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rts551
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I think this is a little different than driving recklessly.
Makes you think twice about Violence in BCS
in English translated from an article in http://zetatijuana.com/
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/12/la-paz-seido-target-hi...
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i have to go on my personal experiences and that of people I have talked to in person. Driving on the roads is by far the most hazardous thing in
Baja.
What, anything North of El Rosario and South of Lopez Mateos has to to with the Baja I care about, I'm not sure. The rest is all plastic bags and
dust.
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Quote: Originally posted by Gulliver  | i have to go on my personal experiences and that of people I have talked to in person. Driving on the roads is by far the most hazardous thing in
Baja.
What, anything North of El Rosario and South of Lopez Mateos has to to with the Baja I care about, I'm not sure. The rest is all plastic bags and
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If I understand you correctly, that is too bad.
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I have complained that it is getting harder to spell adventure with capitol letters, maybe that's changing.
How many people will change their behavior because of a Gov. warring? I just do what I do, "lay low ans sip slow". 
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
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BCS now on U.S. travel advisory
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85 US citizens murdered so far in 2014 in all of Mexico!! WOW!
The Chicago SunTImes says that more than 500 US citizens have been murdered so far in that fair city in 2014.
So, where would you rather be??
Baja or Chicago....
Gee, tough choice, such a dangerous place to be....
And, now I know that driving over 100KPH on the Carreterra (that is a spectacular 62 MPH for those without ready conversion kits) is striking terror
into the hearts of many.
Interesting times, for sure....
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| Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner | 85 US citizens murdered so far in 2014 in all of Mexico!! WOW!
The Chicago SunTImes says that more than 500 US citizens have been murdered so far in that fair city in 2014.
So, where would you rather be??
Baja or Chicago....
Gee, tough choice, such a dangerous place to be....
wow
And, now I know that driving over 100KPH on the Carreterra (that is a spectacular 62 MPH for those without ready conversion kits) is striking terror
into the hearts of many.
Interesting times, for sure.... |
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I don't vacation in Chicago...but if I did I guess I could quote the murder rate in Iraq.
I do not want to be #86 either. I think I will be aware.
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | I don't vacation in Chicago...but if I did I guess I could quote the murder rate in Iraq.
I do not want to be #86 either. I think I will be aware. |
Well said. The comparisons are rather meaningless.
There are parts of the mainland Mexico where we have traveled in the past, but just won't travel right now, and other places where we will still
travel. When we head back down Baja this spring, will avoid Guerrero Negro and drive right on through Vizcaino. There are only a few gas stations
in Guerrero Negro and we found it very disturbing that a couple of people were blown away in one of them. We found it disturbing enough when the
restaurant owner was killed in his restaurant where we used to like to eat, but this was even more disturbing. It is not like one can avoid being in
the "wrong" part of town. And when one of the cartels starts hanging warning signs on the fences of the schools in Vizcaino, well it is time to
drive on through.
[Edited on 12-28-2014 by DianaT]
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| Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner | 85 US citizens murdered so far in 2014 in all of Mexico!! WOW!
The Chicago SunTImes says that more than 500 US citizens have been murdered so far in that fair city in 2014.
So, where would you rather be??
Baja or Chicago....
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I like traveling in Chicago and Baja. So, I choose to visit both places.
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Chicago....... I spent a year there one weekend......
{my edit} Kinda like Texas...... 
[Edited on 12-28-2014 by bajabuddha]
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I agree that there is no nexus between Chi and Baja.
However, it does put the issue in clear perspective.
My real question....
How many US citizens murdered in Mexico were killed by another US citizen, even more specifically someone that they knew...
I am doubtful that all of these murders were committed by locals.
And, another interesting stat would be how many US citizens murdered in the two states of BC and BCS.
By Mexicans....
bet that total is in single digits, likely close to zero.
(still wondering how frightening it might be to see someone drive 100kph on the Carreterra)
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Does this mean that I should leave Tailhunter earlier?
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And how many of those US citizens were involved in criminal activity either in Mexico or the US (or both). We seldom hear of the "back story" to any
of these deaths.
| Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner | I agree that there is no nexus between Chi and Baja.
However, it does put the issue in clear perspective.
My real question....
How many US citizens murdered in Mexico were killed by another US citizen, even more specifically someone that they knew...
I am doubtful that all of these murders were committed by locals.
And, another interesting stat would be how many US citizens murdered in the two states of BC and BCS.
By Mexicans....
bet that total is in single digits, likely close to zero.
(still wondering how frightening it might be to see someone drive 100kph on the Carreterra) |
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| Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner | 85 US citizens murdered so far in 2014 in all of Mexico!! WOW!
The Chicago SunTImes says that more than 500 US citizens have been murdered so far in that fair city in 2014.
So, where would you rather be??
Baja or Chicago....
Baja sur approxamate population of 600,000.. Chicago population near 3,000000. I know that corruption in both places runs rampant, but in Chicago the
police arent going to kidnap and kill ya... |
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Tourist Travel in Chicago
Not MY kind of town, BUT...............Looking at a map depicting the pattern of homicides in Chicago and the breakdown by race with 70 percent of
victims [mostly younger] Blacks, it's pretty clear that most tourists coming to town wouldn't be likely victims unless they
were touring certain neighborhoods for illicit purposes.
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rts551
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Off-duty cop taken down by hitmen with AK47s in La Paz
http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/policia-estatal-atacado-en-arcoiri...
Ya I know, It happens all the time somewhere else.....Keep your head down! you don't wat to be #86
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| Quote: Originally posted by DianaT | | Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | I don't vacation in Chicago...but if I did I guess I could quote the murder rate in Iraq.
I do not want to be #86 either. I think I will be aware. |
Well said. The comparisons are rather meaningless.
There are parts of the mainland Mexico where we have traveled in the past, but just won't travel right now, and other places where we will still
travel. When we head back down Baja this spring, will avoid Guerrero Negro and drive right on through Vizcaino. There are only a few gas stations
in Guerrero Negro and we found it very disturbing that a couple of people were blown away in one of them. We found it disturbing enough when the
restaurant owner was killed in his restaurant where we used to like to eat, but this was even more disturbing. It is not like one can avoid being in
the "wrong" part of town. And when one of the cartels starts hanging warning signs on the fences of the schools in Vizcaino, well it is time to
drive on through.
[Edited on 12-28-2014 by DianaT] |
Curious as to which restaurant owner you are referring to.
That said, a number of years ago, a local, who we had become to know, said that virtually all the Pemex stations in GN are gaming the pumps, and he
suggested that f we can drive that far, we should get gas in Vizcaino.
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I will stop in GN if needs be and Vizcaino has always been suspect but these are my local towns so ....
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Redmesa...do you live here? would you know the history of the various owners of these stations?
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