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David K
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How about a vote to ban this thug from posting any more slander and lies about Mark and Olivia... A violent thug who is using Nomad to gain sympathy
for his land stealing ways... He would turn the restaurant into the same dump he turned the motel next door into after he took it over, and destroy
the dreams of this hard working couple who has proven to us who have been there what the truth is.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jakecard
With the multi-faceted disclosures in this thread I can't decide.
Are we as an Internet "community" better or worse off knowing all this stuff?
Over?
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Watch. There is no shame in Mexico. It does look like Raphael won the media battle this time and has directly accused the BCS governor and attorney
general by name of working with and protecting these alleged members of the pacific cartel. The PGR is investigating, so they took it fairly serious.
Then again, I see the stupid turtle soup thing come up again and it makes me think twice. A national land title by the SRA is the gold standard and
Raphael has it I believe.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
How about a vote to ban this thug from posting any more slander and lies about Mark and Olivia... A violent thug who is using Nomad to gain sympathy
for his land stealing ways... He would turn the restaurant into the same dump he turned the motel next door into after he took it over, and destroy
the dreams of this hard working couple who has proven to us who have been there what the truth is. |
Are they raising turtles for soup in those little houses they took over? Why the need to take more than what they had? Wasn't the restaurant enough
to get for free? The restaurant is in the Federal Zone and has no sales value for Raphael. Raphael has helped a dozen or so Nomads and these are the
only ones I've heard of that didn't like his expertise. Why ban an expert that has helped so many? All situations are different. That would be like
trying to have Johnnie Cochran boycotted from getting clients and banned from practicing law because he got OJ Simpson off.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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KaceyJ
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David,
with all due respect,
I think most here would probably agree with you but why not let this play out on it's own accord.
Just as Mark and Olivia ,whom you have known for only a short time, have their story, so does Sr. Ramuna.
Calling him a thug , online , is akin to the latest ban the Mengano thread.
For what Purpose? If one is an adult , the more information the better and thus the ability to satisfy ones mind in what's makes sense and who's
right. Right?
Calling for censorship hurts history.
Leave it alone .
If it bothers you , or if you somehow think it's a negative distraction to this otherwise fine board, don't open the thread and don't respond to it .
Just as easy of a cure as possible .
Let people type. It's amazing what you'll learn.
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
How about a vote to ban this thug from posting any more slander and lies about Mark and Olivia... A violent thug who is using Nomad to gain sympathy
for his land stealing ways... He would turn the restaurant into the same dump he turned the motel next door into after he took it over, and destroy
the dreams of this hard working couple who has proven to us who have been there what the truth is. |
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David K
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When you hire people to harass your neighbors with guns and blockades and all they have done was to not run away when he started harassing them 3
years ago to take their land from them to add to his ... yah, I call that being a thug.
Back then when he started his wild story telling about drug trafficing (in a dead end bay, where other Nomads live and none have seen any activity or
see any navy ships as he said there was... I did try to talk with him, before I met Mark and Olivia... and from his replies to me and here on Nomad, I
was able to get a good feel for who was honest. When I met Mark and Olivia, it was confirmed that we have a classic GOOD vs. EVIL battle here... Look
at the once beautiful hotel on the beach which is a deserted dump since Muñoz took control of it... the look of what EVIL does when it is unchallanged
by GOOD.
Read Pompano's last photo post (above)... Pompano has lived on Concepcion Bay for a long time... I trust his opinion, as well.
I stand on the side of GOOD. Can you not see what EVIL looks like? Look again at all the Nomads who have posted photos above.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
When you hire people to harass your neighbors with guns and blockades and all they have done was to not run away when he started harassing them 3
years ago to take their land from them to add to his ... yah, I call that being a thug.
Back then when he started his wild story telling about drug trafficing (in a dead end bay, where other Nomads live and none have seen any activity or
see any navy ships as he said there was... I did try to talk with him, before I met Mark and Olivia... and from his replies to me and here on Nomad, I
was able to get a good feel for who was honest. When I met Mark and Olivia, it was confirmed that we have a classic GOOD vs. EVIL battle here... Look
at the once beautiful hotel on the beach which is a deserted dump since Muñoz took control of it... the look of what EVIL does when it is unchallanged
by GOOD.
Read Pompano's last photo post (above)... Pompano has lived on Concepcion Bay for a long time... I trust his opinion, as well.
I stand on the side of GOOD. Can you not see what EVIL looks like? Look again at all the Nomads who have posted photos above. |
I won't disparage the good nomads who support each other. As far as I know the only cash that has ever changed hands over all this land is when
Raphael bought the restaurant from some Italian man, and that I have only heard third-hand. You can manage and claim a property, but that doesn't
necessarily mean you are entitled to own and keep it. Whoever has the legal national land title with the SRA stamp on it is the legal owner. In
general, con artists make a much better first impression than lawyers. Wasn't Bernie Maddoff both though? I'm still waiting for more facts and if
Raphael posts them, that would be just fine with me. No one ever said Mexico was fair and rewards the kind and deserving.
[Edited on 2-12-2012 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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XPBRes
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Mike & Olivia were only leasing the land when they subleased it to a few that improved their leased lots (1991). We have slowly been picked off
and now are long gone. We were given bogus leases and when Mike left Mark & Olivia tried to strong arm us into new leases. Then Munoz came along
with an ultimatum, give up your rights to the improvements, get out or be sued. Now MARK who never had anything to do with the building of this beach
community is showing pictures of HIS new home (what a joke). Just because he is still there doesn't give him the right to claim property that was
legally paid for by wonderful people who put their trust in Mike, and then Mark & Olivia. Sure there is Munoz and his claims but why is he any
different than the lies and theft that came 1st. I know most of the people that post here, and they are good & honest. I too along with all the
others who invested in this dream, nightmare trusted all of these characters. We wanted to believe in these people but lies, greed and desperation won
out. Now the dream is truly a nightmare and who is to blame. Surely not the people who put down their life savings . Then trusted for a chance to
retire in a beautiful beach setting such as Buenaventura. I challenge Mark to tell any of you that they are owners of anything at best they lease land
and that is being challenged. Have him tell you how he built anything down there. He didn't even show up until after Mike left and there have been no
improvements to the beach since he left (2002). I have kept quiet to respect the last of the homeowners but there are none left. OK Mark move into
someone else’s home and claim it but you can't have it both ways! You and Munoz are no different trying to claim what others have built for your own.
Thank you Mike, Mark, Olivia & Munoz your lies, cheating & greed have you right were you belong!!!!!
[Edited on 2-12-2012 by XPBRes]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
How about a vote to ban this thug from posting any more slander and lies about Mark and Olivia... A violent thug who is using Nomad to gain sympathy
for his land stealing ways... He would turn the restaurant into the same dump he turned the motel next door into after he took it over, and destroy
the dreams of this hard working couple who has proven to us who have been there what the truth is. |
"proven?"
hmmmmm... i used to think ramsanus was the guilty party. now i don't know. i do note that only ramsanus shows up here to tell his story, and the
mark/olivia story is third hand posting from gringos.
but i still think same thing i thought on turtle thread: all should drive on by, do not stop, the bay is occupied by whackos that could pop off at
any moment!
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XPBRes
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Beginnings @ Buenaventura
No Homes no Hotel No Mark No Munoz, the dream begins
[Edited on 2-12-2012 by XPBRes]
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by XPBRes
Mike & Olivia were only leasing the land when they subleased it to a few that improved their leased lots (1991). We have slowly been picked off
and now are long gone. We were given bogus leases and when Mike left Mark & Olivia tried to strong arm us into new leases. Then Munoz came along
with an ultimatum, give up your rights to the improvements, get out or be sued. Now MARK who never had anything to do with the building of this beach
community is showing pictures of HIS new home (what a joke). Just because he is still there doesn't give him the right to claim property that was
legally paid for by wonderful people who put their trust in Mike, and then Mark & Olivia. Sure there is Munoz and his claims but why is he any
different than the lies and theft that came 1st. I know most of the people that post here, and they are good & honest. I too along with all the
others who invested in this dream, nightmare trusted all of these characters. We wanted to believe in these people but lies, greed and desperation won
out. Now the dream is truly a nightmare and who is to blame. Surely not the people who put down their life savings . Then trusted for a chance to
retire in a beautiful beach setting such as Buenaventura. I challenge Mark to tell any of you that they are owners of anything at best they lease land
and that is being challenged. Have him tell you how he built anything down there. He didn't even show up until after Mike left and there have been no
improvements to the beach since he left (2002). I have kept quiet to respect the last of the homeowners but there are none left. OK Mark move into
someone else’s home and claim it but you can't have it both ways! You and Munoz are no different trying to claim what others have built for your own.
Thank you Mike, Mark, Olivia & Munoz your lies, cheating & greed have you right were you belong!!!!!
[Edited on 2-12-2012 by XPBRes] |
Wow.
Roger, you knew this all along, didn't you?
Why is ramuma unwilling to wait for the lease to run out?
[Edited on 2-12-2012 by Skipjack Joe]
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wessongroup
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XPBRes ... thanks for the input .. sounds like your used to wild rides...
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DENNIS
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The plot thickens.  Maybe I should save all this sht for a rainy day.
Weather.com says that could be Monday.
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[Edited on 2-12-2012 by DENNIS]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by XPBRes
No Homes no Hotel No Mark No Munoz, the dream begins
[Edited on 2-12-2012 by XPBRes] |
that pic reminds me,... 'tis a shame they scraped the vegetation clear. why do most developments in baja look like scraped gravel lots? the area
would be so much prettier if they left one native plant
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rts551
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I really feel for you guys. The "know it alls" on this forum are always quick to jump the gun. Maybe its because they have nothing of their own. You
guys are the true victims in this fiasco.
| Quote: | Originally posted by XPBRes
Mike & Olivia were only leasing the land when they subleased it to a few that improved their leased lots (1991). We have slowly been picked off
and now are long gone. We were given bogus leases and when Mike left Mark & Olivia tried to strong arm us into new leases. Then Munoz came along
with an ultimatum, give up your rights to the improvements, get out or be sued. Now MARK who never had anything to do with the building of this beach
community is showing pictures of HIS new home (what a joke). Just because he is still there doesn't give him the right to claim property that was
legally paid for by wonderful people who put their trust in Mike, and then Mark & Olivia. Sure there is Munoz and his claims but why is he any
different than the lies and theft that came 1st. I know most of the people that post here, and they are good & honest. I too along with all the
others who invested in this dream, nightmare trusted all of these characters. We wanted to believe in these people but lies, greed and desperation won
out. Now the dream is truly a nightmare and who is to blame. Surely not the people who put down their life savings . Then trusted for a chance to
retire in a beautiful beach setting such as Buenaventura. I challenge Mark to tell any of you that they are owners of anything at best they lease land
and that is being challenged. Have him tell you how he built anything down there. He didn't even show up until after Mike left and there have been no
improvements to the beach since he left (2002). I have kept quiet to respect the last of the homeowners but there are none left. OK Mark move into
someone else’s home and claim it but you can't have it both ways! You and Munoz are no different trying to claim what others have built for your own.
Thank you Mike, Mark, Olivia & Munoz your lies, cheating & greed have you right were you belong!!!!!
[Edited on 2-12-2012 by XPBRes] |
[Edited on 2-12-2012 by rts551]
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goldhuntress
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@XPBRes, I thought I smelled a rat, turns out it's several! I kept wondering where is the beginning of this, when did it start? If I know that I will
know what's what, maybe not legally, but morally. You answered that and I believe you. Thank you for posting and sorry you got screwed.
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rts551
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Do you wear a cape and mask? Just asking.
Now tell me masked man for the force of good, would you feel the same way if they took over your house?
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
When you hire people to harass your neighbors with guns and blockades and all they have done was to not run away when he started harassing them 3
years ago to take their land from them to add to his ... yah, I call that being a thug.
Back then when he started his wild story telling about drug trafficing (in a dead end bay, where other Nomads live and none have seen any activity or
see any navy ships as he said there was... I did try to talk with him, before I met Mark and Olivia... and from his replies to me and here on Nomad, I
was able to get a good feel for who was honest. When I met Mark and Olivia, it was confirmed that we have a classic GOOD vs. EVIL battle here... Look
at the once beautiful hotel on the beach which is a deserted dump since Muñoz took control of it... the look of what EVIL does when it is unchallanged
by GOOD.
Read Pompano's last photo post (above)... Pompano has lived on Concepcion Bay for a long time... I trust his opinion, as well.
I stand on the side of GOOD. Can you not see what EVIL looks like? Look again at all the Nomads who have posted photos above. |
[Edited on 2-12-2012 by rts551]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by goldhuntress
@XPBRes, I thought I smelled a rat, turns out it's several! I kept wondering where is the beginning of this, when did it start? If I know that I will
know what's what, maybe not legally, but morally. You answered that and I believe you. Thank you for posting and sorry you got screwed.
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xpbr has made only one post ever in nomadlandia. she-he could be a regular posing anew.. or just making a special appearance to stir the pot, grind
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by goldhuntress
@XPBRes, I thought I smelled a rat, turns out it's several! I kept wondering where is the beginning of this, when did it start? If I know that I will
know what's what, maybe not legally, but morally. You answered that and I believe you. Thank you for posting and sorry you got screwed.
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xpbr has made only one post ever in nomadlandia. she-he could be a regular posing anew.. or just making a special appearance to stir the pot, grind
his/her axe |
Those of us that have been there before know that there are houses there built by innocent bystanders. You can not get away from that fact and Mark's
posting that he has taken over one of them. Goldhuntress is spot on in this one.
[Edited on 2-12-2012 by rts551]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by goldhuntress
@XPBRes, I thought I smelled a rat, turns out it's several! I kept wondering where is the beginning of this, when did it start? If I know that I will
know what's what, maybe not legally, but morally. You answered that and I believe you. Thank you for posting and sorry you got screwed.
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xpbr has made only one post ever in nomadlandia. she-he could be a regular posing anew.. or just making a special appearance to stir the pot, grind
his/her axe |
Those of us that have been there before know that there are houses there built by innocent bystanders. You can not get away from that fact and Mark's
posting that he has taken over one of them. Goldhuntress is spot on in this one.
[Edited on 2-12-2012 by rts551] |
i don't disagree, there are no saints, all involved are a bit shady
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by goldhuntress
@XPBRes, I thought I smelled a rat, turns out it's several! I kept wondering where is the beginning of this, when did it start? If I know that I will
know what's what, maybe not legally, but morally. You answered that and I believe you. Thank you for posting and sorry you got screwed.
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xpbr has made only one post ever in nomadlandia. she-he could be a regular posing anew.. or just making a special appearance to stir the pot, grind
his/her axe |
Those of us that have been there before know that there are houses there built by innocent bystanders. You can not get away from that fact and Mark's
posting that he has taken over one of them. Goldhuntress is spot on in this one.
[Edited on 2-12-2012 by rts551] |
i don't disagree, there are no saints, all involved are a bit shady |
Those are very mild words--- I imagine the people who trusted and lost their homes and dreams refer to all of them in much stronger language. Just
an observation---it seems like when a gringo is involved, other gringos tend to be more trusting, and that is not always a good thing.
But I still really feel for the people who built their dreams there and lost as trust is a positive part of human nature. Many of us trust too much
until we are screwed. JMHO
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