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KurtG
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
How much do they run Ateo? |
$100-150 for the Spot and my basic service is $100/yr.
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bajadogs
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| Quote: | Originally posted by StuckSucks
I've been using the first generation SPOT since the beginning, and it travels with me to remote spots (eg Baja), dirt biking in the desert, etc. Along
with tracking, I like the "I'm OK" feature, where I can send my wife or others, an "I'm OK email."
re: sat phones. I use a late-model Iridium, and I agree, it has the audio quality/connectivity of a 1985 Motorola flip phone. |
I want something like this but, I don't understand some capabilities. Why can't your first gen be used as a theft recovery tool? I'm curious about the
new Spot Trace but wonder if I can send an "I am OK" message. 
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EnsenadaDr
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Hi Kurt could you please explain what the SPOT does in its entirety and what services you offer? | Quote: | Originally posted by KurtG
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
How much do they run Ateo? |
$100-150 for the Spot and my basic service is $100/yr. |
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bajadogs
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services you offer
my basic service is $100/yr.
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Ateo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
SPOT recommends lithium batteries and you need spares for sure.
As for this tracking unit they have.....only would work as long as batteries are good and the unit is in a location that can send signal...and I don't
know how strong their transponding is...but I am looking into the notion, SPOT being one of them.
I have had very mixed results with my SPOT.
Two years ago when leading a ride of 20 guys on an outback 3-day ride in BC, a guy crashed and was revived from as close to death as possible....5
SPOT units sent SOS....the authorities received the message but not the co-ordinates that were accurate.
4.5 hours later the helicopter arrived and the guy survived....the chopper got the correct co-ords from a phone call sent by a guy who rode
out.....still a mystery as that situation. |
they're certainly not infallible, think back to that awful day
in november. |
From what I read, the SPOT on Caselli's bike was working. They sent an SOS from it. But by that time it was too late. The problem was it wasn't on
his body, where he may have been able to activate it earlier when he crashed. Maybe if the KTM chopper could have monitored the SPOT feed they
could've flown to him? Maybe they were? Who knows? The SPOT was on his bike, far away from where he landed, says X Games article:
http://xgames.espn.go.com/rally-moto-x/article/10078322/kurt...
"When he got back, Ken told me there is no way anyone riding the same direction of the race would have found Kurt if he hadn't moved his bike," Orozco
said. Ten minutes later, at 4:55 p.m., according to his tracker, Kawasaki team rider Ricky Brabec, who was in third place before the crash, spotted
the orange bike leaned upright against a small tree and slowed to look for its rider. He then spotted Caselli and turned around.
At almost that exact moment, Ramirez arrived at the scene, dismounted his bike and ran to Caselli. Brabec rode to Ramirez but stayed on his bike. "I
told Ivan, 'Stay strong,' and I left to go get help," Brabec said. As multiple reports began to filter in at pit stops and over the radio, the next
few hours were filled with confusion, false reports and misinformation.
"When I got there, it was getting dark," Ramirez said. "Kurt wasn't breathing. When I got there, he was gone."
A few minutes later, Ramirez said Kosiorek returned and stayed with him until the ambulance arrived, followed by a group of Australian spectators he
had alerted a few miles up the road. Ramirez told one of them how to access the SPOT tracker on the bike and instructed him to push its SOS button.
Doing so sent a message to the GEOS Emergency Response Center in Houston, and local search-and-rescue organizations were notified.
"At 5:15, we received a medical alert from Texas, from the Coast Guard, saying there was a medical emergency," Carpenter said. The Weatherman then
called out a "code red" over the radio, initiating an emergency response to the GPS location pinged by the tracker.
But by then, it was too late. Caselli had succumbed to his injuries. According to the autopsy report, he suffered no head trauma and died of internal
injuries.
[Edited on 1-30-2014 by Ateo]
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KurtG
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Hi Kurt could you please explain what the SPOT does in its entirety and what services you offer? | Quote: |
http://www.findmespot.com/en/
The Spot website will give all the info. As to my offered services they are very exclusive with but one client. |
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EnsenadaDr
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hahah I thought you were the salesperson when you said your basic service. What I meant was I thought you were the one who would set up the SPOT and
would be the one who would monitor it etc. By no means did I mean it any other way. Sort of like an insurance agent. Sorry for my
misinterpretation!!
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNomad
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I don't remember exactly what the problem was with the What is West guys and what happened with their SPOT equipment... |
They lost their SPOT device in the desert:
"Just had a gnarly trip through the mtns. No route. Cactus ripping up our legs. Socks soaking up sweat and blood. Our packs were snagging on all
these desert plants. Lost the SPOT (the tracking device) when a cactus ripped it off and we didn't notice. It's gone. Late in the day yesterday we
stumbled upon our first oasis. Some dude was grilling up a 50lb yellowtail. Like some sort of dream after walking through lifeless cactus filled
gorges..."
https://www.facebook.com/WHATISWEST/posts/481170851936971 |
They were east-southeast of San Ignacio on a ranch road or the El Camino Real, as I recall.
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| Quote: | Baja Geoff posted their last Spot location map... East of San Ignacio near Rancho Santa Lucia, along the Arroyo San Ignacio.
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Here is the region on the 2003 Baja Almanac:
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bajaguy
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SPOT
You are your own "agent"
In addition to the basic features/programs that come with the SPOT purchase, you select what options you want to add to your personal account.
Before every trip/use, you get on your computer, open your personal SPOT account and decide which programs to activate and you decide who gets the
messages.
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
hahah I thought you were the salesperson when you said your basic service. What I meant was I thought you were the one who would set up the SPOT and
would be the one who would monitor it etc. By no means did I mean it any other way. Sort of like an insurance agent. Sorry for my
misinterpretation!! |
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EnsenadaDr
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Thank you for the additional information Bajaguy. Is there any cheaper plan than $100 a month (I assume this price is in USD). | Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
You are your own "agent"
In addition to the basic features/programs that come with the SPOT purchase, you select what options you want to add to your personal account.
Before every trip/use, you get on your computer, open your personal SPOT account and decide which programs to activate and you decide who gets the
messages.
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
hahah I thought you were the salesperson when you said your basic service. What I meant was I thought you were the one who would set up the SPOT and
would be the one who would monitor it etc. By no means did I mean it any other way. Sort of like an insurance agent. Sorry for my
misinterpretation!! |
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Ateo
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It's $100/year.
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EnsenadaDr
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ah that's great!! Well no one can afford to go with out that device. This question may have been answered, but are there any areas that the device
may not work in Baja?
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bajaguy
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Been all over Baja to Guerrero Negro (and out in the lagoon), several states - Oregon, Utah, Idaho, Colorado, Arizona including Hawaii and Alaska (on
a cruise) and use it in an aircraft several times while on SAR missions.
Even had it with me on a raft trip down the North Fork of the American river when we flipped our raft and it was under water for about 15
minutes......all worked perfect.......just make sure you use fresh batteries and have spares
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
ah that's great!! Well no one can afford to go with out that device. This question may have been answered, but are there any areas that the device
may not work in Baja? |
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willardguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ateo
| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
SPOT recommends lithium batteries and you need spares for sure.
As for this tracking unit they have.....only would work as long as batteries are good and the unit is in a location that can send signal...and I don't
know how strong their transponding is...but I am looking into the notion, SPOT being one of them.
I have had very mixed results with my SPOT.
Two years ago when leading a ride of 20 guys on an outback 3-day ride in BC, a guy crashed and was revived from as close to death as possible....5
SPOT units sent SOS....the authorities received the message but not the co-ordinates that were accurate.
4.5 hours later the helicopter arrived and the guy survived....the chopper got the correct co-ords from a phone call sent by a guy who rode
out.....still a mystery as that situation. |
they're certainly not infallible, think back to that awful day
in november. |
From what I read, the SPOT on Caselli's bike was working. They sent an SOS from it. But by that time it was too late. The problem was it wasn't on
his body, where he may have been able to activate it earlier when he crashed. Maybe if the KTM chopper could have monitored the SPOT feed they
could've flown to him? Maybe they were? Who knows? The SPOT was on his bike, far away from where he landed, says X Games article:
http://xgames.espn.go.com/rally-moto-x/article/10078322/kurt...
"When he got back, Ken told me there is no way anyone riding the same direction of the race would have found Kurt if he hadn't moved his bike," Orozco
said. Ten minutes later, at 4:55 p.m., according to his tracker, Kawasaki team rider Ricky Brabec, who was in third place before the crash, spotted
the orange bike leaned upright against a small tree and slowed to look for its rider. He then spotted Caselli and turned around.
At almost that exact moment, Ramirez arrived at the scene, dismounted his bike and ran to Caselli. Brabec rode to Ramirez but stayed on his bike. "I
told Ivan, 'Stay strong,' and I left to go get help," Brabec said. As multiple reports began to filter in at pit stops and over the radio, the next
few hours were filled with confusion, false reports and misinformation.
"When I got there, it was getting dark," Ramirez said. "Kurt wasn't breathing. When I got there, he was gone."
A few minutes later, Ramirez said Kosiorek returned and stayed with him until the ambulance arrived, followed by a group of Australian spectators he
had alerted a few miles up the road. Ramirez told one of them how to access the SPOT tracker on the bike and instructed him to push its SOS button.
Doing so sent a message to the GEOS Emergency Response Center in Houston, and local search-and-rescue organizations were notified.
"At 5:15, we received a medical alert from Texas, from the Coast Guard, saying there was a medical emergency," Carpenter said. The Weatherman then
called out a "code red" over the radio, initiating an emergency response to the GPS location pinged by the tracker.
But by then, it was too late. Caselli had succumbed to his injuries. According to the autopsy report, he suffered no head trauma and died of internal
injuries.
[Edited on 1-30-2014 by Ateo] |
2x bike in the lead in the baja 1000 in relatively flat and accessible
terrain 3 miles from a paved road, Kurt hits a cow at warp speed on the course, and lays there dying for 90 minutes while no one can find him? the
tracker failed, the KTM team failed, and score failed!
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chuckie
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In the end, its all about people........and their response
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bajaguy
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Hey, willard....how did the "tracker" fail????
| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ateo
| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
SPOT recommends lithium batteries and you need spares for sure.
As for this tracking unit they have.....only would work as long as batteries are good and the unit is in a location that can send signal...and I don't
know how strong their transponding is...but I am looking into the notion, SPOT being one of them.
I have had very mixed results with my SPOT.
Two years ago when leading a ride of 20 guys on an outback 3-day ride in BC, a guy crashed and was revived from as close to death as possible....5
SPOT units sent SOS....the authorities received the message but not the co-ordinates that were accurate.
4.5 hours later the helicopter arrived and the guy survived....the chopper got the correct co-ords from a phone call sent by a guy who rode
out.....still a mystery as that situation. |
they're certainly not infallible, think back to that awful day
in november. |
From what I read, the SPOT on Caselli's bike was working. They sent an SOS from it. But by that time it was too late. The problem was it wasn't on
his body, where he may have been able to activate it earlier when he crashed. Maybe if the KTM chopper could have monitored the SPOT feed they
could've flown to him? Maybe they were? Who knows? The SPOT was on his bike, far away from where he landed, says X Games article:
http://xgames.espn.go.com/rally-moto-x/article/10078322/kurt...
"When he got back, Ken told me there is no way anyone riding the same direction of the race would have found Kurt if he hadn't moved his bike," Orozco
said. Ten minutes later, at 4:55 p.m., according to his tracker, Kawasaki team rider Ricky Brabec, who was in third place before the crash, spotted
the orange bike leaned upright against a small tree and slowed to look for its rider. He then spotted Caselli and turned around.
At almost that exact moment, Ramirez arrived at the scene, dismounted his bike and ran to Caselli. Brabec rode to Ramirez but stayed on his bike. "I
told Ivan, 'Stay strong,' and I left to go get help," Brabec said. As multiple reports began to filter in at pit stops and over the radio, the next
few hours were filled with confusion, false reports and misinformation.
"When I got there, it was getting dark," Ramirez said. "Kurt wasn't breathing. When I got there, he was gone."
A few minutes later, Ramirez said Kosiorek returned and stayed with him until the ambulance arrived, followed by a group of Australian spectators he
had alerted a few miles up the road. Ramirez told one of them how to access the SPOT tracker on the bike and instructed him to push its SOS button.
Doing so sent a message to the GEOS Emergency Response Center in Houston, and local search-and-rescue organizations were notified.
"At 5:15, we received a medical alert from Texas, from the Coast Guard, saying there was a medical emergency," Carpenter said. The Weatherman then
called out a "code red" over the radio, initiating an emergency response to the GPS location pinged by the tracker.
But by then, it was too late. Caselli had succumbed to his injuries. According to the autopsy report, he suffered no head trauma and died of internal
injuries.
[Edited on 1-30-2014 by Ateo] |
2x bike in the lead in the baja 1000 in relatively flat and accessible
terrain 3 miles from a paved road, Kurt hits a cow at warp speed on the course, and lays there dying for 90 minutes while no one can find him? the
tracker failed, the KTM team failed, and score failed! |
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willardguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
Hey, willard....how did the "tracker" fail????
| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ateo
| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
SPOT recommends lithium batteries and you need spares for sure.
As for this tracking unit they have.....only would work as long as batteries are good and the unit is in a location that can send signal...and I don't
know how strong their transponding is...but I am looking into the notion, SPOT being one of them.
I have had very mixed results with my SPOT.
Two years ago when leading a ride of 20 guys on an outback 3-day ride in BC, a guy crashed and was revived from as close to death as possible....5
SPOT units sent SOS....the authorities received the message but not the co-ordinates that were accurate.
4.5 hours later the helicopter arrived and the guy survived....the chopper got the correct co-ords from a phone call sent by a guy who rode
out.....still a mystery as that situation. |
they're certainly not infallible, think back to that awful day
in november. |
From what I read, the SPOT on Caselli's bike was working. They sent an SOS from it. But by that time it was too late. The problem was it wasn't on
his body, where he may have been able to activate it earlier when he crashed. Maybe if the KTM chopper could have monitored the SPOT feed they
could've flown to him? Maybe they were? Who knows? The SPOT was on his bike, far away from where he landed, says X Games article:
http://xgames.espn.go.com/rally-moto-x/article/10078322/kurt...
"When he got back, Ken told me there is no way anyone riding the same direction of the race would have found Kurt if he hadn't moved his bike," Orozco
said. Ten minutes later, at 4:55 p.m., according to his tracker, Kawasaki team rider Ricky Brabec, who was in third place before the crash, spotted
the orange bike leaned upright against a small tree and slowed to look for its rider. He then spotted Caselli and turned around.
At almost that exact moment, Ramirez arrived at the scene, dismounted his bike and ran to Caselli. Brabec rode to Ramirez but stayed on his bike. "I
told Ivan, 'Stay strong,' and I left to go get help," Brabec said. As multiple reports began to filter in at pit stops and over the radio, the next
few hours were filled with confusion, false reports and misinformation.
"When I got there, it was getting dark," Ramirez said. "Kurt wasn't breathing. When I got there, he was gone."
A few minutes later, Ramirez said Kosiorek returned and stayed with him until the ambulance arrived, followed by a group of Australian spectators he
had alerted a few miles up the road. Ramirez told one of them how to access the SPOT tracker on the bike and instructed him to push its SOS button.
Doing so sent a message to the GEOS Emergency Response Center in Houston, and local search-and-rescue organizations were notified.
"At 5:15, we received a medical alert from Texas, from the Coast Guard, saying there was a medical emergency," Carpenter said. The Weatherman then
called out a "code red" over the radio, initiating an emergency response to the GPS location pinged by the tracker.
But by then, it was too late. Caselli had succumbed to his injuries. According to the autopsy report, he suffered no head trauma and died of internal
injuries.
[Edited on 1-30-2014 by Ateo] |
2x bike in the lead in the baja 1000 in relatively flat and accessible
terrain 3 miles from a paved road, Kurt hits a cow at warp speed on the course, and lays there dying for 90 minutes while no one can find him? the
tracker failed, the KTM team failed, and score failed! |
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how or why did the spot tracker fail? well thats the exact question everyone's asking.
were these units capable of being real time trackers? if you followed, or tried to follow racers you found that 1x and 2x would not update for 20, 30
minutes at a time. last tracking put Kurt 8 to 10 miles from where he exited the race, both the KTM and the honda helicopters searching overhead to no
avail. this was the first year for spot trackers and no doubt theres bugs to be worked out, and yes the SOS feature worked well, 90 minutes to
late
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