When someone makes outlandish accusations such as DK has in the above posts...Their integrity might be in question. If they throw out statements
such as CR takes bribes (without providing any backup), what else do they write or say should be considered questionable. I don't know but ......
enough said. Ruined my own thread,....no big deal...go Toyota/go Baja.
I have worked in the forest industry in BC for 32 years. I have always had a full size Ford 350 . As far a work truck goes they are hard to beat.
Four guys in the truck, driving light speed down a bush road and not spilling a drop of my coffee.
When I downsized ny business a few years ago, I switched to a Tacoma since I did not have the need for a full size. It is a great little truck but if
I drive it like I drove my Ford it would be in two pieces in 6 months.
I baby my Tacoma and it has held up well for the last six years. Six years is a long time for a bush truck. If was gentle of an F350 it would have
lasted just as long but who buys a F350 to baby it.
I have a F350 I take to Baja to hold my camper and it has been great.
Toyotas are great and I love mine but they are not a real work truck for sure.
Hopefully that makes both side of the fence happy?
TMW, where is the Ford F-150 in all those CR categories?
I guess maybe it is considered a mid-sized pick up and that is a different list? But it certainly competes head to head with the Tacoma for a truck
buyers dollar.
The F150 is a full size truck, the Tacoma is a mid size truck. Not sure why CR didn't include the F150 in the reliability charts I posted above from
the Nov. 2014 issue. In the 2015 CR Buying Guide it does not list any trouble spots for the years 2012-2014 except a drive system on the 2012 2WD less
than average as well as the audio system on the 2013 2WD and 2014 4WD.
I have worked in the forest industry in BC for 32 years. I have always had a full size Ford 350 . As far a work truck goes they are hard to beat.
Four guys in the truck, driving light speed down a bush road and not spilling a drop of my coffee.
When I downsized ny business a few years ago, I switched to a Tacoma since I did not have the need for a full size. It is a great little truck but if
I drive it like I drove my Ford it would be in two pieces in 6 months.
I baby my Tacoma and it has held up well for the last six years. Six years is a long time for a bush truck. If was gentle of an F350 it would have
lasted just as long but who buys a F350 to baby it.
I have a F350 I take to Baja to hold my camper and it has been great.
Toyotas are great and I love mine but they are not a real work truck for sure.
Hopefully that makes both side of the fence happy?
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
When someone makes outlandish accusations such as DK has in the above posts...Their integrity might be in question. If they throw out statements
such as CR takes bribes (without providing any backup), what else do they write or say should be considered questionable. I don't know but ......
enough said. Ruined my own thread,....no big deal...go Toyota/go Baja.
Dk is usually wrong. Can't think of one thing he has got right.
All of the Grandiose comments made about the revered (by DK) Toyota Tacoma are totally subjective...Its a truck, and not held in much regard by people
who buy trucks as working machines....Drive around the places that use TRUCKs, Farms, ranches ,feedlots etc...See any Toyotas? Nah....Get
realistic....
The Tacoma is a good car for commuters that go to Home Depot once a month, and want to look like they drive a blue collar truck. It's for blue collar
posers. It's a light duty small pick up. The bed is not big enough to haul much. It's not a work truck.
Iis an uncomfortable ride. It's a very poor driver compared to the 4 runner.
All of the Grandiose comments made about the revered (by DK) Toyota Tacoma are totally subjective...Its a truck, and not held in much regard by people
who buy trucks as working machines....Drive around the places that use TRUCKs, Farms, ranches ,feedlots etc...See any Toyotas? Nah....Get
realistic....
The Tacoma is a good car for commuters that go to Home Depot once a month, and want to look like they drive a blue collar truck. It's for blue collar
posers. It's a light duty small pick up. The bed is not big enough to haul much. It's not a work truck.
Iis an uncomfortable ride. It's a very poor driver compared to the 4 runner.
Still waiting for you to get anything right, but not holding my breath... Here's your most recent doozie:
"The Tacoma is a good car for commuters that go to Home Depot once a month"
Here's a fellow Tacoma driver and I going to 'Home Depot' recently... LOL
They are not only going to 3 shifts in April but the will have nearly doubled the size of the manufacturing facility.
My son-in-laws company is responsible for providing Safety Enforcement during the construction process that has been going on for nearly a year now.
Yes, Mexico (at least this Tecate facility) has now adopted US safety standards for commercial construction projects.
Diana T kinda nailed it....DK is amusing...The slightest imagined slur against his beloved Tacoma, promotes a predictable deluge of Toyota ads and
carefully selected "facts"....And anyone not agreeing with them becomes a "hater". Incredibly immature....TOY otas are Ok, They aint perfect ,nor the
best...
I too use to be a fan of Consumers Reports as they filled a niche back 20+ years ago, but I slowly and frustratingly realized over the years that the
criteria used for THEIR evaluations of vehicles were mostly irrelevant to me, and they ignored criteria that was important to me. Thus, I have not
used CR for evaluations since that time, tho I occasionally go back and take a look---------and find they have NOT improved!!
It's all in what you are looking for.
I love my Ford Trucks, Nissan SUV's and trucks, and Toyota's and have had great luck with all of them. I also love my '89 Isuzu Trooper, but it has
cost me a small fortune over the years to keep it running right.
I too use to be a fan of Consumers Reports as they filled a niche back 20+ years ago, but I slowly and frustratingly realized over the years that the
criteria used for THEIR evaluations of vehicles were mostly irrelevant to me, and they ignored criteria that was important to me. Thus, I have not
used CR for evaluations since that time, tho I occasionally go back and take a look---------and find they have NOT improved!!
It's all in what you are looking for.
I love my Ford Trucks, Nissan SUV's and trucks, and Toyota's and have had great luck with all of them. I also love my '89 Isuzu Trooper, but it has
cost me a small fortune over the years to keep it running right.
I have no doubt that the Toyota TRD with all the bells and whistles is a good truck for offroading---problem is they're upwards of $35-40K now. The
base and medium models (pre-runner) are not, even if they have 4 wheel drive, such a durable truck. Contrast that with my 1992 Toyota---a base model
4 cylinder 4x4, manual hubs, took a beating and kept on going for 225K miles ( and is still on the road via my worker who bought it).
$23,100 for my new 2014 base model single cab 4WD. Manual windows and locks. 12,000 miles on it so far. I am not an "off" roader. Traveled many miles
of dirt roads, some marginal. Recently drove it in mud and through water, handled well. It rides rough when comparing to my Toyota Highlander. Has
comfortable bucket seats.
I purchased Toyota based on my experience with dependability and resale value of several previous Toyota cars and SUV's.
I rented 2WD Dodge Quad cab Hemi and Ford Quad cab new trucks before my purchase. Both were nice and much more luxurious, but both were much more
expensive trucks and not 4WD.
This is my first truck, and you will find me parked at Home Depot often, Haha. I previously had a new 2003 Jeep Rubicon that worked well in Baja.
Short wheel base makes for easy turns.
$23,100 for my new 2014 base model single cab 4WD. Manual windows and locks. 12,000 miles on it so far. I am not an "off" roader. Traveled many miles
of dirt roads, some marginal. Recently drove it in mud and through water, handled well. It rides rough when comparing to my Toyota Highlander. Has
comfortable bucket seats.
I purchased Toyota based on my experience with dependability and resale value of several previous Toyota cars and SUV's.
I rented 2WD Dodge Quad cab Hemi and Ford Quad cab new trucks before my purchase. Both were nice and much more luxurious, but both were much more
expensive trucks and not 4WD.
This is my first truck, and you will find me parked at Home Depot often, Haha. I previously had a new 2003 Jeep Rubicon that worked well in Baja.
Short wheel base makes for easy turns.
Diana T kinda nailed it....DK is amusing...The slightest imagined slur against his beloved Tacoma, promotes a predictable deluge of Toyota ads and
carefully selected "facts"....And anyone not agreeing with them becomes a "hater". Incredibly immature....TOY otas are Ok, They aint perfect ,nor the
best...
Yes, it is amusing --- and everyone has an opinion about magazines; but most refrain from accusing any of them of fraud. I know I did not care for
CR's report about the washing machine we bought; I should have called the local repair man first. But I don't think their report was because of any
manufacturer payoff. Good to check with lots of sources.
My son says we should quit looking at grocery getters, but need a ladder to get into his old Dodge Diesel and that I don't want!
Right now we are torn between the first of a model or the last of a model. Lots of potential downsides to either decision. And if we weren't so dang
old, we would wait another year. So we have enjoyed reading all the suggestions, opinions, and links.
And Ralph, I fear you did not hijack your thread, but I did.
My saying here what someone told me CR does is called 'hear-say' or 'second hand info', not fraud... I then posted lots of links to help others decide
if they think so ('We report so you can decide' is a great motto, right?).
Are you able to decide with evidence if my feelings about CR are correct or do you only rely on what I say here, and if it doesn't match your thinking
you say "fraud"?
So that you know the difference, here's an example:
Telling the American people their health care would be thousands cheaper and that they could keep their plan or doctor was fraud.
Diana T kinda nailed it....DK is amusing...The slightest imagined slur against his beloved Tacoma, promotes a predictable deluge of Toyota ads and
carefully selected "facts"....And anyone not agreeing with them becomes a "hater". Incredibly immature....TOY otas are Ok, They aint perfect ,nor the
best...
Yes, it is amusing --- and everyone has an opinion about magazines; but most refrain from accusing any of them of fraud. I know I did not care for
CR's report about the washing machine we bought; I should have called the local repair man first. But I don't think their report was because of any
manufacturer payoff. Good to check with lots of sources.
My son says we should quit looking at grocery getters, but need a ladder to get into his old Dodge Diesel and that I don't want!
Right now we are torn between the first of a model or the last of a model. Lots of potential downsides to either decision. And if we weren't so dang
old, we would wait another year. So we have enjoyed reading all the suggestions, opinions, and links.
And Ralph, I fear you did not hijack your thread, but I did.
[Edited on 12-9-2014 by DianaT]
Thats OK. At least you didn't lie about it! Its amusing, but if someone is going to slander something as silly as a magazine, it makes you wonder
what else they might make up. Would have been easier to do as Barry did and just say I don't like the magazine. Oh well, wonder how the Toyota
plant is doing in Baja?
My saying here what someone told me CR does is called 'hear-say' or 'second hand info', not fraud... I then posted lots of links to help others decide
if they think so ('We report so you can decide' is a great motto, right?).
Are you able to decide with evidence if my feelings about CR are correct or do you only rely on what I say here, and if it doesn't match your thinking
you say "fraud"?
So that you know the difference, here's an example:
Telling the American people their health care would be thousands cheaper and that they could keep their plan or doctor was fraud.
Merry Christmas!
You really are amusing.
For the sake of jobs, I hope the Toyota plant is doing well and continues to do so.
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