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DawnPatrol
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Bringing a Baja-built ATV trailer back North, forsee problems?
A friend in San Quintin is building me a flatbed trailer for me that will serve as both a car carrier and/or ATV carrier.
All he has into it is around $300 for the frame & axles. I have supplied US parts like the tires, rims, spindles, bearings, lights, disc brake
kit, etc...
When I come north (Tecate gate) do I declare the $300 value ? I will have a receipt. I will also show the receipts for the US parts if need be.
I will have a CA DMV temporary operating permit to be able to take it to the DMV to get inspected and issued a VIN# & CA plates.
Forsee any problems?
Doing it this way is savings big bucks.....
Thanks in advance. been a long time lurker of the board, just registered. Been all over baja many many times....
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Bob and Susan
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you really need to talk to someone at the border FIRST!!!
there could be a bond $$$
you may need DOT verification
lights and brakes
just for the border
the border people have way different rules and the ca dmv
the calif dmv people will want sales taxes
if you have receipts that showed you paid calif sales tax you are good to go
otherwise prepare for punishment
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55steve
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Amato Boats in Ensenada makes boats & trailers that are regularly sold to people in the U.S. - perhaps they would have the answer.
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Borrow a trailer plate from a friend in ca ,and put it on the new trailer and bring it back, then tell the dmv you built it in ca
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Trailer
I dont have a perfect answer for you..That said I have crossed with a boat on a trailer many,,many times and they always inspect boat and
trailer&papers... and you will need fenders on that trailer or the CHP will stop you for good reason.....please follow up with a report on how it
works out...Thanx...
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DawnPatrol
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Thanks for the replies... I am going down to the Customs office in downtown SD on Monday to see what decalration forms I will need.
I will keep the forum posted
Alan from El Cajon
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Slightly off, that reminds me of an Old Snowbird who
had a panga built in Baja Sur, he towed a trailer
down from Idaho. At the US border coming back he was
asked if there is anything to declare, said no. Back in
Idaho he presented a pic of the panga, said he built
it, got it registered
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ca dmv
Be assured ca DMV will demand to inspect a trailer before they will reg it !! That much I can tell ya !!
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Here are the applicable CA requirements in case you don't have them:
www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/spcnsreg.htm
And here is a company in North Park that will come to your house to verify that the trailer meets the requirements and they will even take care of all
the DMV paperwork to get you a title, registration and plates:
www.dmvsandiego.net/
When we built the '35 Studebaker I use as my avatar we had no title, registration or plates and the body had been sitting in a backyard in Temecula
since the 50s. Furthermore we had used a burned out '71 Corvette (salvage title) as the donor car for the engine, running gear and suspension. The guy
came to the house, inspected it, looked at the salvage title and bill of sale and got us a title as a home built vehicle since it didn't look like a
Corvette. Don't remember the cost.
Bob Durrell
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DMV will not apply a VIN to a trailer with a GVWR of 7500 lbs or greater. Make an appointment with the VIN Officer at the El Cajon CHP office. He
will apply the metallic blue assigned VIN for a special construction trailer (home made). He will not care where it was built, makes no difference as
long as the lights are in compliance, wheels are covered, chains are in compliance and the brakes are working. DMV will just ask you for the cost of
construction. No receipts necessary since you will be signing a declaration under penalty of perjury. As for the border, your temporary moving
permit from DMV should be sufficient. The whole thing should be pretty straight forward.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaParrothead
DMV will not apply a VIN to a trailer with a GVWR of 7500 lbs or greater. Make an appointment with the VIN Officer at the El Cajon CHP office. He
will apply the metallic blue assigned VIN for a special construction trailer (home made). He will not care where it was built, makes no difference as
long as the lights are in compliance, wheels are covered, chains are in compliance and the brakes are working. DMV will just ask you for the cost of
construction. No receipts necessary since you will be signing a declaration under penalty of perjury. As for the border, your temporary moving
permit from DMV should be sufficient. The whole thing should be pretty straight forward. |
Have any guess as to what GVW would be for a dual axle, 14' x 7.5' flatbed would be?
Yes I have the DMV permit in hand and have paid the fees for the temp. moving permit. I understand I will show all receipts or sign a statement.
I am just curious when I arrive at Tecate gate should I also declare the 600-700 dollars it cost me to have the frame built?
I think a driver over to the tecate customs gate is in order next week. Its not too far from my house...
Thanks again for the input
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Hola senior
Since trailers repair is a part of what I do for a Living,,I can say with confidence that at least in the USA,, the axles are sold as rated and then
you have the tires as rated and brakes on trailers is sorta a grey area not to mention the controllers and springs are also over rated !!
SO..........make your run and ???? I guess my point is...ya don't know till you get there !!...pregunta ?? why don't more trailers have shocks ???
[Edited on 11-23-2013 by captkw]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
I bought a trailer made in Bahia de Los Angeles. Told the border guy what I did, showed him the receipt and then went to the CHP on PCH in San Diego
for a VIN and then registration.
It was pretty simple and not a problem... that was 7 years ago, though, and things may be a bit stickier now. |
That is pretty much still the process. It's not very difficult at all.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DawnPatrol
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaParrothead
DMV will not apply a VIN to a trailer with a GVWR of 7500 lbs or greater. Make an appointment with the VIN Officer at the El Cajon CHP office. He
will apply the metallic blue assigned VIN for a special construction trailer (home made). He will not care where it was built, makes no difference as
long as the lights are in compliance, wheels are covered, chains are in compliance and the brakes are working. DMV will just ask you for the cost of
construction. No receipts necessary since you will be signing a declaration under penalty of perjury. As for the border, your temporary moving
permit from DMV should be sufficient. The whole thing should be pretty straight forward. |
Have any guess as to what GVW would be for a dual axle, 14' x 7.5' flatbed would be?
Yes I have the DMV permit in hand and have paid the fees for the temp. moving permit. I understand I will show all receipts or sign a statement.
I am just curious when I arrive at Tecate gate should I also declare the 600-700 dollars it cost me to have the frame built?
I think a driver over to the tecate customs gate is in order next week. Its not too far from my house...
Thanks again for the input |
Check your tires, and as CAPTKW suggested, those axles should be rated as well. For a car hauler, they're generally rated between 7500 and 10000.
Just don't declare it over 10,000 Lbs. It then requires a commercial class A license, weather it's loaded or not.
Your tires are probably in the area of 2200 lbs each, so you'd be safe in declaring it to be an 8800 lb trailer, as long as the axles and springs are
equivalent.
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DawnPatrol
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You have hit the nail on the head, the tires are 2200 rated each
3500 lb axles.....
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don't haul a car on that thing...too small
the atv will be fine
I haul water everyday...tires are the weakest link
you got lucky with 2200 lbs
most tires are 17-1800
you probably have 1750lb springs...too small
I had to upgrade for the weight
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Trailer tires
I could write a book about how many times someone has brought a trailer (w/boat) to me and now after many years in the biz..I look at the tires
first!!...that sometimes are a few weeks new!! and have to tell the folks that those tires are WRONG!!!..but,But The guy stammers-!!
Goodyear/firestone/joeblows tire just charged me good money for them !! been a uphill battle all my life.....A TRAILER TIRE WILL SAY "ST" on the
sidewall..and nothing else will do..sorry...(Fact)..they are made different then regular tires and "ST" stands for " special Trailer " DUH!!
sometimes I think I'am the only one in this biz that reads a book. when you see this issue over a 1000 times,, makes me wonder...don't listen to blow
joe manager at a tire shop...get "ST" tires for your trailer.. BIAS PLY OR RADS just match to the tow car/truck......simple..but Sooo overlooked...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by captkw
I could write a book about how many times someone has brought a trailer (w/boat) to me and now after many years in the biz..I look at the tires
first!!...that sometimes are a few weeks new!! and have to tell the folks that those tires are WRONG!!!..but,But The guy stammers-!!
Goodyear/firestone/joeblows tire just charged me good money for them !! been a uphill battle all my life.....A TRAILER TIRE WILL SAY "ST" on the
sidewall..and nothing else will do..sorry...(Fact)..they are made different then regular tires and "ST" stands for " special Trailer " DUH!!
sometimes I think I'am the only one in this biz that reads a book. when you see this issue over a 1000 times,, makes me wonder...don't listen to blow
joe manager at a tire shop...get "ST" tires for your trailer.. BIAS PLY OR RADS just match to the tow car/truck......simple..but Sooo overlooked...
thanks for both of the above. I guess this is turning into a trailer info session- which is great.
I got Load Range D, 8ply, ST Radials
As far as holding a vehicle, I would occasionally put a Jeep Wrangler on the trailer @ 3300 GWV. My ATV is 1200
Thats why I did a dual axle for the occasional time I may do the Wrangler
I will check on the trailer springs they are putting on
I guess I should also state that I am towing with 2006 Ford 2500 SuperDuty Diesel
Thanks for all discussion
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[Edited on 11-24-2013 by DawnPatrol]
[Edited on 11-24-2013 by DawnPatrol]
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the springs are only one part...the hubs and bearings are the other part
edit: oh yea the jeep is heavier than that...after gas...extra gas....oil water ans stuff
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DawnPatrol
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
the springs are only one part...the hubs and bearings are the other part
edit: oh yea the jeep is heavier than that...after gas...extra gas....oil water ans stuff
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Bob, I mis-typed the GVW of the Jeep is 3300 but I get what you are saying.
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