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deanfootlong
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I've never bothered with getting one when going south of San Felipe. This next trip I'll be headed south of Ensenada tho. guess i should get one. If
I'm crossing SY at 630am is the fmm office open?
[Edited on 5-8-2014 by deanfootlong]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajayan
I thought it was to just south of Ensenada, but read on a couple of websites it's been extended to San Quintin. I can't find anything reliable to
back it up...
Anyone know the current extent of this zone, and where the checkpoint is or should be?
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Driving into Baja
U.S. and Canadian citizens who visit the immediate border zone or the city of Ensenada do not need to obtain a tourist card, provided the length of
the stay does not exceed 72 hours. For travel beyond Maneadero on the Pacific coast or south of Mexicali on Highway 5, a tourist card is officially
required for each individual visitor, regardless of age. (Note: San Felipe is considered Mexicali)
If your are not a Mexican citizen and you intend on staying for more than seven (7) days in any region of Mexico, you are obligated to pay a
Non-Immigrant Fee (D.N.I) which costs $210.00 pesos (approx. $20.00 dollars), payable at any Mexican Bank. However, the fee is waived for any
travelers staying less than 7 days.
Only non-U.S. residents must present passports and visas for entry. U.S. citizens need only proof of citizenship, such as a copy of your birth
certificate, to re-enter California.
Driving through Sonora
In addition to Rocky Point (Puerto Peñasco), visitors to the state of Sonora are now able to drive directly to cities like San Carlos, Guaymas,
Hermosillo, Magdalena, Kino Bay and Santa Ana, without obtaining a temporary vehicle importation permit. Travelers are required to have proof of US
citizenship, a valid driver’s license and vehicle registration.
If you are only driving to any of the border cities or Puerto Peñasco (Rocky Point) declared as a FREE ZONE, no immigration permit is required. If
traveling beyond 21 km south, an immigration permit is required and can be obtained at the Customs checkpoints by presenting:
Valid US passport or Birth Certificate and a government issued photo ID (i.e. driver’s license)
In Km. 98 of Empalme, ends the free circulation zone for vehicles of foreign citizens and Mexicans living abroad; from this point, it is necessary for
all vehicles to have a temporary importation permit, to avoid having their vehicle impounded by the customs authorities.
[Edited on 5-8-2014 by CortezBlue]
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David K
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Interesting, but how old is that? Because I can tell you a PASSPORT is mandatory for Mexico INM to issue an FMM.
A Birth Certificate with photo ID is no longer accepted by Mexico.
On the return into the U.S., the border guard can let you through or send you to secondary to verify your citizenship if you do not have a PASSPORT or
Passport Card or other new ID on the list.
As for San Felipe being 'part of Mexicali' yes... it is in Mexicali 'county' (municipality). However, the same should be true of Ensenada... whose
municipality goes to the border with Baja CA Sur (2 miles north of Guerrero Negro)? If Ensenada is in the no FMM needed for 72 hours zone, then all of
the state of Baja CA would be covered. Not sure how many go that far for 3 days or less, however.
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sancho
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CortezBlue
U.S. citizens need only proof of citizenship, such as a copy of your birth certificate, to re-enter California
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Wosrt quote I've ever read re: US Immigration regs, totally
100% incorrect, way out of date, check your info. Check any CBP site, for land
crossings back into the US, they require a US Passport or
US Passport Card, if you are referring to enforcement of
Passport regs, we all know that those Passport regs are not
currently enforced, what does entering Ca. from Mex, as opposed to say Texas or other US border state have any
bearing on Passport requirements? It is US Fed Immigration
regs
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dasubergeek
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
| Quote: | Originally posted by CortezBlue
U.S. citizens need only proof of citizenship, such as a copy of your birth certificate, to re-enter California
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Wosrt quote I've ever read re: US Immigration regs, totally
100% incorrect, way out of date, check your info. Check any CBP site, for land
crossings back into the US, they require a US Passport or
US Passport Card, if you are referring to enforcement of
Passport regs, we all know that those Passport regs are not
currently enforced, what does entering Ca. from Mex, as opposed to say Texas or other US border state have any
bearing on Passport requirements? It is US Fed Immigration
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They will admit you without a passport if you are a U.S. citizen—it's illegal for them to deny you entry to your own country—but they don't have to
admit anything you have with you. Generally they mock you and sometimes send you to secondary.
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sancho
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dasubergeek
They will admit you without a passport if you are a U.S. citizen |
The fact that the Passport regs are not being enforced
does not change the policy of CBP.
CBP will admit you back with no ID whatsoever, birth
cert, DL, nada, but that is not CBP written, printed
policy. To portray it differently is inaccurate
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Bajahowodd
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Again., although the passport requirement to get back into the US is somewhat a joke, it does really slow down transit.
That said, if you are traveling long and far into Baja, you MUST have a passport because the Mexican IMM will not issue you an FMM without one.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CortezBlue
U.S. and Canadian citizens who visit the immediate border zone or the city of Ensenada do not need to obtain a tourist card, provided the length of
the stay does not exceed 72 hours. For travel beyond Maneadero on the Pacific coast or south of Mexicali on Highway 5, a tourist card is officially
required for each individual visitor, regardless of age. (Note: San Felipe is considered Mexicali)
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This is what I thought - no FMM within border zone AND for less than 72 hours. Not "OR" less than 72 hours.
And it is roughly 20 kilometers, not 20 miles like Americans used to think. Mexico, same as most of the world, uses metric system.
Beside being sent back to the border there can be other consequences like fine or denied entry next time you go to Mexico, though they have been
lenient so far. They don't want to kill a goose laying golden eggs, but they might punish it to keep it in line.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by deanfootlong
I've never bothered with getting one when going south of San Felipe. |
Yes, you will get away with this - not that it's legal - but only as far as Guerrero Negro. There you're may be stopped by occasional INM officer.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Although I do not encourage scofflaws, my feeling is that if you are actually traveling only as far as San Quintin, you will really not need the visa.
That's because it appears that the only punishment you will encounter is to turn around and head back the the border. The website at Coyote Cal's has
stated for years that you don't need one to visit them, and they are many miles South of Maneadero.
Now, if you are headed down to Guerrero Negro or beyond, absolutely get the FMM at the border. You really do not want to be turned around after
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What was always common understanding, until they stopped tourists and checked FMMs between Maneadero and Santo Tomas not too long ago... as reported
here on Nomad. It was brief, but who knows when they decide to do it again? |
They did build a checkpoint in the highway North of Santo Tomas, but as far as I know it has been vacant since built. But you are correct in that they
could open it virtually any day.
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David K
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I think Doug (BajaNomad) posted that was torn down because rifling between those raised cement pads was dangerous. It looked more like a future
military checkpoint than an INM checkpoint? Just go with the flow... as it is better to have it (FMM) and not need it, then to need it and not have
it!
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