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bajaguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Nookster
Yeah you should take them off, but I forget, however that doesn't allow her or anybody to be that rude and nasty. |
You could write a formal complaint letter to the supervisor in charge of the district.
Here ya go, get out your pencil and some paper.
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General Information
(01/20/2012)
Chief Patrol Agent: Paul A. Beeson
Deputy Chief Patrol Agent: Rodney S. Scott
Service Area: The San Diego Sector covers the entire San Diego County.
Sector Headquarters Location: 2411 Boswell Road, Chula Vista, California
Contact Information: Phone Number (619) 216-4000;
Sector Headquarters Mailing Address:
2411 Boswell Rd.,
Chula Vista, CA 91914-3519
Community Feedback: We strive to provide quality service to our customers. If we have not lived up to this commitment, we would like to know.
If we have met or exceeded your expectations, please let us know that as well. To comment on the services provided by this office, please write to the
Sector Chief Patrol Agent.
If you feel you were mistreated by a Border Patrol employee or wish to make a complaint of misconduct by a Border Patrol employee, you may write to
the Chief Patrol Agent.
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Nookster
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bajaguy thanks for that info. I'm really not a complaint type guy, I just roll with it and move on. However this agent disposition was over the top.
My brother was with me and he hardly ever goes down and said "after being down all week the Mexicans everywhere where overly gracious and friendly,
then when we get back to our own country and one of our own acts like that, it has to make you wonder". Hey, but I guess sometime a person can have a
bad day. I keep a window sticker on my truck that says "No Bad Days". Maybe I should mail a few too the Tecate crossing folks.
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David K
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The seriously bizarre, bigoted questions we got last time through Tecate by the U.S. border officer was so out of line, it is hard to set aside. Baja
Angel who loves Baja, was so put off by that and the longer waits coming home, she is not anxious for a repeat. See my Memorial Day 2013 trip report
for the details.
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Nookster
Yeah you should take them off, but I forget, however that doesn't allow her or anybody to be that rude and nasty. |
You could write a formal complaint letter to the supervisor in charge of the district.
Here ya go, get out your pencil and some paper.
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General Information
(01/20/2012)
Chief Patrol Agent: Paul A. Beeson
Deputy Chief Patrol Agent: Rodney S. Scott
Service Area: The San Diego Sector covers the entire San Diego County.
Sector Headquarters Location: 2411 Boswell Road, Chula Vista, California
Contact Information: Phone Number (619) 216-4000;
Sector Headquarters Mailing Address:
2411 Boswell Rd.,
Chula Vista, CA 91914-3519
Community Feedback: We strive to provide quality service to our customers. If we have not lived up to this commitment, we would like to know.
If we have met or exceeded your expectations, please let us know that as well. To comment on the services provided by this office, please write to the
Sector Chief Patrol Agent.
If you feel you were mistreated by a Border Patrol employee or wish to make a complaint of misconduct by a Border Patrol employee, you may write to
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You'd probably have just as much luck with this:
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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bajaguy
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Letters, we get letters.............
Nookster, David K and others.
It is not easy to sit there and take it, from the US CBP or the Mexican police, however if we (or you) do nothing, the behavior continues.
Take 10 minutes and write a letter........not only the the CBP chief, but to your US Senator and Congressman. Things will happen and you will get an
apology.
For the Mexican police, a letter to the State Tourism Chief, the State Police (PEP) and any other state, local and federal addresses you can
find............the more letters the better.
One 'fake out' trick I have used is to include a "CC" or "copy" line to the local newspapers.
Just remember, date, time, location, details.......keep it on point
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motoged
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
.... Baja Angel who loves Baja, was so put off by that and the longer waits coming home, she is not anxious for a repeat.... |
Oh oh.....
Well, you always have the Tacoma for dependability 
I am sure she recognizes that the price of admission (and the return) is worth it 
Don't believe everything you think....
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David K
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Yes, we have always felt an hour or two border wait was well within the norms since what happened to us (U.S.) 12 years ago today... It was the the
weird, ignorant questioning we have never heard before that was just so strange... and I have been traveling to Mexico since 1965, so I have heard
plenty!
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motoged
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Border Agents are trained to detect non-verbal responses to their questions, as well as the verbal replies. So, when they are playing mind-reader
Kresgin, they are looking for other clues as to your present level of comfort with their line of questioning.
So, when they ask yo the same question 5 times, they are waiting for the eye-twitch or similar evidence of your status as a terrorist or other type of
undesirable
Ten years ago I was going north at Tecate crossing. I was on a motorcycle that was pleasingly adorned with a month's worth of dust, mud, and
bugs....and had several bottles of Mexican Cointreau....the female agent was starting her job appropriately when a fat guard stormed into her booth
and said, "He's mine!"
I was prepared for the crossing and had dumped the ten kilos of pot and three "Illegal aliens" out of my panniers a few blocks earlier so, was ready for anything they would throw at me
He directed me to the proctologist's stainless steel table for inspection....and proceeded to tear all my stuff apart. Having found no contraband,
he simply walked away. I followed him and pleasantly asked him to repack my crap....(just for entertainment value). He looked surprised (my
entertainment) and told me he was finished with me and walked away.
I packed my stuff and took a few steps back for a picture.....he then came storming out and bellowed at me that I could not take pictures.
I asked why not. His reply that I could not photograph federal property. I then asked why it was alright to take photos of the White House, Lincoln
Memorial, and such places.
He seemed stumped for a moment before he turned away without answering.
These days I follow the etiquette as best I can....cuz I watch Cops, Border Wars, and Locked Up Abroad a lot on the history channel
My sins of the past don't seem to show up on their computers and I want to keep it that way 
I look at border crossings as an adventure and an opportunity to appear to be the man my dog thinks I am
Don't believe everything you think....
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
I was prepared for the crossing and had dumped the ten kilos of pot and three "Illegal aliens" out of my panniers a few blocks earlier so, was ready for anything they would throw at me
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Reminds of a time I was going north at SY in a ratty old pickup with a shell on the bed and the guard didn't want to get his hands dirty, so he asked
me without looking if I had any illegals in the rear of the truck, to which I replied, "Nah......I use my big truck for that."
He thought that was funny as hell and sent me on my way with a, "Have a nice day."
You never know what to expect, but whatever it is, it should be nice.
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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bajaguy
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Had a nice chat with a CBP agent at the Otay SENTRI booth who wanted to talk about his house in Lomas Del Mar Ensenada, and where were some really
good places to eat. I pointed him to Muelle 3.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
Had a nice chat with a CBP agent at the Otay SENTRI booth who wanted to talk about his house in Lomas Del Mar Ensenada, and where were some really
good places to eat. I pointed him to Muelle 3. |
Really?? Who was that? 
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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bajaguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
Had a nice chat with a CBP agent at the Otay SENTRI booth who wanted to talk about his house in Lomas Del Mar Ensenada, and where were some really
good places to eat. I pointed him to Muelle 3. |
Really?? Who was that? |
Didn't get his name.......it was the Lomas west of/behind Wal Mart
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Nookster
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
Border Agents are trained to detect non-verbal responses to their questions, as well as the verbal replies. So, when they are playing mind-reader
Kresgin, they are looking for other clues as to your present level of comfort with their line of questioning.
So, when they ask yo the same question 5 times, they are waiting for the eye-twitch or similar evidence of your status as a terrorist or other type of
undesirable
Ten years ago I was going north at Tecate crossing. I was on a motorcycle that was pleasingly adorned with a month's worth of dust, mud, and
bugs....and had several bottles of Mexican Cointreau....the female agent was starting her job appropriately when a fat guard stormed into her booth
and said, "He's mine!"
I was prepared for the crossing and had dumped the ten kilos of pot and three "Illegal aliens" out of my panniers a few blocks earlier so, was ready for anything they would throw at me
He directed me to the proctologist's stainless steel table for inspection....and proceeded to tear all my stuff apart. Having found no contraband,
he simply walked away. I followed him and pleasantly asked him to repack my crap....(just for entertainment value). He looked surprised (my
entertainment) and told me he was finished with me and walked away.
I packed my stuff and took a few steps back for a picture.....he then came storming out and bellowed at me that I could not take pictures.
I asked why not. His reply that I could not photograph federal property. I then asked why it was alright to take photos of the White House, Lincoln
Memorial, and such places.
He seemed stumped for a moment before he turned away without answering.
These days I follow the etiquette as best I can....cuz I watch Cops, Border Wars, and Locked Up Abroad a lot on the history channel
My sins of the past don't seem to show up on their computers and I want to keep it that way
I look at border crossings as an adventure and an opportunity to appear to be the man my dog thinks I am |
Funny story man I think that's why I always pack my dirty underwear on top of
my bag. Just to see the reaction
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Nookster
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
I was prepared for the crossing and had dumped the ten kilos of pot and three "Illegal aliens" out of my panniers a few blocks earlier so, was ready for anything they would throw at me
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Reminds of a time I was going north at SY in a ratty old pickup with a shell on the bed and the guard didn't want to get his hands dirty, so he asked
me without looking if I had any illegals in the rear of the truck, to which I replied, "Nah......I use my big truck for that."
He thought that was funny as hell and sent me on my way with a, "Have a nice day."
You never know what to expect, but whatever it is, it should be nice. |
Yeah Dennis, reminds me of a few years back I was crossing SY with some friends on motorcycles and my buddy who's half crazy pulled up and the Officer
asked "are you bringing anything back"? and my friend looks down and puts his hand on his crotch and said "I hope not"! :The officer chuckled and sent him through.
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bajaguy
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The dance
Crossing back into the US is like a dance where you don't know your partner. Let them lead, and just follow. Seems like the people who have problems
try to lead and that results in stepped on toes, - yours - (a verbal blast)....and maybe a kick in your shins (secondary).
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MMc
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Years ago, I wanted to give the god children those foam lizards on a wire, so I send my driving companion for to find some. He comes back so proud
that he scored 15 for $10.00. I only wanted 10. Yes, beer was involved. We pull up to the guard, he asks what we are bringing back as I look over to
my ride along I realize he has bent 2 of the wires so the lizards are hanging from his ears. He says "just some earrings". "Off the secondary"was the
guards response.
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
Border Agents are trained to detect non-verbal responses to their questions, as well as the verbal replies. So, when they are playing mind-reader
Kresgin, they are looking for other clues as to your present level of comfort with their line of questioning.
So, when they ask yo the same question 5 times, they are waiting for the eye-twitch or similar evidence of your status as a terrorist or other type of
undesirable
Ten years ago I was going north at Tecate crossing. I was on a motorcycle that was pleasingly adorned with a month's worth of dust, mud, and
bugs....and had several bottles of Mexican Cointreau....the female agent was starting her job appropriately when a fat guard stormed into her booth
and said, "He's mine!"
I was prepared for the crossing and had dumped the ten kilos of pot and three "Illegal aliens" out of my panniers a few blocks earlier so, was ready for anything they would throw at me
He directed me to the proctologist's stainless steel table for inspection....and proceeded to tear all my stuff apart. Having found no contraband,
he simply walked away. I followed him and pleasantly asked him to repack my crap....(just for entertainment value). He looked surprised (my
entertainment) and told me he was finished with me and walked away.
I packed my stuff and took a few steps back for a picture.....he then came storming out and bellowed at me that I could not take pictures.
I asked why not. His reply that I could not photograph federal property. I then asked why it was alright to take photos of the White House, Lincoln
Memorial, and such places.
He seemed stumped for a moment before he turned away without answering.
These days I follow the etiquette as best I can....cuz I watch Cops, Border Wars, and Locked Up Abroad a lot on the history channel
My sins of the past don't seem to show up on their computers and I want to keep it that way
I look at border crossings as an adventure and an opportunity to appear to be the man my dog thinks I am |
Well, why use the phrase 5 times: "Is that were mostly the gringos live?" after I told him were were camping near San Felipe"... and he asked back "I
don't know where San Felipe is but is it like Mulege or Loreto were all the gringos live?"
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Lee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Well, why use the phrase 5 times: "Is that were mostly the gringos live?" after I told him were were camping near San Felipe"... and he asked back "I
don't know where San Felipe is but is it like Mulege or Loreto were all the gringos live?"
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Yes is always a good answer. No would be making the Agent wrong or confused. There are plenty of posts here indicating the US Agents know
as much, or less, as the MX Agents. Trying to make sense, or worse, logic, out of anything at the Border is mental masturbashion. Something I
know something about.
I don't justify bad behavior from this group. If I were to put myself in their shoes, I'd know they are stressed to the max, a day on the job is
not a good day, the politics from above in trying to stop the flow of guns/drugs/bodies leaves everyone PO'd.
One day, don't hold me to this, there will be a ''Tertiary'' where those who fail Secondary will go. Enjoy the ride and glad you don't work
there.
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
Had a nice chat with a CBP agent at the Otay SENTRI booth who wanted to talk about his house in Lomas Del Mar Ensenada, and where were some really
good places to eat. I pointed him to Muelle 3. |
Really?? Who was that? |
Didn't get his name.......it was the Lomas west of/behind Wal Mart |
??? Lomas means HILLS and there aren't any behind WalMart
Bob Durrell
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bajaguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
Had a nice chat with a CBP agent at the Otay SENTRI booth who wanted to talk about his house in Lomas Del Mar Ensenada, and where were some really
good places to eat. I pointed him to Muelle 3. |
Really?? Who was that? |
Didn't get his name.......it was the Lomas west of/behind Wal Mart |
??? Lomas means HILLS and there aren't any behind WalMart |
Bob....that is the name of the subdivision/area. Get an Ensenada city map and check it out.
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