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luv2fish
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I see a good ole revolution coming to a baja town near you. Panasonic is due to close in March and lay off 6000 people in TJ.
And that is atop of the 2000 people allready out of work because of 4 others that have closed thanks to the new Taxation. I hope we dont start seeing
the great human waves running north on I 5.
http://www.el-mexicano.com.mx/informacion/noticias/1/3/estat...
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Hook
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Update on nationalizing cars: you'd better HOPE the free zone designation holds.
Several brokers along the Mexican border are reporting that the Mexican govt. has initiated a hiatus in importing/nationalizing NAFTA eligible cars.
Supposedly, there are new rules coming shortly that will once again institute a narrow build-year range for importing. There are conflicting reports
from brokers that it will be a hard no-older-than-five-years OR ten years.
This could once again be important for Permanente card holds who are precluded from driving foreign plated vehicles and are not allowed to be issued
TIPs. Still unclear if this affects Permanente holders in the free zones but that confiscation of vehicles in the Cabo area maybe makes it more clear.
This does not affect the issuance of TIPs. But I found something interesting on the excellent yucalandia site. IF you have a TIP and your vehicle is
stolen in Mexico, you are forced to pay 40% of the cost of importing the vehicle, as determined by Aduana. Otherwise, you will not be able to have a
TIP issued for another vehicle.
Sure hope the free zone exemption lasts for a number of reasons. I am becoming more and more leery of reverting to a Permanente when my Temporal is up
this year. It's gonna be cheaper and easier to go back to the FMM/FMT/Visitante/whatever it's called this year and just get a TIP each year and return
it.
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chuckie
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Another one of the potential unforseen circumstances which made me decide to stay Temporal. I am giving that up as well when I leave in April. Going
back to a 6 month FMM or whatever the terminology is or will be.
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chuckie
Another one of the potential unforseen circumstances which made me decide to stay Temporal. I am giving that up as well when I leave in April. Going
back to a 6 month FMM or whatever the terminology is or will be. |
IF we assume that the free zones will go away, then one will be forced to return to the border to turn in and renew their TIP and get a refund on
their "bond". The TIP will only last as long as the length of the FMM. That could be a real hardship on persons living a fair distance from the
border.
And the vehicle issued the TIP must accompany them. You cant just drive the paperwork and the scrapped off sticker up to the border and renew. I have
read of persons one day late with turning it in and losing the bond. Imagine if you're vehicle is suddenly down for repairs as your bond comes due.
Bye, bye bond.
What Aduana REALLY needs to do is put in a procedure for those with Temporals to be able to turn in their TIPs w/o having to drive to the border. That
doesnt exist right now.
By the time this administration gets through with squeezing us ex-pats for every centavo, Mexico is going to have lost much of it's retirement allure.
Central America is looking better and better........
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
| Quote: | Originally posted by chuckie
Another one of the potential unforseen circumstances which made me decide to stay Temporal. I am giving that up as well when I leave in April. Going
back to a 6 month FMM or whatever the terminology is or will be. |
IF we assume that the free zones will go away, then one will be forced to return to the border to turn in and renew their TIP and get a refund on
their "bond". The TIP will only last as long as the length of the FMM. That could be a real hardship on persons living a fair distance from the
border.
And the vehicle issued the TIP must accompany them. You cant just drive the paperwork and the scrapped off sticker up to the border and renew. I have
read of persons one day late with turning it in and losing the bond. Imagine if you're vehicle is suddenly down for repairs as your bond comes due.
Bye, bye bond.
What Aduana REALLY needs to do is put in a procedure for those with Temporals to be able to turn in their TIPs w/o having to drive to the border. That
doesnt exist right now.
By the time this administration gets through with squeezing us ex-pats for every centavo, Mexico is going to have lost much of it's retirement allure.
Central America is looking better and better........ |
i thought the "T" in TIP meant "temporary." if you need a car in mexico full time for multiple years, it seems to be the use is closer to definition
of "permanent."
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by prt328
I guess it's more than a rumor now. Baja Insider reports over 50 U.S. cars were confiscated at the Cabo airport because they were not imported and
were owned by Permanent Residents. I guess I'll have to get my South Dakota car imported!
Worse than that is I drove my RV down (with Calif. plates) and want to get it back home in May. Does that mean I have to import it now and export it
when I bring it back to the States??? Assuming it doesn't get impounded along the way!
Always something to keep us busy....
Here's the Baja Insider article (I guess it's okay to link to it?)
http://bajainsider.com/baja-business/importingregisteringveh... |
OK, I can understand how/why "THEY" can target foreign plated cars at the airport but how would they know that the owner had a Permanente INM status
vs. Temporal or FMM?
Bob Durrell
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gnukid
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Far more likely the old policy will go away toward a more flexible universal policy for Mexican/Candian/American transnationals.
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DaliDali
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Far more likely the old policy will go away toward a more flexible universal policy for Mexican/Candian/American transnationals.
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I like it....
Something along the lines of "a foreigner can operate his/her foreign plated vehicle with the payment of nominal "permission to operate" fees paid
yearly or bi-annually at a local bank office. These fees will align with current annual renewal fees imposed on National plated vehicles.
After the fees are paid, a window sticker denoting compliance will be issued at the nearest Judicial office or office of the Federal Police.
These stickers will allow the use of said vehicle to be operated within the entire republic of Mexico for the validity term denoted on the window
sticker.
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DaliDali
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Far more likely the old policy will go away toward a more flexible universal policy for Mexican/Candian/American transnationals.
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I like it....
Something along the lines of "a foreigner can operate his/her foreign plated vehicle with the payment of nominal "permission to operate" fees paid
yearly or bi-annually at a local bank office. These fees will align with current annual renewal fees imposed on National plated vehicles.
After the fees are paid, a window sticker denoting compliance will be issued at the nearest Judicial office or office of the Federal Police.
These stickers will allow the use of said vehicle to be operated within the entire republic of Mexico for the validity term denoted on the window
sticker. |
Is this just wishful thinking or is there anything out there to think this might be a realistic outcome?
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for logic to be applied to government regulations....
says the ex-government employee. |
Pure wishful.......no breath holding here.
Far be it from me to even suggest a "government" can implement a simple and effective regulation.
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measomsan
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Been down sense July. Been to airport many many times. Have heard no one speak of car grab there. The Feds are there all the time now. I have a new F
J that I drove down from Texas. This is corn fusing to me. I use to have a AZ car here and changed it into Mexico plates. It was older. I got and
have a Mx DL. I used it when driving that car. Used my Tx DL when driving my US car
So I'm not sure what to do at this point. Next year I can be perm resident. They are taking a bit of the fun out of being here. Maybe just use
drivers for the airport run. Can the local police also jack you up on this? Or is it just Feds ?
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dasubergeek
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The entire Republic of Mexico, except for the DF and those parts of Edomex that have the "hoy no circula" program in place... good luck figuring out
which days you're allowed to drive!
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prt328
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measomsan - From what I understand you can still import A car BEFORE you go permanent but not after. One per person I guess.
I think you are going to see a bunch of US plated cars owned by permanents for sale soon....bounty for the temps and FMMS!
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apple
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Anybody go to the "seminar" in Loreto today?
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prt328
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The part that is confusing/frustrating is that the Baja Borders are still not issuing TIPS nor requiring them - and I think that is the key to this
madness. Once they do so things may get a little different and the "rules" may be a little clearer but who knows? I'm getting a bit nervous about my
South Dakota plates since I'm sure they have figured out most of those never leave....
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Lengua
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Help
So , were totally confused. We have a truck stored in San Jose del cabo with Oregon plates. We fly to Cabo and drive North to La Paz for our
vacations.We are not residents and are exploring Baja . We have spent time in Loreto , Santa Rosalia and other places. Our boat is in La Paz and has a
TIP. Does the truck need a TIP? we do not own a home and I have a Oregon DL ,
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dasubergeek
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You do not need a TIP. The entire Baja peninsula is TIP-free, as is the state of Sonora as far as the inspection station 5 km north of Vicam (just
outside Cd. Obregón).
There has been absolutely zero actual news about any kind of TIP program for Baja. Were there to be any such thing, all the newspapers would report
it, and as yet, nada con nadita.
You DO need an FMM—a tourist card—for the part of the peninsula south of Maneadero, but if you fly into Los Cabos airport, you'll receive one or
purchase one (depending whether you fly from the US or from Tijuana). Theoretically this includes San Felipe. Do a search for the latest reports on
who's inspecting where.
[Edited on 1-28-2014 by dasubergeek]
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MitchMan
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There is all this "noise" about confiscation of US plated vehicles owned and driven by Residente Permanentes in Baja, all of it third party reports
and hearsay. So far NO ONE has reported first hand info of a confiscation with event specific information or even a confiscation actually witnessed.
The article mentioned in the beginning of this thread said a "clean and exact" 50 vehicles were confiscated in Cabo. Not 49, not 51 or 53 or 47.
Statistically, what is the probability of an even "50" being the actual number? Furthermore, the article seemed to be more of a promotion for
services offered than a news report.
Often times when you also read interpretations rendered by attorneys about impending policy and law in Baja, it is always a "worst case scenario"
which serves to create fear and insecurity which induces people to pay for and consult attorneys for guidance in these "dangerous times" for every
little thing.
While I am concerned about possible confiscations and while I do believe that I possess enough info on the matter to actually, technically conclude
that the Mexican government does currently have the authority thru existing law to confiscate US plated vehicles owned and operated in Baja by
Residente Permanentes, I believe it is not currently their actionable policy to do so. Especially since I have not heard of any first hand reports of
an actual confiscation in Baja.
But, I do have my ear to the ground on this matter.
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gnukid
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The article is BS promotion. Baja is TIP free and PR may drive US plated vehicles in Baja and store vehicles in their home. Confiscations of vehicles
in Baja may be associated with falsified papers, no plates, infractions etc... There is a multa and you can pick up the car.
People who have US vehicles without registration, no plates or other registration issues can use these services to become legal in some form, with
circulation plates, SD plates or other options.
[Edited on 1-28-2014 by gnukid]
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Stop in any office of ADUANA at the border. These guys are easy to talk to. They're going to tell you that only extraneous with legal residency or
immigration permission are allowed to legally keep a motor vehicle with extraneous license plates in the country ANYWHERE. Even 2" from the
international border.
So when an extraneous leaves Mexico without the motor vehicle, it's permission to remain in the country becomes null and void.
Any Aduanero at any office of Aduana, it does not have to be at the frontera, ask in Guerrero Negro, Santa Rosalia, the airport in Loreto, La Paz,
Cabo San Loco. Ask the question. CAN A PERSON DEPART MEXICO WITHOUT THE VEHICLE?
There, you will get the correct information.
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capitolkat
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Well- I read all the stuff that Eddy was selling and one of the things he was selling was a way to take your car to the border and bring it back after
importing it for you. Mucho dinero for Eddy. So I went to the guy who handled my RP paperwork who is a former immigrado employee. He confirmed there
was nothing at immigrado, or the local aduana here in La Paz requiring a foreign vehicle being driven by a RP holder to be imported.
I asked him the same questions before I went for the RP and when this storm of rumors arose I went back and asked him to check again. He again
confirmed that there was no requirement to import for RP holders and that BAja remains a free zone.
So I read the blog that Eddy provided and it's his interpretation of the National law on imported possessions requires cars to also be imported. No
other attorney in La Paz has confirmed his opinion and his opinion conveniently provides a way to provide a service to help you import the vehicles
at a very high price. Eddy didn't get the nickname "fast Eddy" because he played pool in the movie.
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