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I can see why a company would only buy American trucks, especially in AK. Toyota and Nissan don't build 3/4 and 1 ton trucks which more than likely
what the company in AK is buying. They may buy some 1/2 ton 4x4 units for the supervisors to use. If on the otherhand they do buy mostly 1/2 units and
he is saying the Tundra doesn't hold up as well as a Ford F150 or GM 1500 or Dodge 1500 then I say he's full of it. IMHO
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Ford has had the #1 selling truck for a while for a reason (and I don't own one any more , I switched to RAM).
Feb 2014
Ford 55,882
Tundra 7,923
Tacoma 10, 942
TMW your comments are correct....Tundra holds up well...but for a work truck there are probably a lot of other reasons to go with Ford.
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My 96 Dodge, aka "Old Smokey" has 337,421 miles on it a/o this morning...Much of that as a real honest to goodness Kansas farm truck. My 1990 Dodge
Diesel one ton, now owned by my boy Paul has over 800,000 miles on it (That's when the speedo quit)...
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My buddy in Alsaka does not think the Tundra holds up as well as the Ford Chevy and Dodge 1/2 tons. It's not the drive train, but the suspension and
undercharge. He'll keep a truck for about 80k and get rid of them. He has never said anything about Nissan. His personal autos are Lexus and he loves
them, he is not anti-Toyota at all. All of his trucks are 4X4's, He would like get some small 4X4 trucks but has not found one he like's yet. It
cheaper to get 1/2 tons as they have less maintenance. The company does rebuilding and service work on mining and oil equipment. He just put in GPS
recorders/ trackers and he's hoping they well help get some longer usage from his trucks. His tires are Michelin by the way.
Quote: Originally posted by TMW  | | I can see why a company would only buy American trucks, especially in AK. Toyota and Nissan don't build 3/4 and 1 ton trucks which more than likely
what the company in AK is buying. They may buy some 1/2 ton 4x4 units for the supervisors to use. If on the otherhand they do buy mostly 1/2 units and
he is saying the Tundra doesn't hold up as well as a Ford F150 or GM 1500 or Dodge 1500 then I say he's full of it. IMHO |
[Edited on 12-6-2014 by MMc]
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | That is the goal of GM... but it doesn't take owning one to know it will not hold up, have the resale value, or perform as well as a Toyota Tacoma.
The only negative on the Tacoma end I would have to say is the V-6 fuel mileage (15-20 if 4WD). It's a great engine, but some full size trucks get
even better mileage than the mid-size Tacoma. The I-4 gets 25+ mpg, however. |
Yes, my mileage is very bad.
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did someone say Ford V6 eco boost?
I'll take mine in a Raptor thank you!
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| Quote: Originally posted by MMc | Consumer reports only has their reputation to stand on. Corporate money would only tarnish it and with it their business. Not logical to think other
wise. I have found them t be pretty on point overall.
I have a very good friend that lives in Alaska. The paved roads are 15+ miles away. He and His company use trucks exclusivity. He laughs at Toyota's
for his use, "they don't hold up" the suspensions break down with a couple of years. He like the ride but he stays American because they hold up
better. I think Ron Gomez said the same a while ago. I do not know anybody that pulls anything regularly that uses a Taco or a Tundra
Drive what you drive, you bought and you'll live with it. I do not understand a love affair with a auto or a tire, they are tools to be used. I think
some of this is to justify the money spent. I glad that Toyota is expanding in Baja, I wish they had more competition.
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A lot of the people I know that live here in Baja and have Toyotas report the
same. I have some friends that bought a brand new Tacoma in 2009, they had problems with broken springs, broken welds on body panels, and body parts
falling off, they also had a lot of problems with the windshield seal and trim. They don't hold up that well with daily driving on washboard roads.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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All of the Grandiose comments made about the revered (by DK) Toyota Tacoma are totally subjective...Its a truck, and not held in much regard by people
who buy trucks as working machines....Drive around the places that use TRUCKs, Farms, ranches ,feedlots etc...See any Toyotas? Nah....Get
realistic....
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| Quote: Originally posted by chuckie | | All of the Grandiose comments made about the revered (by DK) Toyota Tacoma are totally subjective...Its a truck, and not held in much regard by people
who buy trucks as working machines....Drive around the places that use TRUCKs, Farms, ranches ,feedlots etc...See any Toyotas? Nah....Get
realistic.... |
I guess that depends on what country you are working in?
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Almost all new trucks are getting better fuel mileage due to new technologies. Toyota needs to catch up. My 395 HP 5.7L v8 gets 18-20 on the hwy.
17 in town....if I keep my foot out of it. 3000 miles of baja 1000 chasing netted 18mpg. floor it you get 400 hp....drive rationally and it switches
to 4 cylinders when cruising.
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| Quote: Originally posted by chuckie | | All of the Grandiose comments made about the revered (by DK) Toyota Tacoma are totally subjective...Its a truck, and not held in much regard by people
who buy trucks as working machines....Drive around the places that use TRUCKs, Farms, ranches ,feedlots etc...See any Toyotas? Nah....Get
realistic.... |
Well, being realistic, there probably arent many people working on farms, ranches or feedlots on Nomads.
Probably 90% of truck owners on Nomads spend <10% of their miles hauling heavy loads.........or driving on dirt.
So, the Toyotas have to be considered because lots of people drive trucks on cushy pavement and just want something to haul their chit to the beach,
the mtns or the desert.
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Well, Chippy, I maybe should have made that clear....I work in the USofA...I dont know too many gringos in Baja that are farmer ranchers...In fact, I
dont know any...Does that help ya?
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TMW, where is the Ford F-150 in all those CR categories?
I guess maybe it is considered a mid-sized pick up and that is a different list? But it certainly competes head to head with the Tacoma for a truck
buyers dollar.
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Toyotas Have to, be considered for sure..BUT they are NOT the all singing, all dancing, super perfect trucks that some of the fanatics would have us
believe....They are...........Trucks......They break, they get stuck, they get lousy fuel mileage....Just like other .....trucks....I am planning on
getting a new truck in the spring when I get back from Baja.....Likely keep Ol Smokey to do the heavy lifting and buy something sportier, just because
I want one.....I betcha, a Ford....
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| Quote: Originally posted by Hook | | Quote: Originally posted by chuckie | | All of the Grandiose comments made about the revered (by DK) Toyota Tacoma are totally subjective...Its a truck, and not held in much regard by people
who buy trucks as working machines....Drive around the places that use TRUCKs, Farms, ranches ,feedlots etc...See any Toyotas? Nah....Get
realistic.... |
Well, being realistic, there probably arent many people working on farms, ranches or feedlots on Nomads.
Probably 90% of truck owners on Nomads spend <10% of their miles hauling heavy loads.........or driving on dirt.
So, the Toyotas have to be considered because lots of people drive trucks on cushy pavement and just want something to haul their chit to the beach,
the mtns or the desert. |
I use my truck for landscaping (and Baja) so I am constantly hauling heavy loads of sand, block, dirt, boulders, etc. My new Chevy 2500 has a payload
capacity of 4,400 lbs right out of the dealer's lot---Toyota Tundra is around 2,000, not even close.
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| Quote: Originally posted by DianaT | | Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Just posting what I was told years ago, and it made sense after observing the bias that became prevalent. No worries, follow CR all you want. I was
just very disappointed to hear that, as I had liked what they seemed to attempt to do. |
Wait, you accuse them of fraud...and now its "I was told years ago". Come on David.
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That is a serious accusation and it is just something you were told by someone? If it is true, I am sure there has to be backup and reports somewhere
or why would you want to harm the reputation of an organization based on something you heard?
That is a rhetorical question. |
Do I ever ask you or others to prove Fox News is biased or wrong (because they dare to provide all points of view instead of just the left)? NO,
because you are obviously projecting your opinions.
Now, I wasn't doing that here when I just said why I don't buy their magazines or read them anymore (Consumer Reports). I didn't think it required
evidence and it wasn't me making up something or shouting my feelings. I said I was disappointed in what I heard about them and then I saw bias.
Want some sources, try the Internet... I just did, go after these folks if you need to. I don't care... Here's just one hit, and it's anti-Toyota: http://forums.motortrend.com/70/8551685/the-general-forum/is...
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At least for cars Consumer Reports is. They have openly omitted to giving Toyota 5/5 stars on everything without even testing the vehicle.
That right there is total bias, wether they are paid or not, which make them void imo for all their vehicle reporting.
Read more: http://forums.motortrend.com/70/8551685/the-general-forum/is...
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Ralph, right below that reply is this one, of interest to your view on CR, perhaps?:
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"How do you rate squeaks and rattles compared to a transmission failure? "
Trackaholic raises a very good question. In CR's ratings they talk about "problems per 100 vehicles." But they never tell you WHAT kind of problems.
So if car A has 2 problems per 100, and car B has only 1, the car with only 1 problem per 100 gets a higher rating for reliability.
But what if Car A's problems were a broken cupholder and a run in the paint? And Car B's "only" problem was, the transmission fell out after 3000
miles???
Big difference.
CR does not tell you what the problems are, only their frequency. Highly, highly misleading, in my opinion.
Read more: http://forums.motortrend.com/70/8551685/the-general-forum/is...
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From Wiki, for those that think CR is free from error in their research:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Reports
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In 2006, Consumer Reports said six hybrid vehicles would probably not save owners money. The magazine later discovered that it had
miscalculated depreciation, and released an update stating that four of the seven vehicles would save the buyer money if the vehicles were kept for
five years (including the federal tax credit for hybrid vehicles, which expires after each manufacturer sells 60,000 hybrid vehicles).[43]
In February 1998, the magazine tested pet food and claimed that Iams dog food was nutritionally deficient. It later retracted the report claiming that
there had been "a systemic error in the measurements of various minerals we tested – potassium, calcium and magnesium.
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CR Tundra praise in error?
http://www.autospies.com/news/Should-You-Trust-Consumer-Repo...
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Consumer Reports, the publication of Consumer’s Union, has long been accused of a bias toward imported cars, particularly those made by
Japanese brand manufacturers, and against anything built by a Detroit automaker.
The bias hasn’t changed. Apparently, it’s intentional and institutional.
The current issue of Consumer Reports purports to offer a comparison test of the new Toyota Tundrapick-up truck and the Chevy Silverado, as well as
the Dodge Ram and Ford F-150.
So, you’d expect them to get comparable vehicles, wouldn’t you?
Apparently not if you’re the people at Consumer Reports. They pitted the Tundra with the optional 5.7 liter V-8 against the Chevy with the standard
5.3 liter engine, producing 66 hp less than the Tundra. They could have used the 6.0 liter optional Vortec V-9 MAX which is more closely comparable to
the optional Toyota engine, but they chose not to.
They also pitted a Tundra with a 4.30 axle ratio against the Silverado with a 3.73 ratio, then gave the Tundra praise for having better acceleration.
But the Silverado offers a 4.10 axle ratio as a no charge customer selection. Not only that, but they predicted that Toyota’s Tundra would have an
above average frequency of repair rating. The Silverado? Too new to classify.
The Toyota won the test.
Surprise.
It’s sorta like a boxing match were one of the competitors has his hands tied.
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The Internet is full of reported bias by Consumer Reports, I think I have shown that I am not alone in that thinking! Funny is that most think it is
biased for Toyota, and that does not make me happy or look the other way.
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You blatantly accuse CR of fraud
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I used to be a fan of CR many years ago, then I found out manufacturers can buy favorite treatment with them. I often wondered why a truck that got
excellent ratings one year changed to below average the next!? To provide the facts, not the money given, should be the reason for providing product
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And now you use forum comments and admitted CR errors to back it up? Where are the facts David...those appear to be honest admissions by CR.... and
opinions, much like yours. and like a burro everyone has one, even if they are incorrect. BACKUP YOU ACCUSATION.
more BS David?
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by DianaT | | Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Just posting what I was told years ago, and it made sense after observing the bias that became prevalent. No worries, follow CR all you want. I was
just very disappointed to hear that, as I had liked what they seemed to attempt to do. |
Wait, you accuse them of fraud...and now its "I was told years ago". Come on David.
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That is a serious accusation and it is just something you were told by someone? If it is true, I am sure there has to be backup and reports somewhere
or why would you want to harm the reputation of an organization based on something you heard?
That is a rhetorical question. |
Do I ever ask you or others to prove Fox News is biased or wrong (because they dare to provide all points of view instead of just the left)? NO,
because you are obviously projecting your opinions.
Now, I wasn't doing that here when I just said why I don't buy their magazines or read them anymore (Consumer Reports). I didn't think it required
evidence and it wasn't me making up something or shouting my feelings. I said I was disappointed in what I heard about them and then I saw bias.
Want some sources, try the Internet... I just did, go after these folks if you need to. I don't care... Here's just one hit, and it's anti-Toyota: http://forums.motortrend.com/70/8551685/the-general-forum/is...
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At least for cars Consumer Reports is. They have openly omitted to giving Toyota 5/5 stars on everything without even testing the vehicle.
That right there is total bias, wether they are paid or not, which make them void imo for all their vehicle reporting.
Read more: http://forums.motortrend.com/70/8551685/the-general-forum/is...
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Ralph, right below that reply is this one, of interest to your view on CR, perhaps?:
=========================================================
"How do you rate squeaks and rattles compared to a transmission failure? "
Trackaholic raises a very good question. In CR's ratings they talk about "problems per 100 vehicles." But they never tell you WHAT kind of problems.
So if car A has 2 problems per 100, and car B has only 1, the car with only 1 problem per 100 gets a higher rating for reliability.
But what if Car A's problems were a broken cupholder and a run in the paint? And Car B's "only" problem was, the transmission fell out after 3000
miles???
Big difference.
CR does not tell you what the problems are, only their frequency. Highly, highly misleading, in my opinion.
Read more: http://forums.motortrend.com/70/8551685/the-general-forum/is...
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From Wiki, for those that think CR is free from error in their research:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Reports
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In 2006, Consumer Reports said six hybrid vehicles would probably not save owners money. The magazine later discovered that it had
miscalculated depreciation, and released an update stating that four of the seven vehicles would save the buyer money if the vehicles were kept for
five years (including the federal tax credit for hybrid vehicles, which expires after each manufacturer sells 60,000 hybrid vehicles).[43]
In February 1998, the magazine tested pet food and claimed that Iams dog food was nutritionally deficient. It later retracted the report claiming that
there had been "a systemic error in the measurements of various minerals we tested – potassium, calcium and magnesium.
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CR Tundra praise in error?
http://www.autospies.com/news/Should-You-Trust-Consumer-Repo...
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Consumer Reports, the publication of Consumer’s Union, has long been accused of a bias toward imported cars, particularly those made by
Japanese brand manufacturers, and against anything built by a Detroit automaker.
The bias hasn’t changed. Apparently, it’s intentional and institutional.
The current issue of Consumer Reports purports to offer a comparison test of the new Toyota Tundrapick-up truck and the Chevy Silverado, as well as
the Dodge Ram and Ford F-150.
So, you’d expect them to get comparable vehicles, wouldn’t you?
Apparently not if you’re the people at Consumer Reports. They pitted the Tundra with the optional 5.7 liter V-8 against the Chevy with the standard
5.3 liter engine, producing 66 hp less than the Tundra. They could have used the 6.0 liter optional Vortec V-9 MAX which is more closely comparable to
the optional Toyota engine, but they chose not to.
They also pitted a Tundra with a 4.30 axle ratio against the Silverado with a 3.73 ratio, then gave the Tundra praise for having better acceleration.
But the Silverado offers a 4.10 axle ratio as a no charge customer selection. Not only that, but they predicted that Toyota’s Tundra would have an
above average frequency of repair rating. The Silverado? Too new to classify.
The Toyota won the test.
Surprise.
It’s sorta like a boxing match were one of the competitors has his hands tied.
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The Internet is full of reported bias by Consumer Reports, I think I have shown that I am not alone in that thinking! Funny is that most think it is
biased for Toyota, and that does not make me happy or look the other way.
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Many times when somebody says something people don't like they attack the messenger. We can all cherry pick our facts. Just because you disagree with
CR doesn't mean they are wrong. I have found them pretty accurate with their reviews whether I liked it or not. Please show me anything that comes
close for reviewing products.
Toyota makes good trucks as do GM, Ford, Dodge, MB and many others. I have friends that think highly of theirs. I have not had a mini-truck in 25+
years. My 1/2 & 3/4 tons have been American.
Any truck that gets me home is a good one.
I guess I am just a hater
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David, you are quite amusing. Where in any of those links does it say that "manufacturers can BUY favorite treatment with Consumer's report which
would be fraud. Opinions and errors are not fraud.
And who brought up anything about Faux News?
Thanks for the good morning laugh with my coffee.
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | I used to be a fan of CR many years ago, then I found out manufacturers can buy favorite treatment with them. I often wondered why a truck that got
excellent ratings one year changed to below average the next!? To provide the facts, not the money given, should be the reason for providing product
details. |
I really appreciate the opinions and links that people have provided --- lots of good things to mull over. Consumer Reports I consider just one
piece of the puzzle.
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Best truck in the world right now is the 2015 Silverado Z71 LTZ with Turbo Diesel
Everything else is playing for 2nd place.
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