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[*] posted on 4-12-2014 at 04:57 PM


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What's wrong with Santa Rosaliita?

BTW
I think that in January though April schedules to Ojo De Libre would be sold out.

And Shari would have to hire employees to handle all the WHALEMAGIC tours.
you gotta toss an extra "L" in there to be cool:coolup:
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[*] posted on 4-12-2014 at 04:59 PM


ROSALILLITA

Just remember Rosa Lillita. Two L's. Double LL's Think double LL sound of "Y"

Rosaluyyeetuh.

Ok, someone correct me. =)




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[*] posted on 4-12-2014 at 05:05 PM




I know, I'm turning into David K.

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[*] posted on 4-12-2014 at 05:12 PM


bruce wanted to call rosalita(come out tonight) rosalillita, but it would have sounded too much like BTO :lol:
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[*] posted on 4-12-2014 at 05:18 PM


Ha Willard, had to Google BTO.............



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[*] posted on 4-12-2014 at 05:31 PM


They should build a cruise ship harbor at this spot:





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[*] posted on 4-13-2014 at 09:03 AM


"We were going to those places when there was nothing out there.. . not any more."
As soon as the ship leaves a few hours later, they turn back into small, quiet villages. All the beach vendors with their tourist trinkets disappear, the "scuba" shop closes; no ATVs; and there are hardly any other tourists (actually I didn't see any). I had an entire beachside campground all to myself in Mahajual - $5/nt. There was a coffee shack just down the road for brewed coffee in the AM; the tamale truck came by with three kinds of tamales for 50 cents. I would definitely go back there again.

But I can't see that happening in Sta Rosalillita. They would need a really long, expensive pier for disembarking passengers. The village of Sta Rosalillita just isn't very picturesque - would not look appealing in a cruise brochure.
A container port in El Sauzal and a train to Otay - my my - big dreams. Let the land grab begin.
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[*] posted on 4-13-2014 at 04:52 PM


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"We were going to those places when there was nothing out there.. . not any more."
As soon as the ship leaves a few hours later, they turn back into small, quiet villages. All the beach vendors with their tourist trinkets disappear, the "scuba" shop closes; no ATVs; and there are hardly any other tourists (actually I didn't see any). I had an entire beachside campground all to myself in Mahajual - $5/nt. There was a coffee shack just down the road for brewed coffee in the AM; the tamale truck came by with three kinds of tamales for 50 cents. I would definitely go back there again.

But I can't see that happening in Sta Rosalillita. They would need a really long, expensive pier for disembarking passengers. The village of Sta Rosalillita just isn't very picturesque - would not look appealing in a cruise brochure.
A container port in El Sauzal and a train to Otay - my my - big dreams. Let the land grab begin.


There's no pier in Cabo, or many other ports of call around the world. The ships anchor and they ferry the passengers in using the lifeboats. Same could happen even here.
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[*] posted on 4-13-2014 at 04:54 PM


Same thing happens in sausalito....



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[*] posted on 4-13-2014 at 05:25 PM


Thanks Willard, but the spell checker on my Mac does not understand Spanish. I'll just have to add it correctlty spelled into the dictionary


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What's wrong with Santa Rosaliita?

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I think that in January though April schedules to Ojo De Libre would be sold out.

And Shari would have to hire employees to handle all the WHALEMAGIC tours.
you gotta toss an extra "L" in there to be cool:coolup:




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[*] posted on 4-13-2014 at 05:27 PM


No way to land passengers, unless they do it off lanchas. The closest thing that comes to a pier is the rock jetty they now have.


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"We were going to those places when there was nothing out there.. . not any more."
As soon as the ship leaves a few hours later, they turn back into small, quiet villages. All the beach vendors with their tourist trinkets disappear, the "scuba" shop closes; no ATVs; and there are hardly any other tourists (actually I didn't see any). I had an entire beachside campground all to myself in Mahajual - $5/nt. There was a coffee shack just down the road for brewed coffee in the AM; the tamale truck came by with three kinds of tamales for 50 cents. I would definitely go back there again.

But I can't see that happening in Sta Rosalillita. They would need a really long, expensive pier for disembarking passengers. The village of Sta Rosalillita just isn't very picturesque - would not look appealing in a cruise brochure.
A container port in El Sauzal and a train to Otay - my my - big dreams. Let the land grab begin.


There's no pier in Cabo, or many other ports of call around the world. The ships anchor and they ferry the passengers in using the lifeboats. Same could happen even here.




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[*] posted on 4-13-2014 at 05:50 PM


and what would the attraction be? the Escalera to Bay of LA??? I'm guessing they'll create an even better wave when they rearrange the jetty to accomadate the ships. it is SHALLOW out there....



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[*] posted on 4-13-2014 at 06:46 PM


Quote:
Originally posted by wilderone
"We were going to those places when there was nothing out there.. . not any more."
As soon as the ship leaves a few hours later, they turn back into small, quiet villages. All the beach vendors with their tourist trinkets disappear, the "scuba" shop closes; no ATVs; and there are hardly any other tourists (actually I didn't see any). I had an entire beachside campground all to myself in Mahajual - $5/nt. There was a coffee shack just down the road for brewed coffee in the AM; the tamale truck came by with three kinds of tamales for 50 cents. I would definitely go back there again.

But I can't see that happening in Sta Rosalillita. They would need a really long, expensive pier for disembarking passengers. The village of Sta Rosalillita just isn't very picturesque - would not look appealing in a cruise brochure.
A container port in El Sauzal and a train to Otay - my my - big dreams. Let the land grab begin.


And I see no change to Xcalak...60 km south, so there's little cruise ship impact...except some cruise ship garbage that washes ashore. Majahual has changed significantly since it was a small fishing village...and much of that change happened after the hurricane that caused substantial damage to the center...it now looks a lot like a mini Playa del Carmen! It's absolutely true that the town shuts down when the ships leave. The upside is that a Pemex station went in, and no more need to get gas from drums any more!
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[*] posted on 4-13-2014 at 10:36 PM


They won't be bringing the ship inside the breakwater, they may dredge the harbor (continually) enough to get their shore boats in to the existing facility there, or they will build a pier that reaches past the wave zone.

They don't need, or probably want, any existing touristic infrastructure, they prefer to build their own shops that they staff with employees rather than share the profits with a local shop owner.

The proximity to Scammons provides all they need to justify the construction, so they can tap into the Safari/Un-cruise/Lindblad expeditions adventure travel market.

They will build a Disney-ized version of a Baja town, like they have done in Ketchikan and Juneau. If the costs were shared between several cruise companies (like their private islands in the Caribbean) they can do pretty much whatever they want.

Bus/panga trips to see the gray whales, fleets of quads and Unimogs up the beach to the north, burro wranglers on the beach, in-house sport fishing charters, a nice beach side day spa..................
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[*] posted on 4-14-2014 at 04:52 PM


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and what would the attraction be? the Escalera to Bay of LA??? I'm guessing they'll create an even better wave when they rearrange the jetty to accomadate the ships. it is SHALLOW out there....


I mentioned it much earlier. Many cruise lines have a stop ay what they call "out islands". They usually own or lease them. They are usually sparsely inhabited with little services. What the cruise lines do is throw a big beach party. They ferry off tons of food and drink and also entertainment. That could happen in this case.
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[*] posted on 4-14-2014 at 04:54 PM


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They won't be bringing the ship inside the breakwater, they may dredge the harbor (continually) enough to get their shore boats in to the existing facility there, or they will build a pier that reaches past the wave zone.

They don't need, or probably want, any existing touristic infrastructure, they prefer to build their own shops that they staff with employees rather than share the profits with a local shop owner.

The proximity to Scammons provides all they need to justify the construction, so they can tap into the Safari/Un-cruise/Lindblad expeditions adventure travel market.

They will build a Disney-ized version of a Baja town, like they have done in Ketchikan and Juneau. If the costs were shared between several cruise companies (like their private islands in the Caribbean) they can do pretty much whatever they want.

Bus/panga trips to see the gray whales, fleets of quads and Unimogs up the beach to the north, burro wranglers on the beach, in-house sport fishing charters, a nice beach side day spa..................


Scammons, as you call it, is fiercely protected by the Mexican environmental authorities, It will not become a playground for thousands of cruise ship tourists. As far as I know, there are only six local pangas, operated by the local Ejido allowed on the lagoon at any one time.
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[*] posted on 4-14-2014 at 04:56 PM


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[*] posted on 4-15-2014 at 10:23 PM


They can't keep sand out of the jetty.
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[*] posted on 4-15-2014 at 11:04 PM


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and what would the attraction be? the Escalera to Bay of LA??? I'm guessing they'll create an even better wave when they rearrange the jetty to accomadate the ships. it is SHALLOW out there....
think la salina. ;)
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[*] posted on 4-15-2014 at 11:18 PM


The harbor of Santa Rosalillita is reached by its own paved road to Hwy. 1... You do not need to go through the little village of Santa Rosalillita when traveling to/ from the harbor.

It is far too small for cruise ships, but their launches could bring people ashore... and then they could be bused on tours to San Borja mission, the desert, Scammon's Lagoon (or as Mexico calls it 'Ojo de Liebre').

However, there is an existing harbor at Guerrero Negro that ran from 1957-1968 (approx.) before the salt loading was moved to Scammon's (Ojo de Liebre) Lagoon. Why not adapt the old port for pangas from cruise ships, or bring the cruise ship (if possible) right to the dock at Black Warrior Lagoon (Laguna Guerrero Negro)?




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