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| Quote: | Originally posted by MitchMan
If you are wealthy, you should tip a great deal. The wealthier you are, the more you should tip. Maybe the amount of a tip should be determined not
by the lack of wealth of the person you are tipping, but by the net worth of the tipper. For example, traffic ticket fines and penalties for legal
infractions should be tied to the net worth of the offender...sort of like means testing.
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Mitch........Pleeeeze..........tell me you didn't say this.
You KNOW the great Commie experiment didn't work.
I thought most agreed that tipping was based on quality of service. What happened to that?
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And those parents are the cause of why we now have an entitlement society..........."I don't deserve it because I work for it, I deserve it because I
am here"
Parents, schools and employers should reward success, not failure.
| Quote: | Originally posted by MitchMan
........Before that, I once knew two high school drop out idiot sons of a lumber yard owner in Orange County, CA. The father was paying each of his
two sons $125,000/yr. Before that, I knew a very successful architect who provided his idiot son with his own office and a new car for doing nothing
and then paid him $8/hr to study for his college classes...to pay him to study in hopes that the kid would graduate from college..........
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MitchMan
It's funny how businesses will alter the amount they pay their employees based on the customary level of tips those employees get. Also, some
positions that get tips can make a great deal of money and get a decent average hourly earnings; earnings that can rival or exceed the average hourly
earnings of a newly credentialed teacher or college graduate in the first five years of their working career.
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Yes....and probably no. In service industries where tipping is a traditional and expected part of the workers income, the employer will pay minimum
wage. The quality of service will determine the variable in the pay scale.
We've all, most likely, had a favorite restaurant, and on the staff of that establishment, a favorite waiter/waitress.
We would request the service of our favorite and when the evening was over and the check presented, the gratuity would reflect our level of
appreciation.
Quality of service. That's what we tip for.
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DENNIS
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How many of you tip at McDonalds. I would hope none, but why not? We have to assume these faceless people behind the drive-up window aren't well
off.
Aw,,,,c'mon. Give'm a big fat tip. That would be easier than trying to sort out the difference between sales and service.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
My daughter, my neice, and 2 of my sister-in-laws all lived nicely in the San Diego area back in the '80's on "tips", and two of them even put
themselves thru College almost solely on "tips". They all worked in upscale restaurants and lounges.
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For some, there may be a hidden cost for this windfall of day-to-day riches, depending on how open and honest they were in declaring income to the IRS
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My first time trying to reply to a post, so don't know if this will work. Decided to follow this entire thread to see who some of the folks at
BajaNomad are, and I am enjoying getting to know the cast of characters here...My actual reply is that the US government forces restaurants with 10 or
more employees to "allocate" an across-the-board 8% tip income to all wait staff on the TOTAL of food and beverage sales of the business, and this
invisible "income" is taxed in addition to reported tips. May seem to some folks that this is "fair" but I am betting most of those folks have never
been wait staff.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by susaninlapaz
For some, there may be a hidden cost for this windfall of day-to-day riches, depending on how open and honest they were in declaring income to the IRS
on which Social Security is based. |
My first time trying to reply to a post, so don't know if this will work. |
Works just fine.
Welcome to BajaNomad.
BTW....my reply above was based on the past. In the 60s and 70s, I tended bar in Newport Beach and never paid a peso in tax on tips for 17 years. No
one did in those days.
When I approached SS age, I could see how that would affect my monthly payment, so I worked a bit longer at a high paying job to close the gap.
Since then, things have changed as you mentioned.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
I know a Mexican man very well, about 40 years old. He works as a "wheelchair pusher" at the Alaska terminal (terminal 2) in San Jose del Cabo. He
gets paid nothing. He works strictly for tips. He says that most people think he is an employee of Alaska Airlines and is paid by them for this
customer service. He is not! I asked him what he thought a fair tip is for his service. He said he would like to get US$5 for a push from the
ticket counter upstairs to boarding and waiting with them for boarding and vice versa. He gets maybe 4 or 5 pushes a day because he has to take turns
with several others who do the same thing at this terminal. I asked him who the best tippers are. He said Americans aren't too bad. He said
Canadians (he speaks English, is friendly, and asks where people are from) are generally terrible and when they tip it is usually US$1. But he saves
his greatest scorn for wealthy Mexicans who almost never tip, not even 10p.
We probably over tip, but criticize me if you want. If we see that someone in our group at dinner is stiffing the wait staff, we just quietly hand
the staff some more pesos on our way out. It's no big deal. |
gawddamn the pusher man. geeeze we miss you
Hoyt! |
We probably
over tip also. I disagree with it not being a big deal. We have friends we go out with. Now, we always insist on seperate checks. Got tired of them
sorting centavos, and leaving a dime or 50 cents on a 30 or 40 dollar bill. got tired of me looking like the bad guy. All the while pretending they
dont know what the moneys worth. Two teachers, one a math teacher!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I find it almost humorous that the Volkswagen workers in Tennessee just voted down the attempt to organize by the UAW.
Volkswagen has 60 assembly plants in the world. Three of them are in Mexico. Every plant worldwide except for the Chattanooga plant is unionized. The
VW management has a long history of working with unions, They may be the best friend of unions of any major manufacturer. They actually encouraged
the workers in Tennessee to vote for the union.
The goobers voted against unionizing. Go figure. |
The Union didn't win the Vote but they Won the Battle. Volkswagen will have to be ever vigilant in keeping thier policy and wage standard close to or
better than Union. |
They always have, worldwide. That is a fundamental difference between German business thought and US business thought.
Volkswagen, as is the same with so many German companies, welcomes the idea of well-paid workers that are proud of what they are doing.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
How many of you tip at McDonalds. I would hope none, but why not? We have to assume these faceless people behind the drive-up window aren't well
off.
Aw,,,,c'mon. Give'm a big fat tip. That would be easier than trying to sort out the difference between sales and service. |
You actually raise a great question. Time was when virtually every employee at the local McDonalds was some pimply faced high school kid. But the
demographics have changed. The median age of fast food workers is know way higher.
Wait persons at high end restaurants get huge tips, mostly based on the high menu prices. So it would not be out of bounds to consider that those
middle aged fast food workers ought to be given a propina.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
So it would not be out of bounds to consider that those middle aged fast food workers ought to be given a propina. |
Only if they'll take an out-of-state two party check. 
OK........I'm coming to the conclusion that "service".....good or bad, is no longer part of the tipping equation and has given way to brotherly
efforts to share wealth,........and the fix for an economic downturn has been relegated to the hands of "Joe Consumer" just as wages have by some
unscrupulous, greedy employers.
Jeeeeezo..........what happened here?
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Hey Dennis, would you like "cheese" with that ... 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Hey Dennis, would you like "cheese" with that ... |
Sure, Wiley.......SooperSize it too, while you're at it.
Your tip is in the mail.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
I know a Mexican man very well, about 40 years old. He works as a "wheelchair pusher" at the Alaska terminal (terminal 2) in San Jose del Cabo. He
gets paid nothing. He works strictly for tips. He says that most people think he is an employee of Alaska Airlines and is paid by them for this
customer service. He is not! I asked him what he thought a fair tip is for his service. He said he would like to get US$5 for a push from the
ticket counter upstairs to boarding and waiting with them for boarding and vice versa. He gets maybe 4 or 5 pushes a day because he has to take turns
with several others who do the same thing at this terminal. I asked him who the best tippers are. He said Americans aren't too bad. He said
Canadians (he speaks English, is friendly, and asks where people are from) are generally terrible and when they tip it is usually US$1. But he saves
his greatest scorn for wealthy Mexicans who almost never tip, not even 10p.
We probably over tip, but criticize me if you want. If we see that someone in our group at dinner is stiffing the wait staff, we just quietly hand
the staff some more pesos on our way out. It's no big deal. |
I needed the wheel chair pusher at Tj and after tipping him $5 he said I was cheap and the distance was from the ticket counter to luggage check. I
appreciated the service but the attitude stunk.
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We ate at a small loncheria the other day, and they included an 18% tip on the bill. Two people, lunch, total order less than 200p in food &
sodas. It was on the East Cape but not exactly a gringo center.
Have any of you seen a similar practice anywhere else? Struck me as very odd.
[Edited on 2-17-2014 by chavycha]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chavycha
Have any of you seen a similar practice anywhere else? Struck me as very odd.
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Odd is not the word and I'll bet they don't do that with their Mexican customers.
Vote with your feet on that place.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chavycha
We ate at a small loncheria the other day, and they included an 18% tip on the bill. Two people, lunch, total order less than 200p in food &
sodas. It was on the East Cape but not exactly a gringo center.
Have any of you seen a similar practice anywhere else? Struck me as very odd.
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The East Cape is not exactly a gringo center?
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Well it's not quite Bahia Concepcion!
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I am with a MX girl, and we live in MX we are not on vacation. By our standards she doesn't give much. But she almost always gives something. 2 or
4 pesos at the grocery market, 5 pesos at the PEMEX assuming he washed the windows. Now and then a few pesos to the guy in the street. Never more
than 10% - often much less - when we eat out. Nothing at roadside taco stands, nothing to collectivo taxis. In fact never tip the taxi guys, even
regular taxis - get in agree on price and go.
Yesterday I dropped her off at her collectivo to go to work and someone approached saying they were desperate hungry. Most of the people in the taxi
gave a few pesos. My girl gave her breakfast.
Often we picnic in the park or at the beach and people come and ask for food. She almost never gives money but she will make just about anyone a
sandwich.
She can tell in 5 seconds where they are from in MX, how much education they had, and if they are truly needy or just looking for their next globo
just by listening to their accent and words.
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I never had any idea what any of the workers made...until I started asking once I got to know a few of the locals. The coffee barrista, works 6
days/week, 8 hours/day for 800p/week ..roughly $62/week. I then mentioned his tips...said the most he made in a day was $5. That most people tossed
in 2-3 pesos thinking that was 'alot'....many didn't tip at all. Or they tossed in small US change which he cannot exchange at a local bank. Not
many folks can survive on $62/week. And he too informed me that in many restaurants they receive tips only...no regular pay. So I am very
conscious now in my efforts to tip those who have provided services...
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