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DanO
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajamatic
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That place is indeed THE GRINDS. You'd have to add PEPE'S to that list, though.
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Haven't been to Pepe's but I drove past it last weekend on my way to my storage locker. Will have to check it out.
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Bajahowodd
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The simple fact is that in years gone by, the only evident representatives of the gay community were the those flamboyant, over the top folks such as
Ru Paul.
What has happened over the past decade, one by one, courageous gays have come out publicly. Simple fact is there are gay doctors, scientists,
teachers, actors, legislators, business leaders and what not. The past decade has witnessed the coming out of so many closeted gays who all along have
been working hard for the betterment of society. Once the average person was able to digest what just happened, they became much more tolerant.
For the record, I am only three years younger than Dennis, and married to a woman. but I have, for a really long time, been saddened by the
discrimination that has existed.
Gay people absolutely are no threat to anyone in our society.
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DavidE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Years back, and I've been told not much has changed, Santa Rosalia was like a Poodle Show. Prissy little men prancing around
everywhere.....especially at the hotel.
I'm also told that Mulege has taken their overload and now they're sashaying all over the place there.
Jeeezo....there goes the species. Sea turtles will make a comeback and take over the Baja. 
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Yeah, when a guy hears a baritone voice behind him exclaim "Ooooo you got such a cute toosh" it sorta takes the bloom off the rose.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
The simple fact is that in years gone by, the only evident representatives of the gay community were the those flamboyant, over the top folks such as
Ru Paul.
What has happened over the past decade, one by one, courageous gays have come out publicly. Simple fact is there are gay doctors, scientists,
teachers, actors, legislators, business leaders and what not. The past decade has witnessed the coming out of so many closeted gays who all along have
been working hard for the betterment of society. Once the average person was able to digest what just happened, they became much more tolerant.
For the record, I am only three years younger than Dennis, and married to a woman. but I have, for a really long time, been saddened by the
discrimination that has existed.
Gay people absolutely are no threat to anyone in our society. |
I agree totally with you, Howard, however as always there ARE consequences for the way one acts and what one says, in ANY society. There are some
things that it is just better to keep mostly to yourselves, less you experience consequences not to your liking or comfort. It is just the way it is
with humans, IMO. Try and force an issue on others usually causes resentment, and / or worse, sadly.
Like USA citizens trying to force change on Mexican Society, it ususally doesn't work, and in fact often backfires.
Just my opinion and observations, of course.
Barry
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motoged
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
.....Like USA citizens trying to force change on Mexican Society, it ususally doesn't work, and in fact often backfires....Barry
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Yes, such is the outcome of such "foreign policy"...
Don't believe everything you think....
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Bajahowodd
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First, as for Barry's comments, it appears to me that equality is winning. As I mentioned in my prior post, there are innumerable gay folk who are
living their lives, raising children and working positively in their communities.
I was once considered to be a hippie. I actually was in the march from Selma to Montgomery, having rode on a bus from Georgetown. And yes, Bill
Clinton was a classmate of mine. My point is that from a very young age, I have always advocated equal treatment for all.
Again, I want to say that the flamboyant types that were once the face of the queer community, are an infinitesimal amount.
That said, I consider Dennis a friend. He is smart, and funny. And in no way was anything that I have posted to be considered a diss of Dennis. He is
a stand up fellow.
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bledito
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wasn,t it HIV that was rampant in the gay community some years ago, and is still prevalent today. that is a threat.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
And in no way was anything that I have posted to be considered a diss of Dennis. He is a stand up fellow. |
Thanks, amigo mio.
OK.....I'll pay for the movie, but you have to pony up for the popcorn.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bledito
wasn,t it HIV that was rampant in the gay community some years ago, and is still prevalent today. that is a threat. |
Seems to be under control for those who are concerned. Certainly not the scourge it was in the 60s and 70s.
It continues to be , as you say, a threat.....not only for gays.
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Bajamatic
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Show me the truth. I want to know the truth. Give me a reference that isn't written and supported by rainbow flag wavers.
Since you know, as you say, I have no clue,.....that means you must. Put it up here....or forever hold your peace
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The burden of proof lies on you. I didn't make the statement that they are born one way or another. I said you don't have a clue, being a
heterosexual. I'm simply pointing out that your argument is kinda hypocritical; Simply stating that there is no proof to the contrary isn't the
equivalent of proving your own argument.
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DavidE
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Yeah Aids Has Made Doctor Appointments So Much More Fun These Days
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Bajamatic
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DanO
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajamatic
| Quote: | | CULVER CITY - Tacomiendo |
That place is indeed THE GRINDS. You'd have to add PEPE'S to that list, though.
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Haven't been to Pepe's but I drove past it last weekend on my way to my storage locker. Will have to check it out. |
Oh you have to try the Al Pastor. I believe it's the SECOND best authentic taco joint in L.A. #1 being Ricky's Fish Tacos in chinatown.
Also of great importance up here is Guerrilla Tacos. DO NOT MISS THAT! He's in Culver City in the mornings but you have to look him up on twitter to
find out where.
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Bajamatic
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I withdraw from this debate with one last entry. As it stands today, aside from the testimony of people who are gay (which pretty much rules out any
and all expertise on the matter) there exists really only one study, but I doubt if you will consider it proof enough to change your mind - so be it.
Here's the link regardless. I find it interesting that the gene happens to be called the "fuc-m" gene.
http://scienceblogs.com/neurophilosophy/2010/07/15/researche...
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajamatic
I withdraw from this debate with one last entry. As it stands today, aside from the testimony of people who are gay (which pretty much rules out any
and all expertise on the matter) there exists really only one study, but I doubt if you will consider it proof enough to change your mind - so be it.
Here's the link regardless. I find it interesting that the gene happens to be called the "fuc-m" gene.
http://scienceblogs.com/neurophilosophy/2010/07/15/researche... |
Lesbian mice? Butch bats? Rodents in flannel shirts? 
Ohhhmygawd. I'm done here.
Thanks for the entertainment.
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Kgryfon
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"Not for nothing does the term "Breeders" exist."
Yes, and where do you think all the gay people are coming from? Hatched? The breeders are breeding. Some of their children are gay. Fact of life.
Always has been. Accept it and move on.
Gay people don't breed gay people. 
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JoeJustJoe
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I don't know about the tolerance in Baja, but the tolerance on "Baja Nomad" seems to be pretty much non-existent, except for a few enlightened
members.
I think I know why. I already discussed that according to polls, on average the older you are the more intolerant you are towards gays, and the
younger you are the more accepting you are towards gays, and this is so for a variety of reasons that I'm not going to go into right now.
However there is something else that may be going on here, and it has to do with homophobia,homosexual arousal, and a well known study that was done
many years ago, and has since been duplicated many times over and over again.
It would seem that so-called straight men that show hostility or homophobic views towards gays, that they themselves are consciously or unconsciously
sexually attracted to the same sex or other men!
When the tolerant straight men look at pictures of naked men, there is no reaction, and no homosexual arousal, however when the homophobes looks at
pictures of naked men, their bodies show signs of sexual arousal. They are getting turned on if they admit it or not. The guys with the live and let
life attitude show no sexual response to pictures of naked men, and really could care less with what gays do in their lives.
It's pretty obvious the homophobes have latent sexual same-sex desires and they lash out against gays, because they are feeling very uncomfortable
around gays, or in other words they are getting hot and bothered. They may also strike out against gays to hide their same-sex desires from
themselves and others. It's as if they're saying, "look if I hate gays, bash gays, and says things like, " They are shoving their life style down our
throats." The homophobe might really be thinking about something else going down his throat.
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Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?
The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual
individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n = 35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned to groups on
the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson & W. A. Ricketts, 1980). The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic
stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were monitored. They also completed
an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss & M. Perry, 1992). Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female
homosexual videos. Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression.
Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.
http://www.rationalskepticism.org/general-science/is-homopho...
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DavidE
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Wimmins?
Yeah I saw that too in that four hour stretch in Fran Sasisco. Pairs of 'em. You could tell immediately cause one of 'em was always uglier than a mile
of mud fence.
Mexico may tolerate gays but the less militant ones that I have listened at want to go north of the border. Mostly to Hollyweird. Gays get beat up in
Mexico and the cops just laugh at them. México does not send out a federal task force armed with warrants to arrest the culprits. When I encountered
people of lifestyle X down here they were absolutely nowhere as near militant obnoxious and flagrant with social gaffs as their counterparts north of
the rio bravo.
But gay friendly? Ah c'mon. It's "yeah I'm really a retired CIA agent" time. What really disgusts me is the fact that people make up the wildest most
outrageous stories about this country and there is always a waiting audience of customers that absorb their krap as gospel simply because "After All
We Talking About Mexico Here!"
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"..........I don't know about the tolerance in Baja, but the tolerance on "Baja Nomad" seems to be pretty much non-existent, except for a few
enlightened members.
I agree with Joe here...........there is a lot of anti garbage going on.
Mexico has always had gay clubs. This is nothing new. Advertising such a club might be a new trend however. I suppose the Mexican old timers may have
an issue with the gay/lesbian lifestyle...........such as the old timers of America. Old traditional families are accepting the changes......have been
for many decades.
Advertising a gay club can bring negative responses to the front door.....from the few that are blinded by bias and outright racist thoughts embedded
in their tiny brain. Is it worthy to go public of such a establishment in Mexico? Absolutely. The same question was asked in the United States not too
long ago. Most Mexican citizens do accept or couldn't care less about these clubs/establishments......such as it is with the United States citizens
......and many other countries.
The subject about the flamboyant folks, over the top folks such as Ru Paul..........I'll say this much about it: In the 1980's and 90's, I built and
operated corner bars to Night Clubs. Three of these locations were opened for the gay community. One in Sacramento....the others in downtown San
Francisco. MOST gay/lesbian folks do not accept the flamboyant crowd. They do not accept the outrages over the cliff behaviors.
Gay and lesbian couples (and singles) live a life style such as their counterparts....the straights. This is where the clubs and other establishments
that advertise their business......makes their money......from the non drama queen crowd. This is why advertising such places in Mexican....will be
accepted.
Just my two cents worth from a long experience...........
[Edited on 11-8-2013 by mcfez]
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I don't believe homosexuals are born as such. I believe everybody is a product of their environment.
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How do you explain the cases of twins where one is gay and one is straight?
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Chupacabra
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Simple fact is there are gay doctors, scientists, teachers, actors, legislators, business leaders and what not. |
Also at least one construction worker, cowboy, cop, indian, sailor, and biker.
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