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55steve
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25 k south of Loreto on a straight line between the airports is this face of the Sierra 4400 feet tall. West of Juncalito. This is the pilot's view
(wildly speculated) from 14,000 ft.
'Remote' is a good description. This would not be a good time to be a Private in the Mexican Army on recovery duty. Or any of the poor folks agonizing
over this right now. Perhaps the victims never had a chance to be scared. DEP
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
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comitan
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The paper showed the flight path heading west north west from Loreto?
[Edited on 10-17-2013 by comitan]
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comitan
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Here's the site.
Blue dot Loreto, red dot crash site. green dot rescue team.
http://octavodia.mx/imagenes/2013/10/16/advierte-gobernador-...
[Edited on 10-17-2013 by comitan]
[Edited on 10-17-2013 by comitan]
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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vgabndo
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I'm sure they know what they're talking about. I was going with the information Loretana posted and looking around with Google Earth. It is all rough
country.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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http://octavodia.mx/articulo/46368/comienza-rescate-de-cuerp...
https://twitter.com/gruizesp/statuses/390510987356291072
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/missing-pla...
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Really sorry to hear about this. That was a nice aircraft. Should have been able to bring everyone home safely. The Pratt and Whitney PT6 has like a
99.9% reliabilty rating. Condolences to the families. Sad day for Baja.
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fishbuck
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CFIT? Microburst? Downdraft?
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-24556858
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Cause of Aircraft Accident Loreto
From the location of this Accident it appears that the Cause maybe be as follow;
At the time the Aircraft took off from Loreto very High Winds were blowing across the mountains from the West.
When the Winds are like this it creates Stron Downdrafts, WindShears and a condition known as a "Wave condition" and Roter Zones.
For any Pilots i Strongly suggest getting the book "Exploring the Monster' and learn about flying into these types of Conditions.
The Glider Pilots out of Bishop Calif use these Roter Zones to get into and go to 30,000 Feet.
My condolences to the Falilies
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Does this mean they have a general location of the wreckage. Last I heard was an explosion down by Auga Verde.
Mike
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The Location is about 25 miles West of Loreto and into the side of a Mountain. Photos are around and they are recovering the Bodies at this time.
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Thanks Skeet!!!! Sorry for the loss of life, and thankful for the quick find and recovery.
Mike
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MEXICO CITY, Oct 16 (Reuters) - Mexican officials in the
northwestern Baja California peninsula said on Wednesday they
had found the remains of a small aircraft that went missing on
Monday, and said all 14 people aboard were killed.
"Sadly there are no survivors," Communications and Transport
Minister Gerardo Ruiz said in a tweet.
The 20-seater plane, operated by private company Aereo
Servicio Guerrero, went missing on Monday morning after setting
off from Loreto International Airport headed for Ciudad
Constitucion.
Aereo Servicio Guerrero did not reply to requests for
comment.
Poor weather from Tropical Storm Octave had hampered the
search for the plane.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-rt-mexico-plane-20131014,0,5550723.story
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Clearly the pilot was trying to go direct which meant climbing over the granite west of Loreto - bad choice, sorry - but with strong winds from the
west that meant very strong rotors and downdrafts on the lee side. Even the power of the Pratt PT6 could not allow a climb and before he could turn
around he was doomed.
Well it happens. Very sorry. Ma nature rules.....
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Skeet is right on here.
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Those who need to Read .................
Should have paid closer attention during flight training.
Where the Phenomena were (or should have been) covered fairly well.
I would seriously doubt that most pilots who become victims fly into said situations unaware. Rather, they THINK they have the
ability to overcome a mishap.
Steve Fossett comes to mind.
And, one of my boyhood heroes, Scott Crossfield, who was an outstanding pilot. Granted, he was fairly old at the time he (against advice) flew into a
storm situation.
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Short hop. a Twenty seat A/C is not a small plane. ........
If there shall be war, let it start here.
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I heard last night that an entire family from Santa Rosalia were on that flight and were going to the Grandfathers funeral. I think there were 3
children as well as both parents.
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Only 3 total unless they had different last names
| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
I heard last night that an entire family from Santa Rosalia were on that flight and were going to the Grandfathers funeral. I think there were 3
children as well as both parents. |
Alejandro Rosas
Andrea Rosas
Marco Rosas
[Edited on 10-18-2013 by durrelllrobert]
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