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gilmarlin
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Temporary or Permanent Residency in Baja...
I own a house in San Felipe, I had an FM3 which I obtained through the local FM2/3 specialist, but I allowed it to lapse over a year ago because of
all the confusion regarding the renewal of it. I was advised this time to apply for a Permanent Resident card myself at the Consulate in Calexico. Now
I'm confused and wonder if that is what I need to get. Is there another status that I should apply for as a property owner? I was advised that I
needed some kind of resident card in case I have any legal disputes regarding my property. Thanks for any information...
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monoloco
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You cannot simply let an FM3 lapse, you need to apply for permission to dissolve it. If you reapply for a permanent or temporary residency, you will
probably owe a multa. (fine)
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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meme
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You also must start all over with FM & cannot apply directly for a PR card.
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gilmarlin
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I was told that if I tried to renew my FM3 there would be major penalties and that I should just start over. I was then told to go ahead and apply for
permanent residency so I don't have to deal with it every 4-5 years. I'm now hearing from friends and here that with a PR card you may be required to
register your car in Mexico. I get different answers from everyone I speak to and no one is able to just tell me definitely what the process is, even
the people that used to handle my FM3 for me. I am a seasoned Baja traveler, renter and property owner, speak Spanish and I am still confused as what
to do...
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rts551
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You are going to get multiple answers here as well!
You need to make the decision yourself on what you think is the right thing for YOU.
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gnukid
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If you go back and forth maybe you don't need a formal temp/perm visa.
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Bob and Susan
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you own a house in san felipe...
go to your local IMN office and start a process...
do what they tell you to do...
don't listen to anyone else...your local people will assist you
it is what it is
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gilmarlin
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I'm going down Monday for the race, I have every document, bank statement, letter of character, photos in three sizes in triplicate!!! Maybe I'll try
again starting in San Felipe at IMN and see what they say. If that doesn't work, I'll stop at the Calexico Mexican Consulate and try there. The spirit
of Nafta and cross border cooperation will be my guide... 
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CortezBlue
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I didn't read through all of these posts, but your "local expert," did you no favors. You have no option for perm res status because it lapsed. You
must start over from scratch for 4 consecutive years and then you can apply for PR.
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gilmarlin
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I'll let you know how it goes...
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CortezBlue
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Do us all a favor and ask the question, "do we have to tag our vehicles with Mexico plates if we have a PR?"
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Pescador
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CortezBlue
Do us all a favor and ask the question, "do we have to tag our vehicles with Mexico plates if we have a PR?" |
That is like asking the Highway Patrol in California if you have to pay your taxes. Immigration has nothing to do or say on that matter and questions
should be directed to the Federal Highway People. (Pandas, black and white cars)
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Bajajorge
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I think Permanente just causes gringos a lot of grief at this time. I'm probably going to stick with an FM until Mexico figures out what they're going
to demand from those with Permanente status. At this time Permanente sounds like a lot of unnecessary aggravation.
Why do Liberals insist and demand that achievers pay the way for nonachievers who are to lazy to succeed, or are just failures by their own choice?
Criminals prefer unarmed victims, dictators prefer unarmed subjects.
Why do ignorant people continue their blabbering when it only proves to others how stupid they are.
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ncampion
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We are considering the same thing. The RP/RT seems to come with too many strings. The only other consideration that I understand is that in order to
leave property in Mexico (e.g. house, furniture, boat etc.) you must have an RP/RT. FM only lets you "visit". Any comments on this?
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MitchMan
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Last June when I applied for and received my RP, I brought the issue up with the INM people at the counter concerning having to get Mexican plates for
my truck. Across the board they said no and that driving a US plated vehicle in Baja while being an RP was no problem. There happened to be two
independent attorneys listening to me as I was discussing this with INM people and one of the attorneys chimed in and supported what the INM people
were asserting; that there is no legal problem.
Then, I showed them a document on government letterhead that clearly asserted a very strong and substantiated position that it is a problem, even in
the Baja. Those two attorneys took 'pause', stopped asserting their support of the INM people (who, at the time, were not even aware of the
controversy), and left in total consternation. One of the Attorneys said that he was scheduled for a meeting with some Aduana officials and would
follow up on the issue with them. I received two emails from that attorney over the next month with nothing definitive.
I have decided to take the position of 'wait and see', realizing that the reality on the street and actual policy/enforcement in Mexico is simply
'unofficial' in nature. Following the advice of the more experienced Nomads, and taking the position that 'experienced motis operandi' in Baja is
often more reliable than the actual technical legalities, I feel comfortable not nationalizing my truck just yet, even though I feel quite certain
that actual law currently, as is, supports legally having to nationalize the truck here in Baja.
I do have a litmus test for this. If I learn of periodic and current actual confiscations taking place in the Baja, other than in Cabo, and such
confiscations are reported by those with first hand actual knowledge of such confiscations, I will then quickly nationalize my
truck.
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Russ
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After rolling my car I was not once asked what my visa status was. I'm inmagrato and worry about the having Ca. plate too but no one was concerned
about it. Just have gringo insurance. You would hope that if it was a big deal the insurance provider would ask questions. I also believe that Bob
& Susan are correct. Deal with the local INS office. I tried to get around paying a fine once by having the Tacate INS renew my FM-3 and the next
year the Santa Rosalia folks nailed me saying one has to use the local office for renewals.
Good Luck!
Bahia Concepcion where life starts...given a chance!
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steekers
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Hi Gilmarlin,
I also have same problem and was told by Lolita's by the Pemex in San Felipe to visit the Calexico consulate. The local office can't help us on this.
I will also be going there in the next day or so. If you go there please let us know hat they tell you.
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nbacc
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We got perm without even asking,..............hummmmmmmmmmm Just went into the consulate for a temp. and walked out with a perm
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steekers
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Great. What questions did they ask? What docs do they need? Do they have a minimum monthly income requirement and need to show bank statements?
Was this the Calexico office?
Thanks
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prt328
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I am a RP and was very concerned about driving a US plated car in Mexico. My basic conclusion is that until the border towns start requiring TIPS for
ANYONE driving down the Baja, regardless of status, then there is no reason to worry about it. Only when the borders start requiring TIPS, based on
destination or immigration status, will I worry about about it.
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