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[*] posted on 10-16-2013 at 11:51 AM


Crap....
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[*] posted on 10-16-2013 at 06:11 PM


25 k south of Loreto on a straight line between the airports is this face of the Sierra 4400 feet tall. West of Juncalito. This is the pilot's view (wildly speculated) from 14,000 ft.



'Remote' is a good description. This would not be a good time to be a Private in the Mexican Army on recovery duty. Or any of the poor folks agonizing over this right now. Perhaps the victims never had a chance to be scared. DEP




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[*] posted on 10-16-2013 at 06:58 PM


The paper showed the flight path heading west north west from Loreto?

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[*] posted on 10-16-2013 at 07:00 PM


Here's the site.

Blue dot Loreto, red dot crash site. green dot rescue team.
http://octavodia.mx/imagenes/2013/10/16/advierte-gobernador-...

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[*] posted on 10-16-2013 at 07:35 PM


I'm sure they know what they're talking about. I was going with the information Loretana posted and looking around with Google Earth. It is all rough country.



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[*] posted on 10-16-2013 at 07:53 PM


http://octavodia.mx/articulo/46368/comienza-rescate-de-cuerp...

https://twitter.com/gruizesp/statuses/390510987356291072

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/missing-pla...

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[*] posted on 10-16-2013 at 07:55 PM


Really sorry to hear about this. That was a nice aircraft. Should have been able to bring everyone home safely. The Pratt and Whitney PT6 has like a 99.9% reliabilty rating. Condolences to the families. Sad day for Baja.



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[*] posted on 10-16-2013 at 07:59 PM


CFIT? Microburst? Downdraft?


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http://octavodia.mx/articulo/46368/comienza-rescate-de-cuerp...

https://twitter.com/gruizesp/statuses/390510987356291072

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/missing-pla...




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[*] posted on 10-16-2013 at 08:34 PM


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-24556858



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[*] posted on 10-17-2013 at 07:30 AM
Cause of Aircraft Accident Loreto


From the location of this Accident it appears that the Cause maybe be as follow;

At the time the Aircraft took off from Loreto very High Winds were blowing across the mountains from the West.
When the Winds are like this it creates Stron Downdrafts, WindShears and a condition known as a "Wave condition" and Roter Zones.

For any Pilots i Strongly suggest getting the book "Exploring the Monster' and learn about flying into these types of Conditions.

The Glider Pilots out of Bishop Calif use these Roter Zones to get into and go to 30,000 Feet.

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[*] posted on 10-17-2013 at 07:38 AM


Does this mean they have a general location of the wreckage. Last I heard was an explosion down by Auga Verde.

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[*] posted on 10-17-2013 at 07:43 AM


The Location is about 25 miles West of Loreto and into the side of a Mountain. Photos are around and they are recovering the Bodies at this time.
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[*] posted on 10-17-2013 at 07:58 AM


Thanks Skeet!!!! Sorry for the loss of life, and thankful for the quick find and recovery.

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[*] posted on 10-17-2013 at 08:44 AM


MEXICO CITY, Oct 16 (Reuters) - Mexican officials in the
northwestern Baja California peninsula said on Wednesday they


had found the remains of a small aircraft that went missing on
Monday, and said all 14 people aboard were killed.

"Sadly there are no survivors," Communications and Transport
Minister Gerardo Ruiz said in a tweet.

The 20-seater plane, operated by private company Aereo
Servicio Guerrero, went missing on Monday morning after setting
off from Loreto International Airport headed for Ciudad
Constitucion.

Aereo Servicio Guerrero did not reply to requests for
comment.

Poor weather from Tropical Storm Octave had hampered the
search for the plane.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-rt-mexico-plane-20131014,0,5550723.story




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[*] posted on 10-17-2013 at 04:18 PM


Clearly the pilot was trying to go direct which meant climbing over the granite west of Loreto - bad choice, sorry - but with strong winds from the west that meant very strong rotors and downdrafts on the lee side. Even the power of the Pratt PT6 could not allow a climb and before he could turn around he was doomed.

Well it happens. Very sorry. Ma nature rules.....




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Skeet is right on here.



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[*] posted on 10-17-2013 at 06:30 PM
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Should have paid closer attention during flight training.

Where the Phenomena were (or should have been) covered fairly well.

I would seriously doubt that most pilots who become victims fly into said situations unaware. Rather, they THINK they have the ability to overcome a mishap.

Steve Fossett comes to mind.

And, one of my boyhood heroes, Scott Crossfield, who was an outstanding pilot. Granted, he was fairly old at the time he (against advice) flew into a storm situation.
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[*] posted on 10-17-2013 at 09:45 PM


Short hop. a Twenty seat A/C is not a small plane. ........



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[*] posted on 10-18-2013 at 07:01 AM


I heard last night that an entire family from Santa Rosalia were on that flight and were going to the Grandfathers funeral. I think there were 3 children as well as both parents.



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[*] posted on 10-18-2013 at 09:48 AM
Only 3 total unless they had different last names


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I heard last night that an entire family from Santa Rosalia were on that flight and were going to the Grandfathers funeral. I think there were 3 children as well as both parents.


Alejandro Rosas
Andrea Rosas
Marco Rosas

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