to a dead person. Old timers in the area have to me that there used to be moorings for ships offloading the
ore from Triunfo in the bay (part of the dock is still there). Another translation of muertos is the deadweight holding the mooring on the bottom of
the water. (http://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish_to_english/ships_sailing_m...). Historically it makes sense, paticularly since Muertos Bay is used by cruisers
as a safe anchorage going to and from La Paz and mainland Mexico and can be quite crowded. It's too bad so many of our historical place names are
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Interesting. Thanks.
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elgatoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by laventana
| Quote: | Originally posted by jeffg
Check out La Ventana, that would put you reasonably close. |
there is one resort with a pool in LaVentana.
www.kiteparadise.biz rates are reasonableish. maybe $90.00 for rooms with outstanding water views.
He is about 5 properties away from me, he is the only Mexican who owns a resort in the entire area. What a name, it is actually David de La Paz and
his legal name. I am sure he can arrange a local boat that will pick you up in front of the hotel and fish same places that Bay of Dreams does or
some north of the island if the fish are there..
give me a shout if ya stay there, well head our for dinner.
[Edited on 6-3-2013 by laventana] |
That looks like a nice deck to have your morning coffee.......
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laventana
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| Quote: | Originally posted by elgatoloco
| Quote: | Originally posted by Jack Swords
The use of muerto is not always in regard to a dead person. Old timers in the area have to me that there used to be moorings for ships offloading the
ore from Triunfo in the bay (part of the dock is still there). Another translation of muertos is the deadweight holding the mooring on the bottom of
the water. (http://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish_to_english/ships_sailing_m...). Historically it makes sense, paticularly since Muertos Bay is used by cruisers
as a safe anchorage going to and from La Paz and mainland Mexico and can be quite crowded. It's too bad so many of our historical place names are
sanitized and therefore meaningless. |
Interesting. Thanks. |
that indeed is interesting. The rumor I had heard they sent a boatload of people
with small pox to die there. But I always believed it had to do with it is calm water "dead water" was my take.
LaPaz was not too crowded... San Antonio was actually the larger city way back.
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I was just over there last week & stayed in La Ventana. Less than a half hour drive to Muertos. Go to La Ventana websites. I stayed at Baja
Joes and looked at a few others--there are many! Beautiful views! Tio
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Tio Tomas,
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Can you still RV on the beach
at Suenos, like my folks did in the 70's?
Before the highway, they'd pull their trailer down the mainland, and take the ferry to La Paz.
The old man would catch Sierras from his tin boat, & get tubs of greens and vegetables from the fincas.
Sounded like the good life to me.
Neil
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| Quote: | Originally posted by neilm81301
at Suenos, like my folks did in the 70's?
Before the highway, they'd pull their trailer down the mainland, and take the ferry to La Paz.
The old man would catch Sierras from his tin boat, & get tubs of greens and vegetables from the fincas.
Sounded like the good life to me.
Neil |
nope... no rvs on that beach allowed. over here in LaVentana we have a few free and a campground
that has water and many RVs. The free beaches you would have them to yourself over here at night. During the day in the winter about 50 kiters
will drive out and launch from there.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Suenos sounds like something a real estate promoter would come up with. |
And is exactly the case here, the guy who's invested there is the one responsible for the name change.
There most certainly is but one side to every story: the TRUTH. Variations of it are nothing but lies.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Suenos sounds like something a real estate promoter would come up with. |
And is exactly the case here, the guy who's invested there is the one responsible for the name change.
There most certainly is but one side to every story: the TRUTH. Variations of it are nothing but lies.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
As I recall Bahia de Los Muertos was named for a mishap. Some extranjeros wandered into the area, became disoriented from the heat, and perished.
I think they should have kept the name. Suenos sounds like something a real estate promoter would come up with. |
My original edition Sea of Cortez, the Sunset book, seems to say that the Vagabundos (No, not the club) used the area to bury their dead.
Si estás buscando la person que cambiará su vida, échale una mirada en el espejo.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Suenos sounds like something a real estate promoter would come up with. |
And is exactly the case here, the guy who's invested there is the one responsible for the name change. |
It seems like the name change and all the signs that say B. d. SUENOS - put up by the developer, I think - happened right about the time they
put in a beautifully smooth paved road from San Antonio to just north of San Juan de los Planes, replacing a washboard nightmare no rich gringo would
tolerate. All the better to get you from the Los Cabos airport to the ritzy resort. That was around 2007, I think, right before the real estate
crash.
Si sirve, sirve.
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We did the drive from El Sargento to Ensenada de Los Muertos. Not worth the drive. There was a gate at the entrance to the bay, and unless you had a
reservation, you could not even drive by the area.
Also, The map shows a dirt road from San Juan De Los Planes to San Antonio. That road has been paved for about three years now.
This last February we also drove the dirt road from Boca Del Alamo all the way to San Jose Del Cabo. It was a worthwhile drive, but the ocean views I
expected were blocked because the road was mostly behind some hill sides blocking the view.
Cabo Pulmo was beautiful, and I can see why it is such a great diving destination, but that is the most water you'll see when driving that road. There
were a few other "open" views, but most of the land was fenced off between the road and the water. The very few open viewing spots were turtle
sanctuaries, therefore one had to be careful where one went.
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Before the marketing folks changed the name, it was Bahia de los Muertos:
2010 era map
1965 era map
(the black line was our route of travel in 1966, pavement ended 10 miles south of La Paz.)
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laventana
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Udo
We did the drive from El Sargento to Ensenada de Los Muertos. Not worth the drive. There was a gate at the entrance to the bay, and unless you had a
reservation, you could not even drive by the area.
Also, The map shows a dirt road from San Juan De Los Planes to San Antonio. That road has been paved for about three years now.
This last February we also drove the dirt road from Boca Del Alamo all the way to San Jose Del Cabo. It was a worthwhile drive, but the ocean views I
expected were blocked because the road was mostly behind some hill sides blocking the view.
Cabo Pulmo was beautiful, and I can see why it is such a great diving destination, but that is the most water you'll see when driving that road. There
were a few other "open" views, but most of the land was fenced off between the road and the water. The very few open viewing spots were turtle
sanctuaries, therefore one had to be careful where one went.
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Before the marketing folks changed the name, it was Bahia de los Muertos:
2010 era map
1965 era map
(the black line was our route of travel in 1966, pavement ended 10 miles south of La Paz.)
[Edited on 4-4-2013 by David K] |
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special note, if going to Muertos bay, if you want to go past the guarded gate just tell them you are going in for breakfast or lunch and the gate
will be opened for you. Both are very reasonably priced... You do need reservations for dinner and $$$$$$.
Also if you just keep going straight there is a really really nice view restaurant, and if you are a person who likes snorkeling, walk past it around
the bend and go 100 yards past the bend right there.
The other intimidating one is over at Punta Arena near Muertos. They have a two stage guard system. Just tell them you are going fishing or
snorkeling. In front of the old hotel is also a great snorkeling place.
Now ya know a local just ask.
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who remembers that long taxi ride from the hotel los arcos out to las arenas? 
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