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All IN ?
I note that the article says the Cessna 208-B has a max capacity of 20 with 14 aboard.
Looking up the specs, I note that it lists Nine or Fourteen (with an F.A.R. part 23 Waiver).
SO, was it at full-capacity or did I miss something ?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
I note that the article says the Cessna 208-B has a max capacity of 20 with 14 aboard.
Looking up the specs, I note that it lists Nine or Fourteen (with an F.A.R. part 23 Waiver).
SO, was it at full-capacity or did I miss something ? |
F.A.R.'s don't count in Mexico
i would imaqgine 14 PAX, baggage and full load of fuel.
Could be a weight & balance issue, mechanical, medical or pilot error.....or a combination.
If Mulege was in the weather, he could have been scud running and have flown into a granite cloud. Trying to maintain a schedule or cut corners is a
recipe fior disaster.
Will have to wait for the recovery and a preliminary report.
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55steve
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
I note that the article says the Cessna 208-B has a max capacity of 20 with 14 aboard.
Looking up the specs, I note that it lists Nine or Fourteen (with an F.A.R. part 23 Waiver).
SO, was it at full-capacity or did I miss something ? |
This is a picture of the plane that is missing - XA-TXM
I was just on this plane (XA-TXM) and it has 14 seats including the pilot. There is NO WAY it could seat 20 people.
[Edited on 10-15-2013 by 55steve]Text
[Edited on 10-15-2013 by 55steve]
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here is the passenger list of the plane. The salt works ESSA has a plane out searching as well as a helicopter from Sinaloa. We should hear more news
soon.
Esther Cota
Evelia López López
Israel Merino Parra
Reyes Moreno Gastelum
Joan Efrain Moreno Medrano
Arturo Pérez Inzunza
Alejandro Rosas
Andrea Rosas
Marco Rosas
Ramona González Armenta
Rosy Ornelas
Carmen Rojas López
Jesús Antonio Cárdenas Torres
José Manuel Duarte
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Santiago
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Do they not carry transponders?
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sit on the bag senor!
| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
I note that the article says the Cessna 208-B has a max capacity of 20 with 14 aboard.
Looking up the specs, I note that it lists Nine or Fourteen (with an F.A.R. part 23 Waiver).
SO, was it at full-capacity or did I miss something ? |
Maybe like the capacity of a Korean bus...One More.( without eau d' kimchee of course)
Or the configuration in Mexico is different than domestic US.
EdZ
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there is no radar coverage where they were going. And 2 hours gas in a 208 is not enough to go from loreto - constitucion - los mochis. They are slow
and chew jet A.
those hills due WSW of Loreto are steep fast. Caravan at gross would likely go around via south 1st. If he hit weather limiting viz he'd need to go
back fast.
they are configured as air taxis for about 15 pax usually. I used to know one of their capts very well before he hit mandatory retirement. He was
Capt. Chavez and used to fly with/for Munoz in the early days.
sorry to read this.
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forgot - yes he had a transponder - but that doesn't mean anything unless he was under ATC [air traffic control] which around those parts ends after
you get 10 miles out of loreto's space and they release you to position reports if IFR or otherwise if VFR, which usually means contact the next tower
when in range or unicom [common advisory freq] if no controller.
Constitucion is uncontrolled plus is only 20-30 min tops time from Loreto. If he didn't make 1st stop there is not a lot of ground to search. Once
you are west of the loreto mtns radio is useless talking to them unless you are way high. He is non pressurized so top would have been 12,000 or so -
they don't want to go that high on short runs to save gas.
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Well, the pilot was neither of the two I have flown with ....Eduardo and Jorge.
Has anyone an update?
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Secretariat of Communications and Transportation (SCT) reported that a plane has been missing trade with 14 passengers took off from town Loreto to
Ciudad Constitution, however, after 25 minutes of flight, was lost from radar. Enrique Avalos, deputy transport of SCT, said the aircraft Aereo
Service Company Guerrero came out at 9:01 hours of this day for Los Mochis, however, would have made a stop in Ciudad Constitucion,
which did not happen so alarms were activated and started a search operation to lead the armed forces. noted that in the Cessna Grand Caravan with
registration XA-TXM board were 13 passengers and one crew, with fuel for two hours of flight. said that so far he had only known strong cloudiness
conditions on the town of Loreto in the take off . During the meeting it was reported that the storm also caused heavy rains since Sunday night,
especially in Los Cabos, and on this day in the municipalities of La Paz and Comondú, causing flooding and some streams, so alerted people to navigate
the roads with caution. The National Water Commission (CNA) reported that the storm was located 215 kilometers southwest of Bahia Magdalena and
recording sustained winds of 95 kilometers per hour and gusts of up to 110. According the forecast until the storm will weaken in the next few hours
when approaching cooler waters, however, is expected to maintain its trajectory toward Comondú township where land may enter as a low pressure and
tomorrow. As a preventive measure classes were suspended on Monday in the municipality of Los Cabos in both shifts, and in the municipality of La Paz
in the afternoon shift. Governor Marcos Covarrubias Villaseñor said to be at the meeting at 19:00 to this day, according to the evolution of the
storm, when determining whether to extend the suspension of classes for other municipalities.
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55steve
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
Well, the pilot was neither of the two I have flown with ....Eduardo and Jorge.
Has anyone an update? |
We flew with Enrique about 3 weeks ago on the very plane that is now missing.
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The fact that they didn't find it with an aerial search today makes me wonder if they could have gone into the drink.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
The fact that they didn't find it with an aerial search today makes me wonder if they could have gone into the drink. |
You need to know the general area where to search, and how to conduct the right kind of search with TRAINED pilots and spotters flying at the right
alltitude...........and it is not easy to find a downed aircraft.
There are many WWII era aircraft crashes in the US that have never been found.
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I received an email this morning from a friend in Loreto who said someone off Agua Verde has reported seeing "an explosion about the time the plane
went missing." No further details.
Three planes, two helicopters and several boats are engaged in the search at this morning.
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According to "Reporteros Sin Fronteras" on COLECTIVO PERICU the Aircraft crash site has been found, 25 kilometers west of Loreto, in the highest part
of the Sierra Giganta. 
The Military are on the way to the site.
"¡Encontraron la avioneta en la sierra!
Fue hallada a 25 kilómetros al oeste de Loreto
Aún no se sabe nada de sus ocupantes
ultima hora 44Loreto, B.C.S.- Reporteros Sin Fronteras está confirmando que a las 9:30 de la mañana de hoy fue encontrada en la parte más alta de la
Sierra de la Giganta el avión de pasajeros de la empresa AeroServicios Guerrero.
Esto es a 25 kilómetros al oeste de la Capital de las Californias en un área inaccesible, pero las coordinadas han sido confirmadas por los
helicópteros de la Armada de México y del Gobierno del Estado de Sinaloa.
Esto es en dirección hacia San Javier.
Al momento no se precisa todavía si hay sobrevivientes del percance, lo que si se aclara es que se trata de un área innaccesible, sin ningún paraje
cercano para que aterricen los helicópteros, por lo que ya se movilizan al sitio las brigadas de tierra de la Armada de México y Ejército Mexicano.
Cualquier nueva noticia se las haremos saber de inmediato.
Colectivo Pericú con avance informativo preliminar de REPORTEROS SIN FRONTERAS."
[Edited on 10-16-2013 by Loretana]
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http://colectivopericu.net/2013/10/16/no-hay-sobrevivientes-...
rescue teams reached the plane and unfortunately there are no survivors...my heart goes out to the families and friends of the victims....so very
tragic.
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DAMN<<<BUMMER!!
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MrBillM
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Well ................
Statistically, Commercial Flying is safer than Auto-Travel.
Or Bus.
Especially a Mexican Bus.
Of course, pulling over in the event Bad Weather is encountered (if that's what occurred) is a bit more complicated.
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Brilliant insight.....
Don't believe everything you think....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Statistically, Commercial Flying is safer than Auto-Travel.
Or Bus.
Especially a Mexican Bus.
Of course, pulling over in the event Bad Weather is encountered (if that's what occurred) is a bit more complicated. |
During my DoD career between 1965 and 2003 (38 years) I flew well over 2 million miles (1.75 on American alone) and have only been down the slide
once. That was on World Airways flight 30 that went into the harbor at Boston's Logan Airport In Jan 1982. Since I was a smoker I was seated in the
back row and only the front of the aircraft went into the water and broke off.
On the other hand in almost 60 years of driving an estimated 900,000 miles I have crashed 4 times, one of which was into an irrigation canal where I
almost drown.
I'll take flying over driving anytime.
www.celebrateboston.com/disasters/world-airways-crash-1982.htm
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