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| Synopsis of New Baja Driving Laws 
 
 From bajainsider.com
 
 http://www.bajainsider.com/driving-baja/gaspricesmexico.htm#...
 
 1) As of January 1, 2012 Proof of liability insurance is required in Baja California
 
 2) As of January 1, 2011 Talking on a cell phone while driving is illegal in both Baja California and Baja California Sur it is a +$800 pesos fine in
BCS.
 
 3) Use of Seatbelts is required in both states.
 
 4) As of October 1, 2013, proof of liability insurance will be required in Baja California Sur. The fine will be about $2600 pesos.
 
 5) Pets must be caged or restrained when in a passenger vehicle. It will be applied as an 'add-on' ticket. The fine is about $2000 pesos.
 
 
 
 
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| rts551 
 
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 does anyone know what restrained means
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| EdZeranski 
 
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| Wait a minute...... 
 
 
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 5) Pets must be caged or restrained when in a passenger vehicle. It will be applied as an 'add-on' ticket. The fine is about $2000 pesos.
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 Lets get this straight......Las Mascotas have to be boxed or on a leash or its about $200 but Juan and Juanita can still run stop signs???? How many
'locals' even own a leash or kennel?
   This must have been ginned up by the Offacina de Mordita
 for travelers.
 EdZ (who does have a kennel in the EEvil Ess Yew Vee)
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| SAY WHJAT ??? 
 
 Did the usa loan some gov guys to mex or what !! give me a Break !!! dogs must be caged ? @##$$%%**& or restrained...such like how...a strip of
2lb trout line...How the Hell is this gonna play out????
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 The liability insurance requirement only applies to federal highways so it will still be perfectly legal to drive in the cities and towns without it,
so at least the local transito cops won't be able to use the law as a revenue enhancement program. The rumor is that the Federal de Caminos are
planning on setting up checkpoints and impounding cars without insurance. If that's the case, they will be very busy because I can't foresee many of
the locals around here shelling out 3000 pesos annually for insurance. I just coughed up almost a thousand dollars last week for insurance on 3
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| EdZeranski 
 
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| laws for not for me, well, me in general 
 
 
 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by monoloco I can't foresee many of the locals around here shelling out 3000 pesos annually for insurance. I just coughed up almost a thousand dollars last week
for insurance on 3 vehicles. [/quote
 
 I've been getting insurance, fishing license, visa etc through Discover Baja for eons ( as opposed to epochs and ages) to go with the Mexican law. I
wish Mexicans going to the US had the same courtesy, they don't, instead smug just disrespect.
 
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 whoa....I estimate 95% of the locals dont have insurance and wouldnt be able to afford it...mexicanos dont usually have their pets in the cars except
in the back of pick ups once in awhile....that's a big fine!
 
 
 
 
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| Riom 
 
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 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by monoloco The liability insurance requirement only applies to federal highways so it will still be perfectly legal to drive in the cities and towns without it,
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 In Baja California (norte) at least it's a state law that applies to all roads (but not to entirely off-road vehicles).  In the LEY QUE REGULA LOS SERVICIOS DE CONTROL VEHICULAR EN EL ESTADO DE BAJA CALIFORNIA (pdf, in Spanish, updated to 15 Mar 2013) it's in section 17 IV.
 
 Section 18 bis says that the minimum liability insurance is 4350 minimum wages (about 280,000 pesos).  And the requirement for liability insurance
can't be enforced if it's not possible to get liability insurance from any company for less than 15 minimum wages (about 975 pesos/year).  So there
should be companies offering it for less than that, if it's now enforced.  Note that you have 30 days to get insurance after a first warning, before
any fine.  These are state laws, maybe there are federal laws on top.
 
 In San Felipe I needed proof of insurance to be able to renew my plates, in both January 2012 and January 2013, but no vehicle inspections (yet).
 
 So it's fairly easy to see who has valid insurance - they have valid plates.
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| bajaguy 
 
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 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by captkw Did the usa loan some gov guys to mex or what !! give me a Break !!! dogs must be caged ? @##$$%%**& or restrained...such like how...a strip of
2lb trout line...How the Hell is this gonna play out????
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 Maybe some of the laws from the nanny State (California) leaked south into Baja.......however
 
 1. Having mandatory insurance is a good idea, even if the other guy doesn't.
 
 2. Talking or texting on a phone while driving is dangerous and causes accidents.
 
 3. Seatbelts save lives....been there, done that.
 
 4. Restrained (doggie seat belts) or caged (travel kennel) pets are a good idea....I like my pets more than some people I know and my dog is my best
friend......protect them.
 
 These laws are a good idea, so go with it........at least they have not restricted soda pop to 16 ounces or installed red light cameras.....YET
 
 
 
 
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 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by bajaguy 
 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by captkw Did the usa loan some gov guys to mex or what !! give me a Break !!! dogs must be caged ? @##$$%%**& or restrained...such like how...a strip of
2lb trout line...How the Hell is this gonna play out????
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 Maybe some of the laws from the nanny State (California) leaked south into Baja.......however
 
 1. Having mandatory insurance is a good idea, even if the other guy doesn't.
 
 2. Talking or texting on a phone while driving is dangerous and causes accidents.
 
 3. Seatbelts save lives....been there, done that.
 
 4. Restrained (doggie seat belts) or caged (travel kennel) pets are a good idea....I like my pets more than some people I know and my dog is my best
friend......protect them.
 
 These laws are a good idea, so go with it........at least they have not restricted soda pop to 16 ounces or installed red light cameras.....YET
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 What is wrong with "red light cameras"??  I think it is a great idea, and a proven revenue-provider for the city!?!?!?!?
 
 NO WAY would I EVER comply with your number 4 tho.
  tho I do think
that dogs should be restrained in the back of a pickup as many don't have the sense not to jump out----(seen it happen) 
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 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by monoloco If that's the case, they will be very busy because I can't foresee many of the locals around here shelling out 3000 pesos annually for insurance
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 I would think, remember reading some 90% of Mex
 Nationals don't have auto ins., by the way, can one
 turn right on a red lite in Mex?
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| jimgrms 
 
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 I know people like that| Quote: |  | Originally p] tho I do think that dogs should be restrained in the back of a pickup as many don't have the sense not to jump out----(seen it happen)
 
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 Red light cameras would be good if they were actually used to make the road safer, but they mostly raise revenue from exorbitant fines for making a
right turn on a red without coming to a complete stop, which IMO shouldn't carry the same fine as blasting through an intersection on a red.
 
 
 
 
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 sancho,
 In answer to your question, "...can one turn right on a red lite in Mex?"
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_turn_on_red
 In Mexico, right turns on red are generally prohibited unless a sign indicates otherwise, and motorists can be issued a citation for noncompliance.[5]
However, right turns on red are allowed in Mexico City.[6]
 
 
 http://www.rosaritoinfo.com/legal.htm
 In Mexico, it is illegal to make a right turn on a red light.
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| Barry A. 
 
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 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by monoloco Red light cameras would be good if they were actually used to make the road safer, but they mostly raise revenue from exorbitant fines for making a
right turn on a red without coming to a complete stop, which IMO shouldn't carry the same fine as blasting through an intersection on a red.
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 Well, it's hard to argue with you on THAT, but in Redding the intersections with "red light cameras" are so obvious that one would have to be really
not paying attention to not notice them.  (Alert:  when you see a camera, don't act careless or be in a hurry----:light
  
 
  
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 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by Maderita In Mexico, right turns on red are generally prohibited unless a sign indicates otherwise
 http://www.rosaritoinfo.com/legal.htm
 In Mexico, it is illegal to make a right turn on a red light.
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 Gracias, I didn't know that
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| bajaguy 
 
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 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by monoloco Red light cameras would be good if they were actually used to make the road safer, but they mostly raise revenue from exorbitant fines for making a
right turn on a red without coming to a complete stop, which IMO shouldn't carry the same fine as blasting through an intersection on a red.
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 Well, it's hard to argue with you on THAT, but in Redding the intersections with "red light cameras" are so obvious that one would have to be really
not paying attention to not notice them.  (Alert:  when you see a camera, don't act careless or be in a hurry----:light
  
 
  
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 Many jurisdictions are doing away with the red light cameras. Problems with the operators (private companies), lost court cases and an increase in
rear end accidents. Latest city in this area to dump them is Poway, CA
 
 
 
 
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 Hmmmmm, I say better a "rear end accident" than being T-boned in the middle of an intersection--------I have had so many close calls by people in la
la land and speeding thru intersections-------I won't even enter any intersection anymore without slowing way down and looking both ways (and in my
rear view mirror)-----I am surprised I have not been "rear ended".  I keep my head rest up high and touching my head.
 
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 Barry.....get a bigger truck with an aftermarket steel step bumper.......they work wonders
   
 
 
 
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 If they are in "la la" land,  I doubt a camera will help. Tucson is looking at moving theirs around.  It became nothing more than a revenue generator
and as people get used to them,  the revenue goes down.
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