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mcfez
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Great info find!
I'm going spend a little time to dig up more info on these trucks. Just the weight alone of the ice...and distance...wow!
| Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
www.mexfish.com/mexi/mexi/af051209/af051209.htm
Sometime in the early 1920s, a few American sport anglers had begun testing the waters around San Felipe, and in 1923, the first recorded totoaba--two
fish--were exported to the United States.
In the beginning years of the San Felipe totoaba trade there was simply no market for the huge, six-foot-long carcasses left over after the buche
(air bladder) had been cut out, dried and exported to China. The fish were left in haystack-sized piles to rot in the sun. When the smell and flies
became intolerable, the fishermen and their families would simply move down the beach and set up a new camp.
Word got out about the enormous piles of wasted fish (due to the removal of the buche). Soon thereafter, buyers from the United States reached San
Felipe in ice trucks specially equipped to make the 125-mile open desert crossing from the U.S. border at Calexico.
In the winter of 1924-25, 170,000 pounds of fish were hauled north to the Southern California market. The totoaba were bought on the beach for as
little as five cents per fish, and sold at a tremendous profit.
A commercial catch of enormous totoaba at Bahia San Luis Gonzaga, Baja California, Mexico. From left to right, Tony Reyes,
Gorgonio Fernandez, and his son, Chi Chi Fernandez, c. 1954. --Reprinted with permission from The Unforgettable Sea Of Cortez.
[Edited on 12-17-2013 by durrelllrobert]
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Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by neilm81301
From the INEGI topo, it looks like about N 30°05' - around the northing of Isla Muertos - is the recently improved road to Gonzaga very far removed
from the one shown on the old maps?
Might be a place to camp - patio slabs and all!
Neil
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Yes the last photo I posted was from the new hwy.
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azkmb
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The name Okie Landing
I have no pictures but it looks like there are a few here. My grandfather Theodore Davidson (and his son Buz Davidson) and his brother James Davidson
used to fish with Tony Reyes in the 50' around this area. Theodore and James where from Henrietta OK. Tony took to them well as they came back for
more and more Totoaba. The stories I have been told are of giant fish everywhere! Anyway the story goes that Tony took to the Davidsons for all their
loyalty and named Okie Landing after them. One day I hope to visit the area, with a fishing pole in hand!
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bajabuddha
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Tew Kewl, azkmb! What you are looking at on your pics are now dodo birds and left-ish republicans. From San Felipe north the Sea of Cortez is a
virtual wet desert. If you do head down, pole-in-hand, keep going south..........
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
86 - 45*
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by azkmb
I have no pictures but it looks like there are a few here. My grandfather Theodore Davidson (and his son Buz Davidson) and his brother James Davidson
used to fish with Tony Reyes in the 50' around this area. Theodore and James where from Henrietta OK. Tony took to them well as they came back for
more and more Totoaba. The stories I have been told are of giant fish everywhere! Anyway the story goes that Tony took to the Davidsons for all their
loyalty and named Okie Landing after them. One day I hope to visit the area, with a fishing pole in hand! |
That is some great history there! Thank you, and welcome to Baja Nomad. I remember activity there in the 1960's, but not in the 70's, as the road got
so bad and traffic nearly stopped going between Puertecitos and Gonzaga after Hwy. 1 was finished... and not much other than SCORE races until that
section got a new road built in 1986.
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David. . .Some folks have no desire to be well informed. . .
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David K
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You are so right... ignorance is bliss, right?
One thing is for sure, anyone not wanting to be well informed should not read Baja Nomad! 
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The maps are helpful. I could pull them out myself, but it is much easier when someone puts them up on this board. Gracias
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| Quote: | Originally posted by azkmb
I have no pictures but it looks like there are a few here. My grandfather Theodore Davidson (and his son Buz Davidson) and his brother James Davidson
used to fish with Tony Reyes in the 50' around this area. Theodore and James where from Henrietta OK. Tony took to them well as they came back for
more and more Totoaba. The stories I have been told are of giant fish everywhere! Anyway the story goes that Tony took to the Davidsons for all their
loyalty and named Okie Landing after them. One day I hope to visit the area, with a fishing pole in hand! |
here's another thought on the origin of the name.
This profile of Tony Reyes was written by Chuck Garrison and appeared in the December 2005 edition of Western Outdoors:
Slowly but steadily, Tony Reyes built up his own fleet of small pangas and guides, established a base camp at Okie's Landing near Isla Lobos (said to
have been named after anglers who hooked and lost big fish, because they kiddingly "fished like Oklahoma farmers") and advanced his reputation as a
rise-early, fish-hard, return-late guide who made his first priorities equal: fish catches and customer service.
[Edited on 8-9-2014 by willardguy]
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Super Cool azkmb, and if you can make the trip, it's nice outside of summer's insane heat.
Thanks to all for the great stories 
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. . .David, again, thanks for your great help with anything Baja; I do not know everything , and your time & help makes it sooo much easier to
learn about about a place I really enjoy. . .I am hoping that in the future the negative posters will become aware that we are all different, we all
have different needs, we all have different learnings & that knowledge is a good thing. . . AND, I guess we all have differing opinions of ones
posting on this open Baja forum, si, no?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by C205Driver
. . .David, again, thanks for your great help with anything Baja; I do not know everything , and your time & help makes it sooo much easier to
learn about about a place I really enjoy. . .I am hoping that in the future the negative posters will become aware that we are all different, we all
have different needs, we all have different learnings & that knowledge is a good thing. . . AND, I guess we all have differing opinions of ones
posting on this open Baja forum, si, no? |
Thank you for the nice words, they are appreciated. Like you, I come here to learn and to share. There is more Baja I do not know about than I do. I
have been visiting the magic peninsula for almost 50 years and I still cannot get enough. Perhaps that is why I say 'magic', as it seems to keep
amazing me at what new discoveries there are to be made or that some of the same places can never get old.
We all have different personalities and opinions and I do not let opinions determine who is cool or not, that is determined by actions. I have no need
for hostility, and I have many friends here who do not share the same opinions as me, and I don't care. Our love of Baja should override the other
stuff.
Have a great day, and if you think I can help or share with anything, please don't hesitate to ask! I sure don't know everything, but I do try to
provide the best information on what I am fond of regarding Baja (History, Maps, Books, Camping, Four Wheeling). I am so lucky to have traveled the
original main road the length of Baja in 1966, and have been old enough to remember it. In the 60's, my parents traveled many of the other roads in
Baja as well, so the sense of exploration transferred to me.
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David K
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Okie Landing chat 
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Somehow, I got the idea that Okie landing was a prospecting camp.
A flood of "Okies" invaded the old mining districts in the 1930's. The tailings from dredging that took place during this period can be seen from
space, for example at Snelling, CA.
could be wrong.
[Edited on 10-27-2021 by bajaric]
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David K
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Good idea, Ric... Who can say for sure?
I often defer to the excellent Lower California Guidebook when it comes to history, up to 1962.
Per the 1962 book:
Okie Landing was a place where boats could be rented for fishing, which used to be amazing here. It is (or was) 2.8 miles south from El Almacén, the
stone ruin which was a warehouse constructed for the Miramar area gold mines (placer mines).
Sept. 2008 photo of El Almacén.
I think this warehouse would be closer to where supplies were offloaded and gold loaded on, not 2.8 miles away? The old maps call this site or nearby,
'Miramar' no map has Okie Landing until much later. It is on the 1962 AAA map (as 'Oakies Landing') but not the 1959 map.
It is on the 1962 Lower California Guidebook map and road log, but not in the 1958 edition.
Howard Gulick (the guidebook's author) traveled the 'new' road through here in 1956 (for the '58 edition) and again in 1960 (for the '62 edition). The
1956 (1st) edition researched in 1955 and earlier finds the road south of San Felipe went no further than the sulfur mine and Agua de Chale,
southbound. Coming north, a vehicle could get as far as San Luis Gonzaga Bay in a 4WD vehicle via the Pioneer mine and Molino de Lacy.
This evidence would seem to indicate Okie Landing started after 1956 and for sure by 1960 when Gulick traveled there. The AAA guide of 1959 does not
mention Oakies [sic] Landing but the 1962 one does.
On this 1930 Map, we do see a 'Landing' between Miramar Placers and an onyx site & Mesquitito Spring, but it could be either at El Almacén or
Okie Landing on this slightly crude map.
Today, you can get to El Almacén from Cinco Islas (Km. 114) and drive north a short distance on the older road, which is just east of the highway.
Okie Landing can be seen from the new highway at Km. 117. The access is just north of that kilometer marker.
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And now another reason for this area to be infamous. https://www.lavozdelafrontera.com.mx/policiaca/localizan-fos...
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I am guessing there is a translation error in the article. The grave is reported as being 1.8 meters wide, and 250 meters long! That is trench, not
a grave!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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They left out a decimal, I bet? 1.80 meters wide by 2.50 meters long, seems likely.
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2.5 - maybe one of our missing....article insinuates 1 grave and bones.
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