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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
If they are in "la la" land, I doubt a camera will help. Tucson is looking at moving theirs around. It became nothing more than a revenue generator
and as people get used to them, the revenue goes down. |
Ah Ha!!!!!! You say, "-----as they get used to them, the revenue goes down"--------they are working then! If the "revenue goes down" then there are
less and less folks running the red lights at those intersections. Viola------ success!!!!!!!  
Barry
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bajaguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Ah Ha!!!!!! You say, "-----as they get used to them, the revenue goes down"--------they are working then! If the "revenue goes down" then there are
less and less folks running the red lights at those intersections. Viola------ success!!!!!!! Barry |
Many cities are finding that the private contractors are costing them money. Revenue streams guaranteed by the contractor for violations are not what
was promised. Photos that do not show the driver clear enough to identify, cities paying overtime for police to testify that the photo/vehicle matched
the driver and cases being dismissed in court when a match cannot be made or when the registered owner (not the driver) can prove they were somewhere
else....(registered owners do not have to give up the identy of the driver) are a burden to cash strapped cities
[Edited on 10-18-2013 by bajaguy]
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Ah Ha!!!!!! You say, "-----as they get used to them, the revenue goes down"--------they are working then! If the "revenue goes down" then there are
less and less folks running the red lights at those intersections. Viola------ success!!!!!!! Barry |
Many cities are finding that the private contractors are costing them money. Revenue streams guaranteed by the contractor for violations are not what
was promised. Photos that do not show the driver clear enough to identify, cities paying overtime for police to testify that the photo/vehicle matched
the driver and cases being dismissed in court when a match cannot be made or when the registered owner (not the driver) can prove they were somewhere
else....(registered owners do not have to give up the identy of the driver) are a burden to cash strapped cities
[Edited on 10-18-2013 by bajaguy] |
I'm confused----------are the cities trying to cure their citizens from running red lights, or are they just greedy? (probably both!?!?!?)
Barry
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bajaguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Ah Ha!!!!!! You say, "-----as they get used to them, the revenue goes down"--------they are working then! If the "revenue goes down" then there are
less and less folks running the red lights at those intersections. Viola------ success!!!!!!! Barry |
Many cities are finding that the private contractors are costing them money. Revenue streams guaranteed by the contractor for violations are not what
was promised. Photos that do not show the driver clear enough to identify, cities paying overtime for police to testify that the photo/vehicle matched
the driver and cases being dismissed in court when a match cannot be made or when the registered owner (not the driver) can prove they were somewhere
else....(registered owners do not have to give up the identy of the driver) are a burden to cash strapped cities
[Edited on 10-18-2013 by bajaguy] |
I'm confused----------are the cities trying to cure their citizens from running red lights, or are they just greedy? (probably both!?!?!?)Barry
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The cops I know want to reduce accidents, but the politicians want the revenue
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Ah Ha!!!!!! You say, "-----as they get used to them, the revenue goes down"--------they are working then! If the "revenue goes down" then there are
less and less folks running the red lights at those intersections. Viola------ success!!!!!!! Barry |
Many cities are finding that the private contractors are costing them money. Revenue streams guaranteed by the contractor for violations are not what
was promised. Photos that do not show the driver clear enough to identify, cities paying overtime for police to testify that the photo/vehicle matched
the driver and cases being dismissed in court when a match cannot be made or when the registered owner (not the driver) can prove they were somewhere
else....(registered owners do not have to give up the identy of the driver) are a burden to cash strapped cities
[Edited on 10-18-2013 by bajaguy] |
I'm confused----------are the cities trying to cure their citizens from running red lights, or are they just greedy? (probably both!?!?!?)Barry
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The cops I know want to reduce accidents, but the politicians want the revenue |
reducing accidents AND raising revenue from sinners and incompetent drivers - both good ideas!
ya know, if you don't drive like a dufus you won't get a ticket!
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bajaguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Ah Ha!!!!!! You say, "-----as they get used to them, the revenue goes down"--------they are working then! If the "revenue goes down" then there are
less and less folks running the red lights at those intersections. Viola------ success!!!!!!! Barry |
Many cities are finding that the private contractors are costing them money. Revenue streams guaranteed by the contractor for violations are not what
was promised. Photos that do not show the driver clear enough to identify, cities paying overtime for police to testify that the photo/vehicle matched
the driver and cases being dismissed in court when a match cannot be made or when the registered owner (not the driver) can prove they were somewhere
else....(registered owners do not have to give up the identy of the driver) are a burden to cash strapped cities
[Edited on 10-18-2013 by bajaguy] |
I'm confused----------are the cities trying to cure their citizens from running red lights, or are they just greedy? (probably both!?!?!?)Barry
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The cops I know want to reduce accidents, but the politicians want the revenue |
reducing accidents AND raising revenue from sinners and incompetent drivers - both good ideas!
ya know, if you don't drive like a dufus you won't get a ticket! |
Revenue stream is down, rear end accidents are up
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Barry A.
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So, BajaGuy-------should we go back to the way it was???? (little revenue, and lots of bad T-bone accidents)
I don't want to.
Barry
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bajaguy
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Don't shoot me, I'm just the messinger.
In my day we used directed enforcement.....that was before the cameras.....never had a problem in reducing accidents, speed enforcement or criminal
activity.
Now we have automation and community policing.......touchy-feely.
Most law enforcement I see today have their windows rolled up and a cell phone glued to their ear.
Policework should be about reducing crime and traffic safety, not making money
[Edited on 10-18-2013 by bajaguy]
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Barry A.
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Sorry, I did not mean to come off that way. I largely agree with you, and as an ex-San Diego cop (in the '60's) I know what you mean. I just think
the cameras help-----I know that I sure pay attention to them and am extra careful, especially on those "right on red" situations.
Barry
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MitchMan
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I got stabbed in the pocket by those intersection cameras twice. Infuriated me for having to pay so much for a very safe "California" very slow
rolling (non stop) right turn on a red light. Very unjust to get capped with a "moving violation" and upping your auto insurance for three years as
well.
Those camera things were installed to prevent fast cars going thru red lights, not intended for the slow rolling right turn on a red light. But, they
took the low road and went for the money. Money certainly can have a greedy corrupting influence. Not right.
However, the good thing now is that I stop for 3 seconds at all red lights before turning right, no matter what posted signs say, I then look hard and
long for the existence of cameras and any signage that prohibits right turns before proceeding. peees the hell out of most all drivers behind me
wanting to turn right. But, I'm not getting any more of those dam tickets.
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liknbaja127
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I think bajaguy is spot on! In your area they are all most all gone!
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durrelllrobert
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directed enforcement.....???
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
Don't shoot me, I'm just the messinger.
In my day we used directed enforcement.....that was before the cameras.....never had a problem in reducing accidents, speed enforcement or criminal
activity.
Now we have automation and community policing.......touchy-feely.
Most law enforcement I see today have their windows rolled up and a cell phone glued to their ear.
Policework should be about reducing crime and traffic safety, not making money
[Edited on 10-18-2013 by bajaguy] |
A couple years ago I was on my way to a meeting at the Air Force Academy
in Colorado Springs and came to an intersection where I had to turn left. There was a motorcycle cop parked on the right hand shoulder but the green
arrow for turning left was on. There was a box van in front of me and I followed him into the intersection but half way through the truck "stalled"
and when the light turned red he took off again and I followed. Sure enough the motorcycle cop put on his lights, pulled me over and issued a ticket
for running a red light.
After my meeting Went back the same way and noticed the same cop and the same box van at the intersection. After turning right I parked off the road
and witnessed the same "stalled" van, red light ticket scenario with another car. Then a few minutes later the van and cop reappeared and caught
another victim.
I called the local court to inform them about what was happening and was told that I either had to plead guilty and pay a $250 fine or come back in 30
days to plead not guilty and explain the situation then. Since an airline ticket/ hotel amounted to a lot more than $250 I went for the guilty plea.
Bob Durrell
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MitchMan
I got stabbed in the pocket by those intersection cameras twice. Infuriated me for having to pay so much for a very safe "California" very slow
rolling (non stop) right turn on a red light. Very unjust to get capped with a "moving violation" and upping your auto insurance for three years as
well.
Those camera things were installed to prevent fast cars going thru red lights, not intended for the slow rolling right turn on a red light. But, they
took the low road and went for the money. Money certainly can have a greedy corrupting influence. Not right.
However, the good thing now is that I stop for 3 seconds at all red lights before turning right, no matter what posted signs say, I then look hard and
long for the existence of cameras and any signage that prohibits right turns before proceeding. peees the hell out of most all drivers behind me
wanting to turn right. But, I'm not getting any more of those dam tickets.
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You will also get a ticket if you enter the intersection (pass the white line) and then stop and wait for the green (or back-up). It takes your
picture the minute you enter the intersection at anytime during a red.
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My wife got a $500 ticket in Oceanside for not coming to a complete stop before turning right. I saw the video if it. She must've been going .0001
MPH but still - $500. Utter and total BS. Maybe $100, but not $500. I could afford to pay it, but if I was 19 that would've put me in debt.
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robert
That is SOO Wrong !! I would have gone to kmart/walmart anywhere close by and got a camara and starting shooting ( not that way !!)
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