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measomsan
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Dual Nationality
I will be able if I choose to get my Mexico citizenship. I know what I have to do.
Looking on the US Gov site I am not sure if it really jeopardizes loosing my US one. Been on the site and seems a bit vage.
Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign
citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the
foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship
So if I do not have the intention to give up my US ...do i lose it?
Any Nomads carry two passports?
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monoloco
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No
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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elizabeth
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There is a presumption that you do not intend to relinquish US citizenship when acquiring Mexican citizenship...no worries!
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BajaBlanca
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Then why would the words DUAL NATIONAL exist?
I am a triple national......born in USA, Brazilian and Mexican.
Les is born in Poland, British and soon to be Mexican.
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measomsan
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Thanks for the feed back
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bajacalifornian
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I carry two. U.S. rufuses to acknowlege my Mexican.
American by birth, Mexican by choice.
Signature addendum: Danish physicist — Niels Bohr — who said, “The opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth.
Jeff Petersen
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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I have a Mexican and Canadian passport. In Canada you have to apply to give up your citizenship so if you dont...you keep your canuckness.
I was told to use my mexican passport when in Mexico and Canadian while traveling. Apparently one of the only drawbacks is that if you get into
trouble in Mexico and are a citizen...you cant call the USA consulate for help.
[Edited on 6-9-2013 by shari]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajacalifornian
I carry two. U.S. rufuses to acknowlege my Mexican. |
What would be the advantage if they did?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
if you get into trouble in Mexico and are a citizen...you cant call the USA consulate for help.
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If a Yank gets jambed up in Mexico and calls the US Consulate, that's a ticket out of the country anyway......guilty or not.
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Lee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
Apparently one of the only drawbacks is that if you get into trouble in Mexico and are a citizen...you cant call the USA consulate for help.
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If I had dual and got in trouble, I'd use the passport that would be getting me out of trouble.
On the other hand, MX law might be more lenient SOB if viewed as MX citizen.
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
I have a Mexican and Canadian passport. In Canada you have to apply to give up your citizenship so if you dont...you keep your canuckness.
[Edited on 6-9-2013 by shari] |
It's the same in the US, you have to also pay a percentage of your assets as
an exit tax.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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DaliDali
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
if you get into trouble in Mexico and are a citizen...you cant call the USA consulate for help.
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If a Yank gets jambed up in Mexico and calls the US Consulate, that's a ticket out of the country anyway......guilty or not. |
How is it that a call to the US Consulate or Embassy would be a ticket out of MX?.......
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
If a Yank gets jambed up in Mexico and calls the US Consulate, that's a ticket out of the country anyway......guilty or not. |
How is it that a call to the US Consulate or Embassy would be a ticket out of MX?....... |
It's just the way it works, legal, logical, nice or not. Local police agencies don't appreciate foreigners bringing in the big guns. It calls too
much attention to their methods. So, if you want to make an international case out of anything, they see it as an in-your-face challenge, and if
there's no real reason for deportation, they'll make one up. They don't need reasons.
Or....do you really think we have rights? 
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bajaguy
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Mood: must be 5 O'clock somewhere in Baja
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Under the protocols of Article 36, paragraph 1, of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations of 1963 if a Foreign National is arrested, the
arresting agency has a duty to notify the Embassy or nearest consulate of the detainee/arrestees home country without delay..............
Further, Article VI of the Consular Convention between the United States of America and the United Mexican States (the “Bilateral Consular
Convention”) provides in pertinent part:
1. Consular officers of either High Contracting Party may, ...
address the authorities, National, State, Provincial or
Municipal, for the purpose of protecting the nationals of
the State ... in the enjoyment of rights accruing by treaty or
otherwise... . Failure upon the part of the proper
authorities to grant redress or to accord protection may
justify interposition through the diplomatic channel ...
2. Consular officers shall ... have the right:
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(d) to assist the nationals ... in proceedings before or
relations with authorities of the State.
3. Nationals of either High Contracting Party shall have the
right at all times to communicate with the consular
officers of their country.
In other words, foreign nationals have the right, at all times, to communicate with consular officials.
The calling of a consular official is NOT a "get out of jail free" card
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Bob H
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
In Canada you have to apply to give up your citizenship so if you dont...you keep your canuckness.
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I love the word 'canuckness' Shari !!
The SAME boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg. It's about what you are made of NOT the circumstance.
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DENNIS
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The arresting agency does call the consulate, but all detainees aren't arrested and if during their time in custody they insist on calling the
Consulate, they should have their bags packed because they're as good as gone.
I've been deported, and in the process, got the full scoop from those carrying the keys. I'm not just making up this sheit.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Don't need to carry a pasaporte Mexicano. I use my IFE card, and everyone recognizes and accepts it. Puestos de Controles, ADUANA, etc.
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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Bomberro
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Just to clear up some terminology, the USA does not recognize "dual citizenship" with Mexico. We were given a short lesson at the border crossing by
one of the US Agents. You can gain Mexican Citizenship, however, it does not remove your US Citizenship. If you go to the US Consulate and renounce
your US Citizenship, then you are no longer an American. You would need to get a visa to enter the USA. The State Department stated some time ago that
swearing citizenship in say Mexico does not take away your US. This is for US people living in other places and where they gain an advantage in
property ownership or other things that are of a benefit to the US Citizen. Swearing an oath of citizenship could have a conflict with some sensitive
positions in government. Hope this helps.
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DaliDali
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
If a Yank gets jambed up in Mexico and calls the US Consulate, that's a ticket out of the country anyway......guilty or not. |
How is it that a call to the US Consulate or Embassy would be a ticket out of MX?....... |
It's just the way it works, legal, logical, nice or not. Local police agencies don't appreciate foreigners bringing in the big guns. It calls too
much attention to their methods. So, if you want to make an international case out of anything, they see it as an in-your-face challenge, and if
there's no real reason for deportation, they'll make one up. They don't need reasons.
Or....do you really think we have rights? |
Can you cite a specific example where a US citizen has called the US Embassy or consulate and then suffered the wrath of a local police agency?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
Can you cite a specific example where a US citizen has called the US Embassy or consulate and then suffered the wrath of a local police agency?
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I could if I had to, but I don't, so I won't. I refrain from taking quizzes on Sunday.
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