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Gulliver
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I fully expect that what ever they do out West of town will either have no effect or make things worse. Come on! It's Mexico!
At the rate the N.E. Pacific surface temps are rising I have hopes that the storm tracks will curve even more to the East and miss us. I can dream,
can't I?
With any luck those dolts in Bug Tussle, Texas will get stomped big time by Caribbean hurricanes and dry up with the climate denials.
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bajabuddha
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The answer to the problem is quite simple, if put into terms. Behind Mulege is a giant catcher's mitt, and the BFR's on either side of the bridge is
where your hand goes into the mitt. Problem is, BIG MITT, little hand. An amazing geographical/geological basin, all into one little bitty funnel.
Whadayagonnado? There aren't many (if any) choke-points to build retaining dams. If upper trenches or retaining ponds are in place, more mosquitoes,
more Dengue...... unless a comprehensive plan was to be put in place by qualified engineers.
Qualified engineers? Baja doesn't even have any train tracks. (SARCASM, FOLKS). The only answer for now is, if you build in the KNOWN flood plains,
plan on 1/3rd of every 3 vacations cleaning up, even if you have a live-and-move pad. Lordy, folks... 10 years ago the writing was on the wall what
was going to come, and guess what... it did, again and again and again..... so did ditches, and more mud....
Well, i'll be dammed (spelling intended). After 10 years living in Anazazi country we learned they didn't build on flood plains; they built above
where the spring floods irrigated the lands they'd quickly plant. Some cultures only take a couple of storms to say "Oh shucks, this isn't a good
spot!" regardless of how esthetic and pleasing it is...... for now.
Twenty-thirty years ago Mulege had no internet; just word-of-mouth and oral history. Seen the ''Oooh, Paradise!''-ers come and go. Hopefully newer
investors realize when it comes to the pinch-point in Mulege, "It ain't nice to fool Mother Nature".
Chuck, when you get there, you know people. Is it possible to suggest a north road to Loma Azul ABOVE the friggin' flood-plane? Remember the 6 -
"P"s? Mulege, my heart will always be a part of you and your Pueblo; my favorite spot in all the Americas.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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Marc
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Is there any kind of science or engineering involved in all of this?
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alacran
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Yes there is silt in the river, however most of the problem comes from the cheap houses that were build around the river edges, and pushed in the
river, as a clean up.
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Gulliver
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Of course a house in a flood plane is going to get flooded. Duh? But my house was built well before this recent spate of storms. Five floods in
thirteen years? This is a historical anomaly and maybe it will continue and maybe not.
The storm tracks have shifted. No question. And the more extensive activity up in the valley, mostly new agriculture, has caused a lot more silt down
stream. And then the recent earth moving has really stirred things up.
It wouldn't be necessary to dredge and the floods wouldn't be quite so bad if there weren't all these things coming together.
There is no easy fix. I'm living with it. And I'm far from well to do. I just clean up and enjoy the wonderful place and people. Now if the cold
weather will just ease up?
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cervezafrio
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To Live or Die and maybe just Exist... that is the question. Many years passed I remember walking the roads of Mulege. Even a pleasant stroll down the
south river road. Charming houses, over hanging trees, small boats parked in front of some houses. It was quite the picturesque of quaint. Very
Charming, the only negative I could see was Mulege was full of old people having fun. Now that I have matured into this category I realize that quaint
and old is not that bad.----- But that was light years ago. Yes things have changed, and some changes are irreversible. It will take years for the
mangrove tress to canopy the roads again. Years I do not have. This is the point that Mulege needs to decide it's future. To try and regain some of
it's past glory or will it just try to survive on half rations. Yes the town can survive, But is minimal existence really living. What does the
younger generation have to dream about? Feeding their family with a dwindling fish reserve, or on construction projects that depend on foreign
investments. Both are not dependable. The foreigners' [out of towner's] are like the fish, with out bait they go other places to live.
The river flooding problem is a multiple problem and the answer is a multiple answer. Which has been discussed and re-discussed to no equable
solution. Yes I do have my own version. But with out the support of the Mexican people and especially the Mexican Government, nothing will be done. If
they want Mulege to survive and continue they need to be involved. Not a easy solution to get the Government to care about a small but special part of
Baja.. Especially when the favorite tourist areas get special treatment. Please do not tell me it's all about the money. Even if it is true.
For myself I will repair my property. But only to a usable state. I will not invest more money and time to a concept that only I care about.
Coming to Mulege and investing in Mulege will not become a perpetual build and rebuild vacation destination. No, that does not mean I am leaving. But
it does mean that I will not dump my hard earned income into a never ending building project. The point of this venting is not a complain session. But
to get more like minded people to try and convince the people of Mulege and the Government people to realize that with out some real concrete
solutions. To offer some real hope to the people. That the demise of Mulege is inevitable . Then every body loses. I have been up and down the Baja
and I can honestly say that Mulege offers some thing special that other towns and cities do not. To lose this Baja treasure would be a shame on Mexico
and a loss to all...
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toneart
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Quote: Originally posted by Gulliver  | Of course a house in a flood plane is going to get flooded. Duh? But my house was built well before this recent spate of storms. Five floods in
thirteen years? This is a historical anomaly and maybe it will continue and maybe not.
The storm tracks have shifted. No question. And the more extensive activity up in the valley, mostly new agriculture, has caused a lot more silt down
stream. And then the recent earth moving has really stirred things up.
It wouldn't be necessary to dredge and the floods wouldn't be quite so bad if there weren't all these things coming together.
There is no easy fix. I'm living with it. And I'm far from well to do. I just clean up and enjoy the wonderful place and people. Now if the cold
weather will just ease up?
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Yes! You have stated the reality of what has happened, what is the current status and what you have to do...clean up! Not ideal, but it is what you
have to do. There is lots of help available. It is not too expensive and you do not have to walk away from your investment or your life in Mulege.
People in the past have chided us for building there in the first place, and then ridiculed us for "rebuilding". Rebuilding is not what we do. I do
not know anybody whose house was totally destroyed who has rebuilt. That would be stupid.
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toneart
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| Quote: Originally posted by cervezafrio | To Live or Die and maybe just Exist... that is the question. Many years passed I remember walking the roads of Mulege. Even a pleasant stroll down the
south river road. Charming houses, over hanging trees, small boats parked in front of some houses. It was quite the picturesque of quaint. Very
Charming, the only negative I could see was Mulege was full of old people having fun. Now that I have matured into this category I realize that quaint
and old is not that bad.----- But that was light years ago. Yes things have changed, and some changes are irreversible. It will take years for the
mangrove tress to canopy the roads again. Years I do not have. This is the point that Mulege needs to decide it's future. To try and regain some of
it's past glory or will it just try to survive on half rations. Yes the town can survive, But is minimal existence really living. What does the
younger generation have to dream about? Feeding their family with a dwindling fish reserve, or on construction projects that depend on foreign
investments. Both are not dependable. The foreigners' [out of towner's] are like the fish, with out bait they go other places to live.
The river flooding problem is a multiple problem and the answer is a multiple answer. Which has been discussed and re-discussed to no equable
solution. Yes I do have my own version. But with out the support of the Mexican people and especially the Mexican Government, nothing will be done. If
they want Mulege to survive and continue they need to be involved. Not a easy solution to get the Government to care about a small but special part of
Baja.. Especially when the favorite tourist areas get special treatment. Please do not tell me it's all about the money. Even if it is true.
For myself I will repair my property. But only to a usable state. I will not invest more money and time to a concept that only I care about.
Coming to Mulege and investing in Mulege will not become a perpetual build and rebuild vacation destination. No, that does not mean I am leaving. But
it does mean that I will not dump my hard earned income into a never ending building project. The point of this venting is not a complain session. But
to get more like minded people to try and convince the people of Mulege and the Government people to realize that with out some real concrete
solutions. To offer some real hope to the people. That the demise of Mulege is inevitable . Then every body loses. I have been up and down the Baja
and I can honestly say that Mulege offers some thing special that other towns and cities do not. To lose this Baja treasure would be a shame on Mexico
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Well said! Your love for Mulege and its people is something others who have not experienced its charm and its magic, cannot appreciate. Loss is
difficult to handle. It will never be the same. But you pick up and do the best you can, and hope that you get government attention and support...for
the sake of the locals even more that for our sake.
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David K
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Rivers flood, and the Mulege river is no different... The padres almost moved the mission in 1770 to La Magdalena after a flood destroyed the
farmlands at the mission. No new climate change, it has been happening here since before the history was first recorded there (1705).
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motoged
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Very nicely said. 
Mulege is a special place for me and only regret not having more time there.
Don't believe everything you think....
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me2zoomie
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Rivers flood, and the Mulege river is no different... The padres almost moved the mission in 1770 to La Magdalena after a flood destroyed the
farmlands at the mission. No new climate change, it has been happening here since before the history was first recorded there (1705).
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Actually perhaps you should look at the historic data for the last century: 2 floods 40 and 55 years separated from the latest 13 years worth.
And yes, the Mulege "River" is different, because it is not a river. It's a shallow arroyo system draining a large plain into an ESTUARY - the thing
most gringos think of as a river. Most estuaries in the world do not flood except in extreme weather events like hurricanes (?) and tsunamis. In the
recent past the waters off Baja Sur have warmed more than the rest of the eastern Pacific and drawn the low pressure systems (read "hurricanes")
north, so that they have been effecting us more.
So history and science, so much better than opinion.
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David K
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Yes indeed!
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toneart
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River, stay away from my door!
http://www.musictory.fr/musique/Jimmy+Rushing/River%2C+Stay+...
Jimmy Rushing with Dave Brubeck
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Gulliver
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Here's what my house will probably look like after the next flood!
http://traveltips4life.condition.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/u...
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cervezafrio
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The Real Story Is? Read in another post that road work is in progress on the north river road. Is this a fill the 'pot hole' project or some thing
that is more formidable. Is there concrete involved? Has any one talked with anybody that has reliable information? Besides the north road does any
other part of Mulege have reconstruction? Does the south road have any progress on repairs? Obviously there are more questions than real answers.
Living in the dark. But at least not in the Dark Side of Life.
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willyAirstream
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River road sur - the road is gone from Leon`s house to town. Water is up to Leons place and the next house . Road is usable from the Oasis to the
Jungla. The new water line blocks the road at the Jungla. Road is somewhat usable via 4wheel or a quad to the light house from the jungla. There is no
work in progress.
The road from the school past the mission, out toward the ball field is being elevated with dirt.
The road from under the bridge to the mission is open, but still is just a temporary solution.
The small bridge under the big bridge is open but road is undermined and in need of repair.
There have been dump trucks taking dirt to the north road continually for 2 weeks plus. No sign of concrete.
Price of dirt has dropped to 100 for a truck load.
The undermined pothole on the highway, 1.5 k south of town is still not repaired after at least 2 months and continues to be a hazard.
The road out to Rays has been widened and graded. Almost a freeway.
In town has the usual potholes but nothing serious.
To get to town from your house, via quad or moto, you will need to cut thru the Oasis to the highway into town.
I will be going out to El Patron tomorrow and will take pics.
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mtnpop
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Richard,
we have not made it down yet but we understand the south road is not there from the Oasis to Leon's place by the Orchard either...
Water line is at least to t he park wall.. The estuary is wider than ever most of the way from town..
And a big chunk of the malecon is undermined...
Large portion went out past the lighthouse..
See you next month...
Common sense is a flower that doesn\'t grow in everyone\'s garden.....
A wise man once spoke nothing.....
Never kick a cow chip on a hot day!!
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cervezafrio
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Mulege the only town I know of that goes backwards in life. Next time it will be like the 1800's .. Only a Mule with a good pair of shoes required.
Maybe that is what Mulege means in 1800 Mexicana speak.
But in todays world maybe going backwards is going forward ?
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cessna821
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I can see why some folks might think things are going backwards - I order gas from Gaspasa for delivery to Loma Azul one day, it arrives the following
day and it is the same price I was paying in England thirty years ago!
Surveyors from La Paz came here a couple weeks ago to check on progress of the north riverside road. Good access is important to Loma Azul as it is a
permanent residential community and has the Marine Base.
Anyway ... we now have more trucks dumping rocks to infill a breach alongside the road, after truck loads of earth were used to build up the road and
it was graded. The good work is going on and the road is driveable by any vehicle.
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chuckie
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Good news for us Loma Azulers...
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