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55 DEAD DOLPHINS
Wow I wonder if the changing times are responsible for the deaths of these beautiful creatures.
I cant paste the article, but if you go to zetatijuana.com you can read the story. Looks like this happened in San Felipe.
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Hallan 55 delfines y 4 lobos marinos muertos en Playa de San Felipe
Google Translate:
Through a statement, the Federal Attorney for Environmental Protection (PROFEPA) reported that found the remains of 55 dolphins and 4 sea lions
stranded on a beach strip almost 124 km -for the south of the town of San Felipe. So far, the cause of death of the animals are unknown.
It was through a citizen complaint that reported finding the PROFEPA Baja California, so the land tour was held on March 11 in the southern part of
San Felipe, Baja California, from the place called "La Hacienda" to the fishing camp called "El Caracol", located opposite the Puertecitos-San Luis
Gonzaga, Ensenada, Baja California highway.
"In that traveled a total of 55 dolphins and 4 sea lions were found dead; these are found scattered manner (various events) along the beach (sandy
substrate)"
The statement added that the species is identified sea lion Zalophus californianus and species of dolphin is Delphinus spp. (Common dolphin).
"Of the bodies found, it is assumed that 22 dolphins have about 20 days or more have died (in some cases already seen the skeleton), and the remaining
33 dolphins coupled with sea lions April 4, is estimated to be approximately of 5-7 days dead. "
All animals in an advanced state of decomposition. The cause of death is unknown, since the observation of the specimens is highlighted not have any
laceration or wound or no presence of nets, hooks or traces indicating that death is attributable to fishing.
The information indicates that local fishermen mentioned that recently the unusual sighting of over 200 dolphins was in the area with apparent good
health.
The Delegation of PROFEPA in BC contacted research institutions and staff of the Federal Commission for Protection against Health Risks
(COFEPRIS) in order to investigate the causes of the deaths.
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With a sea full of life, and life isn't forever, there will be a lot a death... always. We are all here for a relatively short time.
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  | | With a sea full of life, and life isn't forever, there will be a lot a death... always. We are all here for a relatively short time.
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Why is it that "protected" mammal species always make the news as dying from "unknown causes" while with we unprotected human species the cause is
always known?
Bob Durrell
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | With a sea full of life, and life isn't forever, there will be a lot a death... always. We are all here for a relatively short time.
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No David, something is up, these dolphins don't just wash up dead. Last week I was reading another article on 150 adult sea turtles found dead at San
Ignacio Lagoon. I cant find it however.
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| Quote: Originally posted by luv2fish | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | With a sea full of life, and life isn't forever, there will be a lot a death... always. We are all here for a relatively short time.
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No David, something is up, these dolphins don't just wash up dead. Last week I was reading another article on 150 adult sea turtles found dead at San
Ignacio Lagoon. I cant find it however. |
Yes, something is up... their time on Earth. Whatever the cause, all we can really do is examine the animals and take water samples... it isn't going
to change what's happened. If the cause is man created, like fertilizer runoff (I doubt it, no farms on the gulf coast of Baja anyway) then it will
take lot's of effort to get the Mexican farmers to change what they do.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by luv2fish | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | With a sea full of life, and life isn't forever, there will be a lot a death... always. We are all here for a relatively short time.
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No David, something is up, these dolphins don't just wash up dead. Last week I was reading another article on 150 adult sea turtles found dead at San
Ignacio Lagoon. I cant find it however. |
Yes, something is up... their time on Earth. Whatever the cause, all we can really do is examine the animals and take water samples... it isn't going
to change what's happened. If the cause is man created, like fertilizer runoff (I doubt it, no farms on the gulf coast of Baja anyway) then it will
take lot's of effort to get the Mexican farmers to change what they do. |
I think someone should throw professor DK out in that water and see what happens, it's human caused and DK is to
ignorant to see the writing on the wall,once again
So understand dont waste your time always searching for those wasted years
face up and make your stand and realize that your living in the golden years
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| Quote: Originally posted by blackwolfmt | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by luv2fish | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | With a sea full of life, and life isn't forever, there will be a lot a death... always. We are all here for a relatively short time.
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No David, something is up, these dolphins don't just wash up dead. Last week I was reading another article on 150 adult sea turtles found dead at San
Ignacio Lagoon. I cant find it however. |
Yes, something is up... their time on Earth. Whatever the cause, all we can really do is examine the animals and take water samples... it isn't going
to change what's happened. If the cause is man created, like fertilizer runoff (I doubt it, no farms on the gulf coast of Baja anyway) then it will
take lot's of effort to get the Mexican farmers to change what they do. |
I think someone should throw professor DK out in that water and see what happens, it's human caused and DK is to
ignorant to see the writing on the wall,once again |
He really does give new meaning to the word IGNORANT, I am afraid for him it may be terminal.
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Why do you think it is human caused... other than your wanting to blame man for everything bad and Nature has no say in life? I would LOVE actual
facts and not just forecasts based on limited data collection.
If a farm near Puerto Penasco is using something bad, I hope it can be stopped... I don't like dead animals on the beach anymore than the next guy. I
just don't believe making life hell for people is the end-all solution, if it doesn't change anything.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Why do you think it is human caused... ........ I just don't believe making life hell for people is the end-all solution, if it doesn't change
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No one said it was human-caused....the original poster wondered if it was a symptom of the changing times.
And who is making life hell for you and/or others, David?
If life is hell for you these days, that is just too bad....as you pointed out, living organisms die, so suck it up.
It would be a treat to get the sense that you care for the planet as much as you do defending Toyotas.
Don't believe everything you think....
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| Quote: Originally posted by durrelllrobert | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | With a sea full of life, and life isn't forever, there will be a lot a death... always. We are all here for a relatively short time.
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Why is it that "protected" mammal species always make the news as dying from "unknown causes" while with we unprotected human species the cause is
always known? |
I will take a run at that:
1) "Protected" animals are protected as they are likely at risk of unnecessary destruction....limiting the bio-diversity of the planet, tipping the
balance, and because it will be sad when all the endangered species disappear (often due to human encroachment). "Sad" doesn't cut it for some
folks.....but human emotions play into human behaviours one way or another.
The mystery of causality at times becomes the question....and human curiousity has led in some situations to the development of "the
sciences"....which has tended to be a useful pastime for humans and other organisms on the planet. What is killing "them" might end up killing
"us".....so the enquiry has value.
" Protected species" at times attract more attention due to their scarcity.....and that sometimes makes things more valuable (e.g. gold is
more valuable than manure in most situation due to gold's scarcity....as well as for reasons of application/utility.....).
And it makes the news because of the unusual nature of the incident and because people might be interested in that information. Why do you
read or watch tv? .....at least for entertainment if not learning, I would assume.
2) I think the human species IS being protected.....mostly by its self.....as we have abilities beyond other species that allow us to protect
ourselves.....other species have their own survival protection behaviours going on. Biological organisms are designed to eat, reproduce, and
die.....we at our end of that food chain do it in our own peculiar ways.....writing about it or newscasting it is easier for us than for sea lions and
dolphins....and we just don't know if or how sea lions and dolphins are presenting their concerns of their demise or unusual events that seem to cause
irregular patterns.
Maybe we know the causes for our human deaths because science (human curiousity intelligently pursued) has helped us explain that.
However, we don't know what caused the "disappearance" of that Malaysian plane....but if someone figures it out it might prevent the likelihood of
such an event happening again. Simply saying, "Well, we all die after a while anyways....so don't worry or think about it." isn't a very intelligent
way of explaining or responding to it.
There is enough evidence that other organisms have survival mechanisms that help them protect themselves.....
Maybe humans could help be the caretakers of the planet more than the consumers of it.
But maybe humans are simply a type of virus/parasite that is consuming its host. And maybe we are not as high and mighty as we think.....and the
c-ckroaches will far outlive our species.
Just some thoughts.....
[Edited on 3-13-2015 by motoged]
Don't believe everything you think....
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Is our English that much different? I didn't say it was hell for me...
"I just don't believe making life hell for people is the end-all solution, if it doesn't change anything."
I am not selfish, I am thinking of my fellow man (all people) that government can ruin the hopes and dreams of for some do-gooder cause that ends up
having worse results than if never messed with.
Make sense? Or, are you of the kind who thinks anything done by man is bad and it takes government (a village, lol) to make it right.
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Yes, the "Queen's English" IS different than "American English"....but that has nothing to do with my comment, usually it only pertains to spelling,
David.
You, as a person, I assumed would be included in the 'people" in the hell you referred to. Maybe you are an alien and not one of "We, the
people".....but I trust that you are one of the "people".
Aside from your tireless rant against government, you might want to consider the nature of change.....but you certainly don't have to agree.
An interesting read that will only take a few minutes:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/the-anthropocene-was-1610-the-start-of-the-age-of-man-1.2993907
Don't believe everything you think....
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K |
Liberals don't trust people, think people are unable to take care of themselves, and think only they are benevolent enough to to provide our needs.
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David,
Thanks for explaining that....I finally understand your viewpoint 
It took me a while....but my 63 years of life experience was getting my way of your logic.....I will go for some electroshock therapy and catch up
with your way of thinking.
Don't believe everything you think....
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Yes, something is up... their time on Earth. Whatever the cause, all we can really do is examine the animals and take water samples... it isn't going
to change what's happened. If the cause is man created, like fertilizer runoff (I doubt it, no farms on the gulf coast of Baja anyway) then it will
take lot's of effort to get the Mexican farmers to change what they do. |
And isn't the "we" who will try to get to the bottom of this the various government agencies charged with determining the cause?
Experience enables you to recognize a mistake every time you repeat it.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Not against government at all. Why is it difficult for you to understand I am for limited government, and more freedom. The government our founders
gave us, not the mega disaster we have allowed it to become.
Liberals don't trust people, think people are unable to take care of themselves, and think only they are benevolent enough to to provide our needs.
I trust people and people can take care of the local needs, locally while still honoring the rights of all to equal opportunity and equal justice. The
purpose of federal government is to protect the people from foreign threats, the national defense, and any forms of fraud. |
Dk:
Trusting people is not a liberal or conservative thing. Smart liberals and smart conservatives do not trust people until those people prove their
reliability. You are a fool to trust strangers. Half of people are stupid, and most people are selfish.
P.s. As a general rule, the least trust worthy politicians are the conservatives. They are the ones that put corporations and money before commoners
[Edited on 3-14-2015 by mtgoat666]
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Why do you think it is human caused... other than your wanting to blame man for everything bad and Nature has no say in life? I would LOVE actual
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"Climate change can no longer be discounted in any future energy business model. The pressures to deal with a phenomenon that could quite literally
destroy human civilization are growing."
From the article: The Real Reason Behind the Oil Price Collapse
http://www.thenation.com/article/201249/real-reason-behind-o...
These are the people (BP, Exxon,...) who stand to win or lose the most in the debate over climate change, and they had changed their minds a decade
ago but could not resist the stockholder demands to not make climate specific enhancements to their model lest it cost them MONEY.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Why do you think it is human caused... other than your wanting to blame man for everything bad and Nature has no say in life? I would LOVE actual
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Here is a ACTUAL FACT that you can LOVE!!!
At one point in my life I was busy blowing up nuclear devices on/in/or above the Pacific Ocean to see what would happen. (ya know how it goes, did it
when you were a kid "NOW, this time let's use a WHOLE PACK of Mint-O's)".
I have related this before on forum and the one reply said "Sounds better than dynamiting fishies".
So, we're 400 miles SW of San Diego on this one underwater shoot, a 13.5 KiloTon device. That put's us about due West of Shari and Juan's with a
device about the size of the one we used at Hiroshima on REAL PEOPLE.
As a commercial fisherman I wondered about the sea life and sustainability even then (five decades ago) and particularly what would happen to the
mammals when an explosion of this magnitude occurred in an environment (sea water) 700 times more dense than surface air.
The water transmits well as we know of mammals communicating over tens and possibly even hundreds of miles using VLF (which we were using listening in
on the Russian subs at that time from the full-wave antenna site on the strand north of Imperial Beach).
So, KA-BOOM went the explosion and then KA-BANG many seconds later as the explosive force hit and rebounded with much more force from the sea-floor.
Knocked all four generators off the four 900 hp ALCO diesels and we were DEAD in the water.
How many mammals died? Had hearing problems and were no longer communicative? How far away did we hurt them?
"Who gives a chit!" Now we know what will happen to the enemy.
I wanted to puke.
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wrong formum?
Ron San Felipe Oct, Nov. Feb. Mar. April. remainder in Juneau Ak
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Some quick reading indicates that the reason these animals beach themselves in groups is not known. It is not something new.
Here's one article, it's about whales and dolphins:
http://environment.about.com/od/biodiversityconservation/f/w...
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