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MrBillM
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Just Say NO ?
Well, I don't KNOW.
Once (and only once) many years ago, I managed to irritate a CBP officer WHO.......................
Sent me to Secondary, called for a replacement and followed me there. At which point, he and two others emptied EVERYTHING
from my truck, took me inside and sat me in a waiting area while they (supposedly) ran a criminal check on me (including, they said, Interpol) and
then escorted me back to the Secondary area where I was allowed to repack my goods and go on my way.
Two Hours +.
Point Taken.
I have NEVER given them ANY Lip since.
Of course, other than (once in awhile) a "Bit" more alcohol than allowed and (a few times) some Totuava Fillets, I haven't had anything to hide,
including anything on my computers.
Going South was always another matter.
As I said once to a CBP agent, "ALL of my hidden stuff is in the other direction".
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wessongroup
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Suppose one could consider that a form of "probable cause"
And LE acting without probable cause, would be a very inefficient means of enforcement of Law and/or regulations which exist
Bill"s example, could serve .. as a less than effective use of "time" while enforcing the Law and regulations, at the border
And it all comes down to "Reasonable" or "Unreasonable"
Would imagine Pete would think there was and/or is "reasonable" cause to STOP Bill ... for any number of reasons 
"Unreasonable" would be ... stoping everyone, with a computer ... "reasonable" would stopping an individual and/or individuals who have an "open
investigation" file with Agency or give rise to probable cause by the individual LE agent and/or agents, based on education, training, OJT, and
experience learned in the "field"
Never crossed back with anything which would impede a smooth crossing .. north
Everything stayed in Baja .. hopefully
Just my 2 cents
[Edited on 5-14-2015 by wessongroup]
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JoeJustJoe
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Listening to you Wesson you would be on the side of the US Customs instead of the poor woman who who treated like a convicted criminal or worse.
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Civil Rights Groups Push To Change Legality Of Border Body Cavity Drug Searches
A U.S. citizen has accused Customs and Border Patrol officers of sexual assault after she endured a six-hour anal and vaginal cavity search.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers violating Americans’ Fourth Amendment rights as part of a last ditch effort to win a battle in the failed
war on drugs?
It’s a question that many civil-and immigration-rights activists have begun to ask after a citizen came forward saying she was forced to have a
six-hour anal and vaginal cavity search by CBP officers who were convinced she was smuggling drugs across the U.S.-Mexico border even though she
wasn’t.
The 54-year-old woman — whose name has not been released since she identifies as a victim of sexual assault — filed a lawsuit with the help of the
American Civil Liberties Union last week against the agents and doctors who searched her genitals without her consent and charged her more than $5,000
for the exams.
According to the lawsuit, the woman has visited a family friend whom she considers and refers to as “uncle” at least once a month since he was
deported to Mexico. But last December when she was attempting to cross the Bridge of the Americas from Ciudad Juarez, Mexico into the U.S., she was
pulled aside for an additional “random” inspection.
read the rest here: ( warning graphic and the reason why I didn't post more of the article)
http://www.mintpressnews.com/civil-rights-groups-push-change...
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motoged
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Please take your crap off this thread....and stay in Off Topic with your cartoons and threats.
Don't believe everything you think....
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monoloco
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Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM  | Well, I don't KNOW.
Once (and only once) many years ago, I managed to irritate a CBP officer WHO.......................
Sent me to Secondary, called for a replacement and followed me there. At which point, he and two others emptied EVERYTHING
from my truck, took me inside and sat me in a waiting area while they (supposedly) ran a criminal check on me (including, they said, Interpol) and
then escorted me back to the Secondary area where I was allowed to repack my goods and go on my way.
Two Hours +.
Point Taken.
I have NEVER given them ANY Lip since.
Of course, other than (once in awhile) a "Bit" more alcohol than allowed and (a few times) some Totuava Fillets, I haven't had anything to hide,
including anything on my computers.
Going South was always another matter.
As I said once to a CBP agent, "ALL of my hidden stuff is in the other direction". |
You are very
lucky you didn't get caught smuggling totuava, you could have received a very hefty fine and jail time.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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wessongroup
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How would you arrived at that Pete ... only shows your prejudice as it relates to LE
Was every women taken out of line and given the same search
And the cost's should NOT be borne by the "individual" rather the "Agency" involved IMHO
Not something I would enjoy and sounds a bit extreme, however, I really don't know all the facts of the case
Do ya have a link to the Agency ... for their position on this "stop and search"
One thing I will agree on from the article
"win a battle in the failed war on drugs"
Think I've seen more than a few "bust's" where women were in fact "smuggling" drugs .. using their bodies .. men too
Not something new, happens all the time in "lock up" and crossing the border ... they even smuggle "cell phones" "money" ... I'm sure there are other
items, but, for now, that is enough
Back to "Reasonable" vs "Unreasonable" and "Probable Cause" ... just my 2 cents 
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durrelllrobert
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Exeption
That ruling DOES NOT APPLY to the NSA who can record and search all cell phone / email records. Who do you think turned the CBP onto stopping this
Korean business man?
Bob Durrell
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wessongroup
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Oh... good to know .. there ARE "exceptions"
Once again ... no absolutes ... which is good ... even in enforcement
A topic which Pete has a great deal of difficulty with ....
That would be LE and "absolutes" 
Hey Pete having any success on Hydrogen
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MrBillM
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Shady Fish Days
When traveling with Totuava, as luck would have it..................
I took the advice of a neighbor in Baja who said "ALWAYS Fillet out the Steaks completely and, if questioned say that it was (as far
as you knew) 'Sea Bass' bought off of a vendor".
THAT would have been my story and I would have stuck to it.
BUT, the question never came up.
In later years, when it was more likely to arise, we simply made sure that we ate it ALL South of the Border.
Yum.
I DO miss that fish.
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