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| willardguy 
 
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 you gotta toss an extra "L" in
there to be cool| Quote: |  | Originally posted by Udo What's wrong with Santa Rosaliita?
 
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 I think that in January though April schedules to Ojo De Libre would be sold out.
 
 And Shari would have to hire employees to handle all the WHALEMAGIC tours.
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| Ateo 
 
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 ROSALILLITA
 
 Just remember Rosa Lillita.  Two L's.  Double LL's  Think double LL sound of "Y"
 
 Rosaluyyeetuh.
 
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| Ateo 
 
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 I know, I'm turning into David K.
 
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| willardguy 
 
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 bruce wanted to call rosalita(come out tonight) rosalillita, but it would have sounded too much like BTO
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| Ateo 
 
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 Ha Willard, had to Google BTO.............
 
 
 
 
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 They should build a cruise ship harbor at this spot:
 
 
   
 
 
 
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 "We were going to those places when there was nothing out there.. . not any more."
 As soon as the ship leaves a few hours later, they turn back into small, quiet villages.  All the beach vendors with their tourist trinkets disappear,
the "scuba" shop closes; no ATVs; and there are hardly any other tourists (actually I didn't see any).  I had an entire beachside campground all to
myself in Mahajual - $5/nt.  There was a coffee shack just down the road for brewed coffee in the AM; the tamale truck came by with three kinds of
tamales for 50 cents.  I would definitely go back there again.
 
 But I can't see that happening in Sta Rosalillita.  They would need a really long, expensive pier for disembarking passengers.  The village of Sta
Rosalillita just isn't very picturesque - would not look appealing in a cruise brochure.
 A container port in El Sauzal and a train to Otay - my my - big dreams. Let the land grab begin.
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| Bajahowodd 
 
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 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by wilderone "We were going to those places when there was nothing out there.. . not any more."
 As soon as the ship leaves a few hours later, they turn back into small, quiet villages.  All the beach vendors with their tourist trinkets disappear,
the "scuba" shop closes; no ATVs; and there are hardly any other tourists (actually I didn't see any).  I had an entire beachside campground all to
myself in Mahajual - $5/nt.  There was a coffee shack just down the road for brewed coffee in the AM; the tamale truck came by with three kinds of
tamales for 50 cents.  I would definitely go back there again.
 
 But I can't see that happening in Sta Rosalillita.  They would need a really long, expensive pier for disembarking passengers.  The village of Sta
Rosalillita just isn't very picturesque - would not look appealing in a cruise brochure.
 A container port in El Sauzal and a train to Otay - my my - big dreams. Let the land grab begin.
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 There's no pier in Cabo, or many other ports of call around the world. The ships anchor and they ferry the passengers in using the lifeboats. Same
could happen even here.
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| chuckie 
 
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 Same thing happens in sausalito....
 
 
 
 
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| Udo 
 
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 Thanks Willard, but the spell checker on my Mac does not understand Spanish. I'll just have to add it correctlty spelled into the dictionary
 
 
 
 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by willardguy 
 you gotta toss an extra "L" in
there to be cool| Quote: |  | Originally posted by Udo What's wrong with Santa Rosaliita?
 
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 I think that in January though April schedules to Ojo De Libre would be sold out.
 
 And Shari would have to hire employees to handle all the WHALEMAGIC tours.
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 No way to land passengers, unless they do it off lanchas. The closest thing that comes to a pier is the rock jetty they now have.
 
 
 
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 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by wilderone "We were going to those places when there was nothing out there.. . not any more."
 As soon as the ship leaves a few hours later, they turn back into small, quiet villages.  All the beach vendors with their tourist trinkets disappear,
the "scuba" shop closes; no ATVs; and there are hardly any other tourists (actually I didn't see any).  I had an entire beachside campground all to
myself in Mahajual - $5/nt.  There was a coffee shack just down the road for brewed coffee in the AM; the tamale truck came by with three kinds of
tamales for 50 cents.  I would definitely go back there again.
 
 But I can't see that happening in Sta Rosalillita.  They would need a really long, expensive pier for disembarking passengers.  The village of Sta
Rosalillita just isn't very picturesque - would not look appealing in a cruise brochure.
 A container port in El Sauzal and a train to Otay - my my - big dreams. Let the land grab begin.
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 There's no pier in Cabo, or many other ports of call around the world. The ships anchor and they ferry the passengers in using the lifeboats. Same
could happen even here.
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| woody with a view 
 
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 and what would the attraction be? the Escalera to Bay of LA??? I'm guessing they'll create an even better wave when they rearrange the jetty to
accomadate the ships. it is SHALLOW out there....
 
 
 
 
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| elizabeth 
 
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 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by wilderone "We were going to those places when there was nothing out there.. . not any more."
 As soon as the ship leaves a few hours later, they turn back into small, quiet villages.  All the beach vendors with their tourist trinkets disappear,
the "scuba" shop closes; no ATVs; and there are hardly any other tourists (actually I didn't see any).  I had an entire beachside campground all to
myself in Mahajual - $5/nt.  There was a coffee shack just down the road for brewed coffee in the AM; the tamale truck came by with three kinds of
tamales for 50 cents.  I would definitely go back there again.
 
 But I can't see that happening in Sta Rosalillita.  They would need a really long, expensive pier for disembarking passengers.  The village of Sta
Rosalillita just isn't very picturesque - would not look appealing in a cruise brochure.
 A container port in El Sauzal and a train to Otay - my my - big dreams. Let the land grab begin.
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 And I see no change to Xcalak...60 km south, so there's little cruise ship impact...except some cruise ship garbage that washes ashore. Majahual has
changed significantly since it was a small fishing village...and much of that change happened after the hurricane that caused substantial damage to
the center...it now looks a lot like a mini Playa del Carmen! It's absolutely true that the town shuts down when the ships leave. The upside is that a
Pemex station went in, and no more need to get gas from drums any more!
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 They won't be bringing the ship inside the breakwater, they may dredge the harbor (continually) enough to get their shore boats in to the existing
facility there, or they will build a pier that reaches past the wave zone.
 
 They don't need, or probably want, any existing touristic infrastructure, they prefer to build their own shops that they staff with employees rather
than share the profits with a local shop owner.
 
 The proximity to Scammons provides all they need to justify the construction, so they can tap into the Safari/Un-cruise/Lindblad expeditions adventure
travel market.
 
 They will build a Disney-ized version of a Baja town, like they have done in Ketchikan and Juneau. If the costs were shared between several cruise
companies (like their private islands in the Caribbean) they can do pretty much whatever they want.
 
 Bus/panga trips to see the gray whales, fleets of quads and Unimogs up the beach to the north, burro wranglers on the beach, in-house sport fishing
charters, a nice beach side day spa..................
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| Bajahowodd 
 
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 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by woody with a view and what would the attraction be? the Escalera to Bay of LA??? I'm guessing they'll create an even better wave when they rearrange the jetty to
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 I mentioned it much earlier. Many cruise lines have a stop ay what they call "out islands". They usually own or lease them. They are usually sparsely
inhabited with little services. What the cruise lines do is throw a big beach party. They ferry off tons of food and drink and also entertainment.
That could happen in this case.
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 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by Islandbuilder They won't be bringing the ship inside the breakwater, they may dredge the harbor (continually) enough to get their shore boats in to the existing
facility there, or they will build a pier that reaches past the wave zone.
 
 They don't need, or probably want, any existing touristic infrastructure, they prefer to build their own shops that they staff with employees rather
than share the profits with a local shop owner.
 
 The proximity to Scammons provides all they need to justify the construction, so they can tap into the Safari/Un-cruise/Lindblad expeditions adventure
travel market.
 
 They will build a Disney-ized version of a Baja town, like they have done in Ketchikan and Juneau. If the costs were shared between several cruise
companies (like their private islands in the Caribbean) they can do pretty much whatever they want.
 
 Bus/panga trips to see the gray whales, fleets of quads and Unimogs up the beach to the north, burro wranglers on the beach, in-house sport fishing
charters, a nice beach side day spa..................
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 Scammons, as you call it, is fiercely protected by the Mexican environmental authorities, It will not become a playground for thousands of cruise ship
tourists. As far as I know, there are only six local pangas, operated by the local Ejido allowed on the lagoon at any one time.
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| chuckie 
 
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| bajachris 
 
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 They can't keep sand out of the jetty.
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| willardguy 
 
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 think la salina.| Quote: |  | Originally posted by woody with a view and what would the attraction be? the Escalera to Bay of LA??? I'm guessing they'll create an even better wave when they rearrange the jetty to
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| David K 
 
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 The harbor of Santa Rosalillita is reached by its own paved road to Hwy. 1... You do not need to go through the little village of Santa Rosalillita
when traveling to/ from the harbor.
 
 It is far too small for cruise ships, but their launches could bring people ashore... and then they could be bused on tours to San Borja mission, the
desert, Scammon's Lagoon (or as Mexico calls it 'Ojo de Liebre').
 
 However, there is an existing harbor at Guerrero Negro that ran from 1957-1968 (approx.) before the salt loading was moved to Scammon's (Ojo de
Liebre) Lagoon. Why not adapt the old port for pangas from cruise ships, or bring the cruise ship (if possible) right to the dock at Black Warrior
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