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mtgoat666
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New Mega-Development Proposed Near Cabo Pulmo
 THREAT OF DESTRUCTION AGAIN!
http://www.wildcoast.net/media-center/news/1050
A brand new mega-development proposal adjacent to Mexico’s Cabo Pulmo National Park has been registered with the Enviromental Secretary (SEMARNAT)
asking for permits to build.
This is the third time in recent years that a major real-estate development that would threaten the reserve’s crucial coral reef system and vibrant
sea life is proposed on this exact site.
The new proposed development is called “Cabo Dorado,” and is planned on 3,770 hectares neighboring Cabo Pulmo. They plan to build nine hotels, and
14,043 condos, two professional golf courses and one for practice.
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jbcoug
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Boo, just say NO!!!!!
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Bajahowodd
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I guess the idea is if you fail, just keep trying.
The problem with resort development in Mexico is that graft works. I remember the days when La Playita was just a sleepy village down a dirt road from
San Jose. Pangas lined up on the beach. Now, the whole area is Puerto Los Cabos.
Althought I also hope this effort will fail, I'm not optimistic.
Geez. The first time I was ever at what is now known as Riviera Maya (Playa Del Carmen), I arrived by ferry from Cozumel. There were three rickety
buildings there. Now, it's not much different from Cancun.
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dtbushpilot
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Not likely to happen any time soon...
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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Not good news considering that it's Chinese money this time.
What hasn't changed is the fact that there is no water, (desal still not cost-effective), and the north wind blows the months that most resort types
would potentially want to be there, (December through March).
With Cabo Rivera on the ropes just up the road in La Ribera, I would hope this latest mega resort idea would never get off the ground. It breaks my
heart what has happened to San Lucas in a relatively short 25/30 years. Enough is enough, BASTA!
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willardguy
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9 hotels, 14,000 condo's, no water? is it possible there is water there, just not tapped? good wells are springing up around gonzaga, its just that
nobody had looked before.
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Desalinization as a source of water for large scale developments in Baja Sur is a "pie in the sky" scheme. Large desal plants use enormous amounts of
electricity that's simply not available here.
How much energy is required to retrieve the salt from the seawater?
In theory, calculation shows that 1 kWh is enough to produce one ton of fresh water from seawater. However this assumes a perfect thermodynamic and
mechanical system which is not possible to build. In practical terms a desalination system will require 7 to 18 kWh/m3 depending on the corresponding
investment.
Desalination systems vapour consumption is usually measured by giving how many kilos of fresh water are produced from one single kilo of steam
entering the system. This number, the so-called Gain Output Ratio (GOR), will vary from 6 to 7 for classical plants up to 16 and more for plants
equipped with the latest technology.
This figure however does not show properly how steam quality will impact on plant design: the higher the steam supply pressure the more velocity it
will provide by expansion, the more suction it will generate and the bigger recovery it will enable thus enhancing overall efficiency. This is why the
higher the steam pressure the lower the investment cost for a given GOR. A GOR 8 unit fed with 3 bar steam will cost some 20% more than the same GOR
with 20 bar steam.
In addition to steam consumption one has to consider electrical power for pumps. The MSF process requires a large flow of seawater or brine to be
circulated in condensers. This results in a specific electrical consumption of 3 to 4 kWh/m3 for MSF plants. This is to be compared to specific
consumption of MED plants where no such circulation is required: 1,5 kWh/m3. This is the particular point for which MED now supersedes MSF. By going
for MED an Independent Power and Water Company will save some 3 kWh per cubic meter produced: this additional power will be delivered to the network
and will generate additional income. This will result in reduced cost of power and water produced by the plant when compared to MSF.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Mega Project # 301,992,006,568,192,211
Has it made it to the full color brochure stage yet?
Nine hundred thousand to one it doesn't get to the annoying spam stage.
I forgot where Nautical Stairway fit, somewhere in the middle.
Oriental funding looked at developing San Blas, Nayarit, several decades ago. They set out insect traps with the intent of collecting them weeks
later. A few hours passed and they were overflowing. Bet it was a long ride home across the wide Pacific.
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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Bajahowodd
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For over 20 years, the hotel/ resort developments in and around Los Cabos have installed de-sal plants. So, providing water to this project would
appear only dependent on electricity.
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Link to Hansard Urbana's Cabo Cortez Project in BCS:
http://www.nrdc.org/international/files/Baja%20Investor%20Br...
This report is an interesting read from the conservation perspective that includes arguments against development, desalinization and brief summaries
of studies, including tourism data in the area.
When the way comes to an end, then change. Having changed, you pass through.
~ I-Ching
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Bajahowodd
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Interesting study. I didn't realize that the project was going to be nearly five miles from Cabo Pulmo. I guess that a fair question would be just how
far away is far away enough.
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If the Chinese actually build it that pristine beach will look just like this one in their homeland.
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never succeed without a jet port closer than SJDC. Phasing would be 20 years given lax demand and other competition. I would not be too concerned over
it.
But...the Chicoms have dough and engineering know how.
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The problem with so many of these projects is that even though they never get finished, they get in long enough to muck everything up.
\"The average dog is a nicer person than the average person.\" Andy Rooney
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I signed the petition to stop this project at the organic market Saturday.
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
If the Chinese actually build it that pristine beach will look just like this one in their homeland.
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Do you seriously believe that? Chinese money does not mean Chinese lifestyle.
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I have heard there was a meeting in La Paz about this project and it has been approved??!! Does anyone know anything about this?
If so, it is time for voices to be heard!! From what I have read there are are 20,00 rooms in San Jose alone and this project's goal is at least this
amount, despite the fact that most in San Jose are vacant during the high season.
As mentioned, these projects often proceed and then become essentially a ghost town (think Loreto) This project is a devastating example of money run
amok in an area that can not even begin to sustain this kind of demand on local resources. I will rue the day when we try to explain to our
grandchildren what a healthy reef was and what animals inhabited ecosystems around the world..
I guess we will dose any remaining animals with Prozac to deafen their grief, ala Marineworld
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The Governor of Baja Sur came to La Ribera, East Cape, just west of the intended project (Cabo Dorado) yesterday to meet with an official of the
Chinese development company about the project.
1. It was a very short meeting
2. We are all hoping Wildcoast and a host of other conservationist groups which were (so far) successful in killing the applications of Cabo Cortez
and other previous would-be developers for this location, are on top of what's happening and are active in La Paz and Los Cabos to once again
proactively bring watchdog pressure to regulators as before.
[Edited on 4-5-2014 by Osprey]
[Edited on 4-5-2014 by Osprey]
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Short meeting indeed. Doesn't take long to hand over a suitcase full of cash.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by windgrrl
Link to Hansard Urbana's Cabo Cortez Project in BCS:
http://www.nrdc.org/international/files/Baja%20Investor%20Br...
This report is an interesting read from the conservation perspective that includes arguments against development, desalinization and brief summaries
of studies, including tourism data in the area. |
After reading that report I have decided not to invest.  Wonder if someone
can translate that into mandarin?
Have only been to Cabo Pulmo area once very briefly. Need to get back there for an extended visit.
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