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divemulege
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Bad diesel fuel in El Rosario
Hey guys, I just filled up in El Rosario and the diesel is full of water! I made it about 500 meters and the truck said Ouch. I have never had a bad
experience with this station before but stay away for now. Other bad place is Guerro Negro. Never fill up there!
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by divemulege
Hey guys, I just filled up in El Rosario and the diesel is full of water! I made it about 500 meters and the truck said Ouch. I have never had a bad
experience with this station before but stay away for now. Other bad place is Guerro Negro. Never fill up there! |
wow, that is too bad...does your truck have a water separator?
did you have a spare filter?
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willardguy
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that damn antonio! anything to make a quick buck!  get ready!
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Did you go back and tell them??? Antonio will make it good
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Ateo
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Were others having the same issue? Tell us more. They can stick the tank with water finding paste to confirm or check the in tank probe on the
Veeder Root for a water reading.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by divemulege
Hey guys, I just filled up in El Rosario and the diesel is full of water! I made it about 500 meters and the truck said Ouch. I have never had a bad
experience with this station before but stay away for now. Other bad place is Guerro Negro. Never fill up there! |
what is the price per liter for water water at baja pemexes this month?? are the pumps dispensing full liters of water?
i hate it when they short me on water fillups at pemex! 
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chuckie
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Doesn't sound right to me...It would have to be almost pure water to cause a problem within 500 meters.....doubtful if the feed line would even be
drained in that distance.....Fishy....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chuckie
Doesn't sound right to me...It would have to be almost pure water to cause a problem within 500 meters.....doubtful if the feed line would even be
drained in that distance.....Fishy.... |
I saw that happen to a diesel boat that just filled up at the Coral Marina in Ensenada. Didn't even make it out of the harbor before the filter had to
be changed. After changing it ran OK so must have just been a little water near the fuel pick up..
Bob Durrell
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you can't just say..."the diesel has water in it at el Rosario"
was the diesel at the station checked?
until then it's ok
the truck is probably old and had water in the tank already
it's pretty humid where he lives and if
he leaves the tank empty all the time it'll fill with water
pretty quick
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basautter
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If it's a Ford, there is a water trap in the fuel line. It's a good idea to check it once in a while.
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divemulege
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This is the third time it has happened to me in Mexico in three years. I drive back and forth to the states every three weeks or so. It happened one
time in Guerro Negro and I made it as far as 300 meters. Had to turn around and go to a auto mechanic there. He pulled the filter and there was a
water. Drained out as much as I could and made it as far a Vizcaino. There the drained the tank completed and there was 12 gallons of water in it!
My tank was at 1/8 tank last night when I pulled in to Baja Cactus. I then went and filled it this morning and got as far as the bus station and it
started running bad. Drained the filter and it had water in it. Went back to the hotel and drained it into a clear cup and yes there is water in it.
There is not any diesel mechanics here until Tuesday.
I posted this because I was trying to help anyone else traveling this week so they did not have the same thing happen to them. I am not going to
bother posting on this forum to help anyone because you always get some stupid responses. Hopefully this helps someone and for you nay sayers don't
you have something better to do than sit on here and post 3000 times?
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Ateo
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Did you alert the station? Have they checked their tank? Just trying to figure out if it's the station's fault or not. If it is their fault they
may pay for your time and mechanical expenses. 
I think most here are just trying to figure out if the problem is truly with Baja Cactus' Diesel. One would think if there was a problem, that every
truck that was fueling up the last 5 hours would be having the same issue.
I've seen this happen in person. 2 years ago a MAJOR oil company delivered water into the storage tanks at numerous (rumor was over 100) stations
throughout Southern California. 4 of my customers were affected and at those stations, cars were not making it off the lot. Tanks had to be emptied,
piping had to be purged - it was a mess.
Just my $.02. And I have 4362 posts BTW. :LOL:
I hope you get going quick and continue on your journey. Good luck!
[Edited on 8-17-2014 by Ateo]
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chuckie
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Get the big chip off your shoulder, your usual reaction when everyone doesn't agree with you. People are trying to find out whats up...
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divemulege
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No Chuckie,
I tried to post something to help others and right away my integrity is always questioned. On the way to the USA I filled up in Santa Rosalia. I
then filled up again in El Rosario. On the way back I filled up in El Rosario again. Water has never been present in the fuel in Santa Rosalia and
talking to other racers today, they have had problems in the past with El Rosario. Being that I have hit this station two times in a row this trip
and then had the problems immediately, it is a process of elimination. I have driven the peninsula and mainland over 150k miles since 1984 and I have
plenty experience with it.
I went to the station to tell them immediately and there response was bummer! I went back and checked back into Baja Cactus and told them about the
problem. I asked them to call Antonio to see if he knew a mechanic and they said they could not bug him in TJ. I still checked in anyways because it
is my favorite hotel on the drive and the rooms are first class.
Adios, last time you will see me on this forum. What a joke!
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chuckie
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It appears that you have little integrity to question. I doubt you will be missed...
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Tioloco
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Divemulege,
Thanks for the info.
I don't see an integrity problem with you. I appreciate the info. That is Really the whole point of this forum.
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David K
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Posted just 2 weeks ago:
Diesel at BajaCactus in El Rosario...
At BajaCactus, in El Rosario, we have had a continuous supply of diesel for the past 14 years. Also, about two years ago, we installed a "Viking 1
Diesel Filter" at our main diesel tank, capable of water detection and particulate removal. An extra layer of protection for our customers that almost
no gas station has, mainly because is an investment of over $3,000 USD to get that installed here in Mexico. Nevertheless, I believe in providing our
customers with the best service possible.
Antonio Muņoz
BajaCactus
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LancairDriver
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Thanks for the heads up divemulege. Some of us are able to evaluate information and make our own decisions without sarcastic commentary. It is a shame
the number of legitimate contributors to this forum who have given up in disgust and went away because of the continuous sniping from the same old
fossils who have no life other than contributing sarcasm and worthless comments. You would get the same reactions from the same suspects if you had
reported the diesel at Cactus was the best you have ever run in your rig.
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BajaCactus
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BajaCactus Diesel...
Divemulege... I am sorry for what happened with your vehicle on your past trip. I would have really liked to know about your problem when it happened
in order to help you out. There is indeed a great honest mechanic in El Rosario.
Regarding our diesel, I do not now what happened with your truck, but I can assured you it WAS NOT our fuel and that we DO NOT HAVE WATER in our
tanks. How can I be so sure, well, by regulation all Pemex gas stations must have a series of electronic sensors, with alarms, all along the fuel
lines, starting in the tanks, and Pemex makes sure they are continuously working with scheduled inspections every four months (the "Veeder Root"
mentioned by Ateo is part of this system). These sensors are always checking for fuel leaks, pressure of lines and of course water, in real time.
In our case at BajaCactus our diesel tank has an extra one not required by Pemex that I had installed for an extra layer of protection, specifically
for water, plus an extra filter at the main distribution line to separate any particles and water, just in case.
Now, besides all these, every three months or so, all Pemex gas station receive the visit of a mobile laboratory which main job is to take samples of
the fuel we sell and chemically analyze it, on site. They test the quality of fuel, contamination, particles, water, everything. Well, it so happens
that we just had our visit around 3 weeks ago and we got a clean result. In fact, the lab technician told me he always finds the cleanest fuel all
over Baja at BajaCactus, he even asked to see our additional diesel filter since it is something not required by Pemex. I do not have the report with
me right now because I am in Tijuana, but I will upload it here as soon as I go back to my office in El Rosario, in about a week.
And finally, all Pemex gas station tanks, when installed underground, must have an inclination to the back. Pumps suction from the front, which
creates a volume of fuel in the back that cannot be extracted into the fuel lines, in spanish this is called "volumen de fondaje". In our case, our
tanks have around 1,800 lts of liquid in the back of each tank that simply cannot be pumped out. Which means we must have over 1,800 lts of water in
the tanks in order for that water to make it into the fuel lines. And the water sensor alarms get triggered around 200 lts.
Now, remember all those sensors I mentioned before, well, they are continuously gathering data and create real time reports. I just got the report for
our tanks (August 18th, 2014/12:00am) which I am uploading with this post.
As you can clearly see it indicates the ""volumen de fondaje" at 1,800 lts, the status of our sensors on the far right as "en linea" (on line) and
that we have zero liters of water in all tanks. This because about a month ago we drained all the water created by condensation in our tanks (we do
this kind of maintenance in our tanks every six months). From the diesel tank we extracted around 90 liters of water, this water was in the back, at
the bottom, where it cannot be pumped out by our fuel pumps.
As I said in the beginning, I do not know what happened to your vehicle or where you got contaminated diesel but it was not with us and I can prove
it. From my point of view, and forgive me if I am wrong, you only have assumptions and the title of your post is not only aggressive but it also harms
business like ours that are always making our best effort to provide a reliable and honest service.
I apologize for my candidness but it does not seem fair to me that you damage our integrity and image only in assumptions. I can prove to you,
anytime, that our fuel is always as clean as possible. Perhaps even cleaner than the one we receive.
Nevertheless, if you have any real proof that it was indeed our diesel the responsible for the damage to your truck I would be most interested to know
how it happened, what we are missing or what is failing in order to fix it as soon as possible and you have my word BajaCactus will cover all the
costs pertinent to the repairs of your truck and the time you lost. Otherwise I would politely ask you to rephrase the title of this thread you posted
to something less harmful.
Divemulege, I appreciate your business and preference in the past and I would be more than happy to meet you in your next trip to Baja and personally
show you all the sensors, reports and equipment I am mentioning here and if you or anyone ever need help or assistance I am always at your disposal
and happy to be of service at info*at*bajacactus.com (also if you ask for the shift manager at BajaCactus or "encargado de turno in Spanish", they
have a direct line to me).
Antonio Munoz
BajaCactus
[Edited on 8-18-2014 by BajaCactus]
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chuckie
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Like I said...FISHY
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