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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dirtbikr
How does the post go from gasolina in cativina to restaurants? |
yes, that is odd. most threads usually drift to a debate on global warming.
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by dirtbikr
How does the post go from gasolina in cativina to restaurants? |
yes, that is odd. most threads usually drift to a debate on global warming. |
Just give us a few more pages, I'm sure we can get there...
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redhilltown
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by dirtbikr
How does the post go from gasolina in cativina to restaurants? |
yes, that is odd. most threads usually drift to a debate on global warming. |
Just give us a few more pages, I'm sure we can get there...
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It was a dark and stormy night when Al Gore drove into Catavina and needed gas for his Hummer...
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chuckie
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Al Gore is a HUmmer...
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SFandH
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Udo
We always do just that DK. In the Prius, I can make it on less than 5 gallons from mid OC to Baja Cactus.
This time, on the way back, We were still on the same gas from Baja Cactus) we filled up in Jesus Maria, and made it back to Orange County on the same
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Udo, hope you're feeling well enough to respond. How are you doing?
Tell us more about the Prius in Baja. The mileage is incredible! How does it do going up the steeper grades, like the one south of El Rosario? Does it
work hard going up? Would loading it up with stuff and two people slow it down?
Anybody else drive a Prius or similar in Baja?
[Edited on 7-15-2014 by SFandH]
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BajaBill74
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I have been driving a Prius to Baja for four years. I drive about 500 miles from Santa Rosa to Chula Vista and fill up at Costco.
From there I made it once to Santa Rosalia but usually just to San Ignacio.
That's usually just with one person. One trip with four people and luggage we only made it to Vizcaino. With that load we were always able to
maintain or exceed the speed limit.
Now, back on subject, I've never needed gas at Catavina. Why fill up with only 5 gallons?
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David K
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That one and the old Parador Punta Prieta one (L.A. Bay junction) are good locations. A third failed location was at San Agustin... and a fourth was
at Nuevo Rosarito.
Some issues with the central desert locations were: off grid, banks too far away, security, employee availability, poor business management, and of
course being locked into the national fixed price even though those locations have higher operating costs.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBill74
Now, back on subject, I've never needed gas at Catavina. Why fill up with only 5 gallons? |
That's southbound (75 miles from El Rosario Pemex)... Northbound, or surfing the 7 Sisters, or coming around from San Felipe and Gonzaga Bay (if that
Pemex is closed) is why Cataviña is useful. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by redhilltown
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by dirtbikr
How does the post go from gasolina in cativina to restaurants? |
yes, that is odd. most threads usually drift to a debate on global warming. |
Just give us a few more pages, I'm sure we can get there...
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It was a dark and stormy night when Al Gore drove into Catavina and needed gas for his Hummer... |
He was looking for a lost friend and some turtle soup.
Jumping to the end,that should cover all the possible hijacks
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MMc
| Quote: | Originally posted by redhilltown
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by dirtbikr
How does the post go from gasolina in cativina to restaurants? |
yes, that is odd. most threads usually drift to a debate on global warming. |
Just give us a few more pages, I'm sure we can get there...
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It was a dark and stormy night when Al Gore drove into Catavina and needed gas for his Hummer... |
He was looking for a lost friend and some turtle soup.
Jumping to the end,that should cover all the possible hijacks
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don't forget immigration, gun control and freedom-hating liberals!
todays news should give you something to talk about - redneck whites protesting against poor immigrant children by marching on the orphanage armed
with assault rifles!
"Conservative groups protested the possible housing of Central American children in Vassar, Michigan, on Monday by marching through town, some with
AR-15 rifles and handguns, according to The Detroit News.
About 50 protesters led by the group Michiganders for Immigration Control and Enforcement carried American and “Don’t Tread on Me” flags as they
marched from city hall to a social services facility that may house the children. The protest follows a similar but larger gathering that took place
last week."
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MMc
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by dirtbikr
How does the post go from gasolina in cativina to restaurants? |
yes, that is odd. most threads usually drift to a debate on global warming. |
Just give us a few more pages, I'm sure we can get there...
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Done and done
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
That one and the old Parador Punta Prieta one (L.A. Bay junction) are good locations. A third failed location was at San Agustin... and a fourth was
at Nuevo Rosarito.
Some issues with the central desert locations were: off grid, banks too far away, security, employee availability, poor business management, and of
course being locked into the national fixed price even though those locations have higher operating costs. |
Just think about all of those "sprouting Pemex stations in Baja. The one thing they have in common is that they have convenience stores.
There is much to be made by selling junk food and cigarettes. Not so much for the gasoline.
The profit margin that Pemex allows to their dealers is pitifully low, given that the government controls the price of gas.
So, the idea that anyone in an off the grid location, who must consume fuel just to pump their gas, is not going to happen without some relief from
Pemex.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
That one and the old Parador Punta Prieta one (L.A. Bay junction) are good locations. A third failed location was at San Agustin... and a fourth was
at Nuevo Rosarito.
Some issues with the central desert locations were: off grid, banks too far away, security, employee availability, poor business management, and of
course being locked into the national fixed price even though those locations have higher operating costs. |
Just think about all of those "sprouting Pemex stations in Baja. The one thing they have in common is that they have convenience stores.
There is much to be made by selling junk food and cigarettes. Not so much for the gasoline.
The profit margin that Pemex allows to their dealers is pitifully low, given that the government controls the price of gas.
So, the idea that anyone in an off the grid location, who must consume fuel just to pump their gas, is not going to happen without some relief from
Pemex. |
Right indeed. Until recently, the Pemex franchise owners were handcuffed by stupid government limitations... such as no other sales or work at Pemex
stations (such as we have in the USA gas stations: tire repair, auto service, oil changes, etc.).
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SFandH
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Right indeed. Until recently, the Pemex franchise owners were handcuffed by stupid government limitations... such as no other sales or work at Pemex
stations (such as we have in the USA gas stations: tire repair, auto service, oil changes, etc.). |
I haven't seen a gas station in San Diego that does anything except sell gas and junk food in a long time. There are probably a few old timers left
but gas and junk food is the modern business model.
Pemex does it better and cheaper. With full service thrown in.
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We could drift into oil independence for the USA, the IRS scandal, the VA scandal, the abortion debate, OH wait, that's a hijack. :-) :-)
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redhilltown
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It all may be a moot point. Once the road is finished between San Luis Gonzaga and La Chapala the traffic through Catavina may drop in half? Or some
significant number. San Felipe is pretty reliable and now so is the Pemex in Gonzaga plus the Rancho Grande pumps (haven't used them for a
while...are they still selling gas?). A lot of us will decide whether we want to drive a new amazing road along the Sea of Cortez or bumble through
all the topas, buses, and traffic along Highway One through San Quintin etc... Not really a choice.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by redhilltown
It all may be a moot point. Once the road is finished between San Luis Gonzaga and La Chapala the traffic through Catavina may drop in half? Or some
significant number. San Felipe is pretty reliable and now so is the Pemex in Gonzaga plus the Rancho Grande pumps (haven't used them for a
while...are they still selling gas?). A lot of us will decide whether we want to drive a new amazing road along the Sea of Cortez or bumble through
all the topas, buses, and traffic along Highway One through San Quintin etc... Not really a choice. |
Until it is replaced, the old pavement from Puertecitos to San Felipe is no high speed road... sudden, steep dips... Not a high speed road like the
newer one from Puertecitos to Gonzaga.
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Being from N AZ I can't wait till the road is at least graded from Gonzaga to MEX 1 even if the old part has issues.
CoCo better stock up.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cliffy
Being from N AZ I can't wait till the road is at least graded from Gonzaga to MEX 1 even if the old part has issues.
CoCo better stock up. |
It is a graded road... or do you mean freshly graded/ scraped?
It is only an issue for a rough surface for trailers, motorhomes, low slung cars, but 4WD is not needed.
Some photos between Gonzaga and Chapala taken in July, 2012:
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redhilltown
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by redhilltown
It all may be a moot point. Once the road is finished between San Luis Gonzaga and La Chapala the traffic through Catavina may drop in half? Or some
significant number. San Felipe is pretty reliable and now so is the Pemex in Gonzaga plus the Rancho Grande pumps (haven't used them for a
while...are they still selling gas?). A lot of us will decide whether we want to drive a new amazing road along the Sea of Cortez or bumble through
all the topas, buses, and traffic along Highway One through San Quintin etc... Not really a choice. |
Until it is replaced, the old pavement from Puertecitos to San Felipe is no high speed road... sudden, steep dips... Not a high speed road like the
newer one from Puertecitos to Gonzaga. |
Quite true. And the first nasty hurricane will tear it up...but for now (and once the road is finished), it will still be a better alternative than
the slog thru San Quintin. Coco better stock up!
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