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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Tipping? Mordida?
There it is in a nutshell. Employers scrooge their employees who are forced to resort to using tips to exist and Mexican cop shops (transito,
preventiva, and municipio) are forced to extort to pay for stuff the Mexican people should insist their crooked politicians pay for. Uniforms, and
gasoline.
Who will yell "UNCLE!" and give in first?
Crooked politicians? Wealthy labor exploiters? Waiters? Mordelones?
You got me...
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sd
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OK, I understand. I tip too much. Just back from the barber, them lunch and Saturday early lunch and proper refreshments here in Southern California.
Happy workers when I left!
Dennis, you are correct regarding tipping vs gifting. I tend to give to the ones that appear to me as great people.
My travels to Mexico is as a tourist. Not my place to try to change their way of life, I do as I feel is right, lots of good times and great people.
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freediverbrian
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I took a trip to Panama and no tip is expected for service , even in small out of the places. All employes are paid a wage with health care and
vaction paid by the employer the service is good, and prices were cheap. I had a hard time not leaving a few dollars anyway.
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Udo
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I can not see anything resembling a union in Mexico...at least not in our lifetime.
The closest Mexico comes to a union are the drug cartels, and maybe some politicians and their staff.
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
It's practices, such as these, that cause unions. What could be worse. |
Udo
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Udo
I can not see anything resembling a union in Mexico...at least not in our lifetime.
The closest Mexico comes to a union are the drug cartels, and maybe some politicians and their staff.
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Maybe not:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederation_of_Mexican_Worker...
http://www.uia.mx/campus/publicaciones/IIDSES/pdf/investigac...
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sd
My travels to Mexico is as a tourist. Not my place to try to change their way of life, I do as I feel is right, lots of good times and great people.
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I don't try to change anybody or anything, SD. I tip heavily when service is involved, but I won't be intimidated out of my money when its not.
Tip a water truck driver........when he owns the truck [or not]???
Not me.
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pauldavidmena
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I feel more than a little embarrassed that I didn't tip the gas station attendant at the PEMEX in Pescadero when I last came to visit. In my defense,
it was the first time I had driven a rental car enough to require filling up, and I didn't realize that it was customary to tip. He not only cleaned
my windshield, covered in dust from the backroads of San Pedrito, but made sure to call my attention to the fact that the pump was at zero before he
started to dispense gas. I'll know better for next time - which can't be soon enough! 
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Pre-School COP
Grammer School POLITICIAN
College Graduate UNION OFFICIAL
It's a RACE! Who is more crooked? The head of the teacher's union or the head of Pemex workers union? The suction would rip your clothes off.
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Lindalou
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Udo
My dos centavos:
The grocery bagger: 5 pesos...I generally only get 1-3 bags.
Parking attendant: normally 10P
Gas station: 5P if only gas pets pumped, 10-20 depending on how many widows get cleaned.
Restaurants: at least 10% if so-so service. Those who greet us as we come in, and provide excellent service throughout the meal: 20%
The Red Cross workers: 10-20P
Firemen: 20P
The last two are when they have a stop station at a tope. |
A list? exactly how much? How can a person living
on SS ever follow in your footsteps?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
They're certainly around. Case in point, the Hotel Los Arcos closure. |
As well as La Fonda in La Mision.
HUELGA.......STRIKE.....Red and Black flags everywhere.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
the head of Pemex workers union? |
The legacy of La Quina
http://www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2013/11/mexican-...
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sd
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Dennis, interesting when considering tipping an employee vs a business owner. I am generous with some owners if they also do all or most of the work
involved in running their business. Water truck, not sure what I would do. I see your point.
Lindalou, if on a limited income I think most will understand, you can only do what you are able to do.
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tiotomasbcs
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I also tip with candies from Costco. My favorites in Pescadero. Pauldavid, love Cracker Jacks?! American bubblegum, too!! I know we have hashed
this over before but I love seeing the Tips jar in the Pharmacy or grocery store where they don't bag, ha! $5 to 10 pesos is good. If you share some
bad Spanish and a smile is even better! Tio
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tiotomasbcs
If you share some bad Spanish and a smile is even better! Tio |
You got it, Tio. Happiness and good humor are the greatest gratuity. 
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sd
I am generous with some owners if they also do all or most of the work involved in running their business. |
Maybe a cold beer, but money? I can't see any justification for that since the owner sets his prices.
Anyway, don't let my arguments affect your sense of generosity.
Another point before I bailout of this discussion;
Does anyone here ever wonder why foreigners in Mexico are sometimes seen and treated like cash dispensaries?
Perhaps it's because we act like that. We do our best to buy approval. What the Mexican buys with a smile, we pay for with cash and see nothing
inequitable in that trade.
It, this superior mindset, has a name...."Noblesse Oblige."
This might explain:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noblesse_oblige
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Bajahowodd
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I find it almost humorous that the Volkswagen workers in Tennessee just voted down the attempt to organize by the UAW.
Volkswagen has 60 assembly plants in the world. Three of them are in Mexico. Every plant worldwide except for the Chattanooga plant is unionized. The
VW management has a long history of working with unions, They may be the best friend of unions of any major manufacturer. They actually encouraged
the workers in Tennessee to vote for the union.
The goobers voted against unionizing. Go figure.
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J.P.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I find it almost humorous that the Volkswagen workers in Tennessee just voted down the attempt to organize by the UAW.
Volkswagen has 60 assembly plants in the world. Three of them are in Mexico. Every plant worldwide except for the Chattanooga plant is unionized. The
VW management has a long history of working with unions, They may be the best friend of unions of any major manufacturer. They actually encouraged
the workers in Tennessee to vote for the union.
The goobers voted against unionizing. Go figure. |
The Union didnt win the Vote but they Won the Battle. Volkswagen will have to be ever vigilant in keeping thier policy and wage standard close to or
better than Union.
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MitchMan
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If you are wealthy, you should tip a great deal. The wealthier you are, the more you should tip. Maybe the amount of a tip should be determined not
by the lack of wealth of the person you are tipping, but by the net worth of the tipper. For example, traffic ticket fines and penalties for legal
infractions should be tied to the net worth of the offender...sort of like means testing.
Follow the money.
It's funny how businesses will alter the amount they pay their employees based on the customary level of tips those employees get. Also, some
positions that get tips can make a great deal of money and get a decent average hourly earnings; earnings that can rival or exceed the average hourly
earnings of a newly credentialed teacher or college graduate in the first five years of their working career.
I once knew a CPA Sr. auditor working for Arthur Anderson who made $2,000 less per year than a cute high school grad who had been doing loan
processing for only 6 months during the mid 80s. Before that, I once knew two high school drop out idiot sons of a lumber yard owner in Orange
County, CA. The father was paying each of his two sons $125,000/yr. Before that, I knew a very successful architect who provided his idiot son with
his own office and a new car for doing nothing and then paid him $8/hr to study for his college classes...to pay him to study in hopes that the kid
would graduate from college.
There are a lot of people getting paid way more than they deserve and others who are getting way less than they deserve...that's why we have so much
lopsided disparity of income and wealth in the world. It's systemic, insidious, pervasive and ubiquitous.
Then I think again about the really bad situation in Paris where the restaurants mandatorily add a 15% to 20% tip to the bill. You get really rude
and offensive treatment by the waiters/waitresses because they know they will get a great tip for sure no matter how badly they serve you. That's not
good.
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basautter
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I usually tip 5-10 pesos for various services, some of which are of not much value. A few pesos to me is nothing, but to them, it's a living.
Another thing I do is give away unopened food when crossing back into the states. People seem to appreciate this.
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beachbum1A
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Udo
My dos centavos:
The grocery bagger: 5 pesos...I generally only get 1-3 bags.
Parking attendant: normally 10P
Gas station: 5P if only gas pets pumped, 10-20 depending on how many widows get cleaned.
Restaurants: at least 10% if so-so service. Those who greet us as we come in, and provide excellent service throughout the meal: 20%
The Red Cross workers: 10-20P
Firemen: 20P
The last two are when they have a stop station at a tope. |
I pretty much agree with Udo except I never tip for gas pumped when no windows are washed - just don't.
Here's a kicker: you're invited to lunch at a sit down restaurant by a gringo friend, the bill arrives and it's approx. $250 pesos. He pays the server
and leaves 5 pesos as a tip! I look at him in disbelief and reach for my wallet - pull out a $20p and some change. He can't understand and is a bit
peeed! I left it anyway and that opened up a conversation on the way to his car about tipping in Mexico (and how cheap he really was!) Sad, sad, sad.
Just do it!
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