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ILikeMex
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When is a Visa required?
Hi.
Planning a short camping trip to Erinderia just south of Ensenada.
Do I need a Visa for 3 nights if just going to "Ensenada" area?
Thanks
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TMW
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To Ensenada no further south below Maneadero yes.
I believe the 7 day visa is free any longer and you pay.
Easy to get at the border.
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David K
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Ejido Erendira is about a 50 mile drive from Ensenada... and until recently there was no checking for tourist permits in all of Baja Norte. That seems
to have changed, so better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it... they say!
1) Stop at the INM Office at the Mexican Border
2) You must have a current passport for ID to get the FMM Tourist Card.
3) For no more than 7 days trip, it is free. About US$25 for up to 180 days.
4) Discover Baja members can pre buy one in San Diego, but you still need to stop at the border to validate it (stamp it).
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ILikeMex
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Thanks so much.
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Bajahowodd
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Anyone checked the website of Coyote Cal's recently? For years, they said no visa was required to get there.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Anyone checked the website of Coyote Cal's recently? For years, they said no visa was required to get there. |
The San Felipe web sites also have claimed the same... and it was basically true... no checkpoint anywhere, except at the Baja Sur border on Hwy. 1.
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dasubergeek
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I haven't seen any reports of checkpoints on the way to San Felipe, though, have you? I mean, there's the permanent retén at the junction of 3 and 5,
but that's military, not INM.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dasubergeek
I haven't seen any reports of checkpoints on the way to San Felipe, though, have you? I mean, there's the permanent retén at the junction of 3 and 5,
but that's military, not INM. |
While I believe that San Felipe - whether by definition or not - has actually been considered within the "no FMM needed" zone, it's been reported that
military is asking for FMM's at stops along Hwy 1 recently in San Ignacio, El Rosario, and perhaps in Las Cañadas as well (although that could've
actually been INM at the stop there?).
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=71206
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=70805
[Edited on 12-30-2013 by BajaNomad]
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akshadow
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san felipe fmm
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Anyone checked the website of Coyote Cal's recently? For years, they said no visa was required to get there. |
The San Felipe web sites also have claimed the same... and it was basically true... no checkpoint anywhere, except at the Baja Sur border on Hwy. 1.
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San Felipe tourist office has said for years none required. One year I had people coming to visit so stopped by the San Felipe Immigration Office
and they said required. told my guests and they opted to not get permit/FMT at that time. No inspections no problems. I do think there will be
increased inspections as Mexico matures their computer systems etc., and seeks more revenue.
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Anyone checked the website of Coyote Cal's recently? For years, they said no visa was required to get there. |
The San Felipe web sites also have claimed the same... and it was basically true... no checkpoint anywhere, except at the Baja Sur border on Hwy. 1.
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sancho
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This topic gets a work out, it seems many here believe
it is appropriate behavior as a Visitor to Mex to ignore
Mex Immigration regs because there is no formal
check/checkpoint for legal Immigration status as a
Tourist? San Felipe Immigration has for yrs. acted
somewaht independently of Fed Immigration guidelines, who wants to spend $24 dlls if one does not have too?
If ever asked for an fmm, never have been, I want to
produce one, to any sort of Mex Authority whether it's
in their legal right to request one or not
There was more than one report, the East Mexicali gate
into Mex, Mex Immigration there stated Every Tourist entering
need an fmm, either the free 7 day or the $24 dll one, I wouldn't think that means a day visitor to Mexicali
needs one, it would be nice if Mex Immigration had a
clear/direct policy, but it is Mex
[Edited on 12-30-2013 by sancho]
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dasubergeek
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sancho, it's not that we don't want to abide by the rules, it's that the rules are unclear. (Though "3 nights" sounds like more than 72 hours, in
which case yes, you need an FMM even if you're going to sleep in the Zona Norte de Tijuana.)
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dasubergeek
sancho, it's not that we don't want to abide by the rules, it's that the rules are unclear |
No doubt unclear, but the tone of many posts SUGGESTS
it is within one's right as a Visitor to Mex to ignore
Mex Immigration regs, it's been demonstrated here many times it stems from not wanting to have to pay the $ for the
180 day fmm, simply because there is rarely
a formal check of Immigration status, to me, that is RUDE to
the host Country of Mex, granted it is difficult/impossible to find
current/accurate info, seems different Imm Offices can
have conflicting interpretations. Until there is some sort
of penalty imposed by Mex Imm some will ignore the regs,
Spending a nite in Zona Roja?
[Edited on 12-30-2013 by sancho]
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Simple Simon
Stop at the border crossing and get the FMM.
Day trip to TJ or Ensenada, wing it.......3 nights, 72 hours, south of Manedearo....checkpoints or none...who cares, just get the FMM.
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David K
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You know, if the money actually helped the Baja people, then sure... but what goes to D.F. (Mexico City) stays in D.F., as they say!
Have you to seen the surging Baja California independence movement?
Baja had been ignored by the mainland more often than not... it seems like a different country (Baja vs. Mainland Mexico)... Services, highways, and
more lacks in Baja so say the Baja people.
How hard is is for the agency (who has collected millions since they began the tax on tourists in mid-2000) to produce the printed rules for Baja
California???
72 hours (ie. 3 days) or less in the Border Zone: No FMM needed. Longer NEEDED... ANYWHERE in Mexico.
WHAT is the BORDER ZONE in Baja? To Maneadero, on the west side? To San Felipe (or Mexicali only?) on the east side? Those are the 'traditional
points'.
The past printed details only applied to Mainland Mexico (20 kms. from border is border zone). Baja has always been different... just like why you
don't need a vehicle permit in Baja... because it is ALMOST AN ISLAND!  
What has the FM-T and FMM money collected since mid 2000 totaled to? Where has it gone? How much has been returned to Baja to benefit tourism or the
businesses in Baja hurt by the tax or unclear rules?
Can you imaging the log jam if EVERY non-Mexican southbound car has to stop at the border for an FMM? Has anyone in the Mexican government thought it
out... ???
[Edited on 12-31-2013 by David K]
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bajaguy
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Print it
David.............
Please print this and take it with you to Baja. When you are asked for your FMM/drivers license/vehicle registration/vehicle insurance by INM, any
police agency or the military....just give them a copy. I' sure they will agree with you and send you on your way with a smile.
It's not OUR job to decide what they do or how they do it, it's not our country They don't have to make it easy, they don't have to collect it from
you when you leave.....but you must turn it in....they don't care how you do it.
They make the rules, even if the rules change every day, are in conflict with each other or are not fair.
Just get the FMM.............like you always say......it is better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
I doubt things will be different if the Baja Independence Movement is successful.....and it can always get worse.
However....YMMV
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
You know, if the money actually helped the Baja people, then sure... but what goes to D.F. (Mexico City) stays in D.F., as they say!
Have you to seen the surging Baja California independence movement?
Baja had been ignored by the mainland more often than not... it seems like a different country (Baja vs. Mainland Mexico)... Services, highways, and
more lacks in Baja so say the Baja people.
How hard is is for the agency (who has collected millions since they began the tax on tourists in mid-2000) to produce the printed rules for Baja
California???
72 hours (ie. 3 days) or less in the Border Zone: No FMM needed. Longer NEEDED... ANYWHERE in Mexico.
WHAT is the BORDER ZONE in Baja? To Maneadero, on the west side? To San Felipe (or Mexicali only?) on the east side? Those are the 'traditional
points'.
The past printed details only applied to Mainland Mexico (20 kms. from border is border zone). Baja has always been different... just like why you
don't need a vehicle permit in Baja... because it is ALMOST AN ISLAND!
What has the FM-T and FMM money collected since mid 2000 totaled to? Where has it gone? How much has been returned to Baja to benefit tourism or the
businesses in Baja hurt by the tax or unclear rules?
Can you imaging the log jam if EVERY non-Mexican southbound car has to stop at the border for an FMM? Has anyone in the Mexican government thought it
out... ???
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David K
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bajaguy:
This is a discussion forum, so that's what we are doing... It's not a personal thing with me, you or anyone else... so please don't think I am talking
about ME when discussing Baja issues.
I posted the details on getting an FMM last time I did it for everyone's benefit.
I would hope the Mexican INM people would provide some black and white details for everyone, as well.
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How many on here actually turn in their tourist visa when returning to the US? Whether it is a 30 or 180 day visa it is required to be turn in before
returning to the US even if you stay just 10 days.
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David K
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Apparently, they know car travelers have a near-impossible way to get to the INM office when northbound (since INM is at the southbound gates only and
traffic is what it is, specially for RVs and towing), so they have provided a mailing address to return the thing before it expires.
From Discover Baja's web site:
Before your Tourist Visa expires, return it in person to any Mexican Immigration Office OR mail to: INSTITUTO NACIONAL DE MIGRACION
PUENTE PUERTA S/N
COLONIA FEDERAL
TIJUANA, B.C. MEXICO C.P. 22310
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If you get it at Discover Baja Travel Club you can turn it in to them or mail it to them. Carol said by turning it in helps them helps keep their
ability to issue them. I don't know if they will accept a visa issued at the border.
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