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[*] posted on 12-4-2014 at 08:32 PM


Take it another step on used cars/trucks to avoid.
Avoid Ram 1500 V8 4WD 09-11. Ram 2500 & 3500 diesel 07-11.
Several Chevy, GMC and Fords as well.

Toyota, no trucks listed. Reliabilty, reliabilty, reliabilty.
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[*] posted on 12-4-2014 at 08:35 PM


well if consumer report says it it must be true! however I wouldn't make a move until checking with angies list! :lol:
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[*] posted on 12-4-2014 at 08:38 PM


On Page 185 Reliable used Pickup Trucks for Every Budget
Honda Ridgeline
Nissan Frontier
Toyota Tacoma V6 4WD
Toyota Tundra V8 4WD

No Chevy, Dodge, Ford or GMC

[Edited on 12-5-2014 by TMW]
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[*] posted on 12-4-2014 at 08:49 PM


I have a 2004 GMC Z71 and the first 30,000 miles it was in the shop every 6 months. Then everything was OK until 80,000 and the fuel pump went out. At 100,000 both heads were replaced at a cost of $3,000. I have 150,000 on it now. I like to drive it as it's is comfortable and holds more than my Tacoma. But I would not buy another GM vehicle.
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[*] posted on 12-4-2014 at 08:50 PM


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Honda Ridgeline? Really? Haha!
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[*] posted on 12-4-2014 at 09:02 PM


Quote: Originally posted by TMW  
Take it another step on used cars/trucks to avoid.
Avoid Ram 1500 V8 4WD 09-11. Ram 2500 & 3500 diesel 07-11.
Several Chevy, GMC and Fords as well.

Toyota, no trucks listed. Reliabilty, reliabilty, reliabilty.



Gee Tom, I have one of each of those, musta got lucky..:yes::yes:

edit: just re-read the years, my Ram 1500 was a 2003 and the 2500 diesel is a 2006.....must be my "attention deficit disorder" flaring up...

[Edited on 12-5-2014 by dtbushpilot]

[Edited on 12-5-2014 by dtbushpilot]




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[*] posted on 12-4-2014 at 10:01 PM


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Quote: Originally posted by David K  
The Hilux is the model sold in the rest of the world outside of the U.S. and Canada and Mexico. It is highly desired by die hard Toyota fans, as it is considered a 'true truck'! It also is available as a diesel.

Here is a 2012 comparison Tacoma vs Hilux:
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/10/sibling-rivalry-2012-to...


Nope the Hilux is has and I´m sure will be sold right here in Colima and the rest of mainland Mexico. I´m not sure when they started selling them down here but they are outselling everybody big time.

The only reason I didn´t buy one is they are only 2 wheel drive and no diesels?


Thanks, I should have worded it to say the Tacoma is sold only in Canada, U.S. and Mexico and not that the Hilux isn't. I have seen a Hilux in Mexico, but not sure if it was bought there. The four door Tacomas are built at Toyota de Baja California, on Hwy. 2 between Tijuana and Tecate.




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[*] posted on 12-5-2014 at 08:00 AM


Quote: Originally posted by TMW  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Lets be fair here. The 2015 Consumers Report Buyers guide page 156 lists the Ram 1500 diesel top rated and Gas Ram 1500 second... then came Chevrolet. Tundra was at the bottom under the Nissan Titan.



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When we ought our new truck last year, we looked at the various options. Don't know about the GM cars, but Ford and RAM full size trucks are equal or better to the gas mileage of the Tacoma and you get a roomier truck. Looking at quality and convenience, the RAM was up there with the best of them and many times rated tops. Toyota is going to have to address modernization to include mileage in my estimation.


No one beats Toyota for reliability. As far as gas mileage goes whats posted on a window or reported in a magazine does not mean that's what you will get.

From Last months Consumer Reports


In case you can't read the first one, full size Trucks


Small/midsize trucks


On that same page look at the predicted Reliability. Ram Diesel NA meaning it's new, Ram gas less than good, Chevy and GMC worst. Tundra better than good and Tacoma good. Cost per mile Tundra and Tacoma much better with Tacoma the best, probably due to reliabilty.


did you write to Consumer Reports to report their mistake and ask them to invert their recommendations?:lol:
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[*] posted on 12-5-2014 at 08:34 AM


Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
well if consumer report says it it must be true! however I wouldn't make a move until checking with angies list! :lol:


I find that most of Consumers Reports Testing is pretty good. Seems like they are fair, unbiased, and provide the good and bad for each brand. Brand loyalty is good to a point. In today's environment of fast moving technology and increased competitiveness (for many items) brand loyalty means less and less to the informed consumer.
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I used to be a fan of CR many years ago, then I found out manufacturers can buy favorite treatment with them. I often wondered why a truck that got excellent ratings one year changed to below average the next!? To provide the facts, not the money given, should be the reason for providing product details.



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[*] posted on 12-5-2014 at 08:59 AM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
I used to be a fan of CR many years ago, then I found out manufacturers can buy favorite treatment with them. I often wondered why a truck that got excellent ratings one year changed to below average the next!? To provide the facts, not the money given, should be the reason for providing product details.



You have back up for this statement? It would be interesting to know.
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[*] posted on 12-5-2014 at 09:06 AM


Just posting what I was told years ago, and it made sense after observing the bias that became prevalent. No worries, follow CR all you want. I was just very disappointed to hear that, as I had liked what they seemed to attempt to do.



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Quote: Originally posted by DianaT  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
I used to be a fan of CR many years ago, then I found out manufacturers can buy favorite treatment with them. I often wondered why a truck that got excellent ratings one year changed to below average the next!? To provide the facts, not the money given, should be the reason for providing product details.



You have back up for this statement? It would be interesting to know.


I too would like to have the facts. Fraud is a serious accusation. Please help us out here.
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Just posting what I was told years ago, and it made sense after observing the bias that became prevalent. No worries, follow CR all you want. I was just very disappointed to hear that, as I had liked what they seemed to attempt to do.


Wait, you accuse them of fraud...and now its "I was told years ago". Come on David.
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Consumer reports only has their reputation to stand on. Corporate money would only tarnish it and with it their business. Not logical to think other wise. I have found them t be pretty on point overall.

I have a very good friend that lives in Alaska. The paved roads are 15+ miles away. He and His company use trucks exclusivity. He laughs at Toyota's for his use, "they don't hold up" the suspensions break down with a couple of years. He like the ride but he stays American because they hold up better. I think Ron Gomez said the same a while ago. I do not know anybody that pulls anything regularly that uses a Taco or a Tundra

Drive what you drive, you bought and you'll live with it. I do not understand a love affair with a auto or a tire, they are tools to be used. I think some of this is to justify the money spent. I glad that Toyota is expanding in Baja, I wish they had more competition.

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Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Just posting what I was told years ago, and it made sense after observing the bias that became prevalent. No worries, follow CR all you want. I was just very disappointed to hear that, as I had liked what they seemed to attempt to do.


Wait, you accuse them of fraud...and now its "I was told years ago". Come on David.


That is a serious accusation and it is just something you were told by someone? If it is true, I am sure there has to be backup and reports somewhere or why would you want to harm the reputation of an organization based on something you heard?

That is a rhetorical question.
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Quote: Originally posted by MMc  
I have a very good friend that lives in Alaska. The paved roads are 15+ miles away. He and His company use trucks exclusivity. He laughs at Toyota's for his use, "they don't hold up" the suspensions break down with a couple of years. He like the ride but he stays American because they hold up better. I think Ron Gomez said the same a while ago.

I don't care what you drive you bought and you'll live with it. I do not understand a love affair with a auto or a tire, they are tools to be used. I think some of this is to justify the money spent. I glad that Toyota is expanding in Baja, I wish they had more competition.


Has your friend ever owned a Toyota truck?
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Quote: Originally posted by bajalearner  
Quote: Originally posted by MMc  
I have a very good friend that lives in Alaska. The paved roads are 15+ miles away. He and His company use trucks exclusivity. He laughs at Toyota's for his use, "they don't hold up" the suspensions break down with a couple of years. He like the ride but he stays American because they hold up better. I think Ron Gomez said the same a while ago.

I don't care what you drive you bought and you'll live with it. I do not understand a love affair with a auto or a tire, they are tools to be used. I think some of this is to justify the money spent. I glad that Toyota is expanding in Baja, I wish they had more competition.


Has your friend ever owned a Toyota truck?

Both Tacos and Tundras. He buys 3 or 4 trucks per year. He liked taco that was built in the 80's 90s (the square ones). He will admit they are very hard on all his trucks. He will not be buying any of the new Fords this year, he never buys anything that is "new and improved". He is excited to see how the Dodge Diesel works out, also off this years list.




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[*] posted on 12-5-2014 at 11:20 AM


Here's another idea and it doesn't matter what brand of vehicle a person buys.

If a person or company wears out the trucks very quickly, maybe the drivers are operating them outside the trucks limitations. Everything has it's limits.

I see it as a balance between letting or making the drivers haul burro on primitive roads or making the drivers slow down and operate the machine within the trucks capabilities. If the company is willing to accept the cost of replacing the equipment frequently than it's a business plan.

If one encounters a "new and improved" design, it is incumbent on the operator to understand the machine's capabilities and not expect the machine to live up to the buyers punishment outside the design.

I have owned many vehicle brands and have had great service of all of them, possibly because I take care of them.

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[*] posted on 12-5-2014 at 11:21 AM


I'm sorry DK but what you said about CR is something I have to strongly disagree with you on. CR does not test anything they don't buy. I have often disagreed with them on some things, be it a TV, refrigerator or a car/truck. But I think they do an honest test.

The annual Buying Guide info is collected from the people that subscribe to CR, I am one that fills out the questionare every year. They may include in the Guide what their test have shown but for the most part it reflects what actual owners have experienced.

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