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desertcpl
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Tioloco
I hope it works out. Amazing place! |
its a magical place
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Tioloco
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Any of the original people who started Punta Final still around?
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BajaRat
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| Quote: | Originally posted by desertcpl
just heard that its not all of the home owners
just the ones that had formed a home owners association
the ones in the association ( or some of them)
are heading to Ensenada to meet with their attorneys
and hopefully a Judge to stop this
my friend that has a place there is not involved |
Yep,
Our friends ponied up and stayed clear of the problems that have now come to fruition for the others. Sucks to pay more but they have had the time of
their lives there for decades on the cheap.
People have spent quite a bit of cash and anguish fighting ( fell with his burro in the butter) Kevin.
But he that owns the shots calls em
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by desertcpl
just heard that its not all of the home owners
just the ones that had formed a home owners association
the ones in the association ( or some of them)
are heading to Ensenada to meet with their attorneys
and hopefully a Judge to stop this
my friend that has a place there is not involved |
It would be interesting to know what legal theory they
would use to challenge an expired and nonexistent lease.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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chuckie
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Seems like they can pay or leave? I doubt they can say, I'm not going to pay and am going to stay anyhow..
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rts551
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The issue is not new..fight started 4-5 years ago.
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Cliffy
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I'm confused.
He has control. The leases are up. What is there to fight?
Seems rather fruitless to me. The horse died a long time ago, about the time the road reached Gonzaga.
Easier access, more value, someone will pay the going rate. If the rent is too high, he won't rent it but he's free to try. it's his ball game.
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SFandH
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lee
...if you do put ''improvements'' onto leased land, know it now belongs to the owner and you are renting it. |
Is that really true? So if I burn a palapa which I have constructed on another's land, I am destroying his property?
I question this. |
It's true, at least in the United States. I've always understood the law as any improvements made by a tenant are the property of the land owner.
[Edited on 8-10-2014 by SFandH]
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mtgoat666
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The punta final website is pretty skimpy on information. I have never been there, but the picture below shows a building that looks like blight. Is
that what the gringo vacation homes look like? Looks like zero value in that structure, landlord should charge tenant for demolition. Avert your
eyes from that stomach, it is unsettling sight!
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bajabuddha
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
Is that really true? So if I burn a palapa which I have constructed on another's land, I am destroying his property?
I question this. |
RUMOR has it, that's what Ray did to his restaurant at Santispac when the caca hit the fan there. He wasn't going to turn everything over he'd made
to land-owners, so the place mysteriously caught fire. Just a RUMOR, mind you.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
86 - 45*
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Tioloco
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That is one way to do it. Have seen others dismantle their houses and use material elsewhere
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BajaRat
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SFandH
| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by Lee
...if you do put ''improvements'' onto leased land, know it now belongs to the owner and you are renting it. |
Is that really true? So if I burn a palapa which I have constructed on another's land, I am destroying his property?
I question this. |
It's true, at least in the United States. I've always understood the law as any improvements made by a tenant are the property of the land owner.
[Edited on 8-10-2014 by SFandH] |
When the Sovereign White Mountain Apache tribe decided to increase their lease prices around Hawley Lake Az. many non tribal members tried to put up a
fight. This resulted in the tribe deciding to discontinue lease renewals and kicking them off the land. The Lease did state that while it was current
the lease holders had all rights of ownership and many cabin owners decided to have their homes moved to new locations rather than allowing the tribe
to posses them. There were also suspicious fires and vandalism that destroyed some of them.
I wonder if the Punta Final residents that had their belongings tossed let their lease expire 
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bajabuddha
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I think a nutshell-definition is two simple words:
ASPHALT, and PROGRESS.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
86 - 45*
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Tioloco
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Just stick with not spending more than you can lose.... Not much different than a motorhome. It's a vacation expense, not an investment.
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norte
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabuddha
I think a nutshell-definition is two simple words:
ASPHALT, and PROGRESS. |
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norte
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No....its Mexico...this problem started well before the asphalt was laid.Vacation in Hotels if you must (and protect yourself)..but investing in a
third world country is risky at best.
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brewer
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
The punta final website is pretty skimpy on information. I have never been there, but the picture below shows a building that looks like blight. Is
that what the gringo vacation homes look like? Looks like zero value in that structure, landlord should charge tenant for demolition. Avert your
eyes from that stomach, it is unsettling sight!
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How does that big guy get his pants on?
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brewer
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabuddha
I think a nutshell-definition is two simple words:
ASPHALT, and PROGRESS. |
That's three words and I hope that's not true. The asphalt is still eight miles away from Punta Final when the hi way is done. Gonzaga is the last
place, really that hasn't been shot from the hip developed. But it is inevitable, hopefully later than sooner.
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Tioloco
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I don't think his pants are all the way on. Talk about 10 pounds of sugar in a five pound sack! Jaja
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elgatoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Tioloco
Just stick with not spending more than you can lose.... Not much different than a motorhome. It's a vacation expense, not an investment.
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Although not for all that philosophy has worked for our family. We have had a beach front vacation house for 54 years thru some sketchy times where
the legalities of who owned what where put into question. We used to worry about it being 'taken' away, first by the ocean then by family ownership
dispute / development / government. But we always new it was impermanent at best, even when we had a 99 year lease, so the worry has been minimal and
the investment the same. 54 years later we are stil enjoying the view and still consider ourselves very lucky to do so. If it all went to hell in a
hand basket tomorrow we would have no regrets. Plan for the worst hope for the best and don't sweat the small stuff.
YMMV
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