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Quote: Originally posted by JZ  | | Quote: Originally posted by Hook | If someone has a financial incentive to do so, "facts" will be twisted.
Doesn't really matter which side of the coin. But the coin is the incentive.
The adherents from both sides can be easily led along the path, unfortunately.
I believe the number of deaths are underestimated, especially in Mexico. Early on, in the US, too, before tests were more wide spread. Why test
someone who has died, when the tests were hard to acquire?
I have heard several reports of local docs and top rate hospitals in the area I own in Mexico who are supposedly returning results in THREE HOURS!!!
In all cases, the results of the test determined whether other monetary-related procedures would be allowed IF the results were negative....uh,
positive for the person performing the monetary-relate procedure and/or the recipient of the procedure.
[Edited on 7-19-2020 by Hook] |
Yep.
Hospitals have lost all their elective procedure revenue.
They get $13-14K for handling Covid cases, much more for ICU's.
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My bro is an md who runs a hospital. Asked him about the right wing stories of hospitals milking the system. He says the right wing nut stories are
wrong like everything from right wing HQ..
In his particular case they spent $36m on covid19, got $24m fed funds. First traunch was based on precovid Medicare/medicaid revenue, second traunch
based on covid census. No payments based on per patient c19
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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You can choose to believe me or not. I would never lie. I do not like Trump.
30 mins ago my wife told me this story. One of her long time colleagues, from the last 15 years across a couple companies, told her that him and 7 of
his friends went to get tested recently. He is a black guy. Nice guy.
They were at a party and later learned that someone had it. They waited in line for an hour and forty five mins in Ventura and gave up.
All received letters in the mail that they tested positive.
[Edited on 7-19-2020 by JZ]
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This will all change after November.
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Conversation I had with someone two days ago.
https://soundcloud.com/user-936569904/covid-lyft-1/s-ijc4j0o...
[Edited on 7-19-2020 by JZ]
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
.....BTW, the guy that wrote the above is a very wealthy guy who lives in Pacific Palisades. Not a bullchiter by any stretch.
[Edited on 7-18-2020 by JZ] |
Are you saying rich guys don't ever lie?
Some guys know the price of everything....and the value of nothing
Don't believe everything you think....
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | You can choose to believe me or not. I would never lie. I do not like Trump.
30 mins ago my wife told me this story. One of her long time colleagues, from the last 15 years across a couple companies, told her that him and 7 of
his friends went to get tested recently. He is a black guy. Nice guy.
They were at a party and later learned that someone had it. They waited in line for an hour and forty five mins in Ventura and gave up.
All received letters in the mail that they tested positive.
[Edited on 7-19-2020 by JZ] |
oh! one guy was black? AND nice? in what reality would these factors matter one ***? that you felt adding these qualifiers somehow contributed to
your message really has me wondering .
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so now the story morphs from second hand information to at least 4th hand - how convenient!
Bahahahhaaaaaa! "Covid related", obviously you have no idea what that term is? or why it's used? And your guy who "works for a company, who
works for the hospital, but really works for the patient" what is that?
Anyone going into a hospital now, is temperature checked - thats right, and if they have even a slightly elevated temp - they get tested for Covid
- That my Friend is the "covid Related" your genius friend is spouting on and in about.
essentially the test costs are covered - that portion is covid related, and its coded that way on the charts, and the payment system deals with the
special regs.
Does that mean they charge the whole visit to Covid? is that what this guy is claiming? because i did not interpret his words that way.
Interesting too - who is this guy, what company does he work for? in what capacity? all of those things are important , hiding behind anonymity
and spouting out a bunch of stuff he apparently does not understand - that seems to me to disqualify him from being an "expert".
I guess I'll reserve judgement until I see those magic letters informing people they are covid positive. funny , when I have had my tests, they
always call on the phone, did they ever receive a call saying they were positive? seems to me it's bad practice to wait the 3-5 days for the mail to
be delivered, while a positive case is roaming around not knowing if they are positive!
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so JZ: there are some issues with your latest "story": according to you:
You can choose to believe me or not. I would never lie. I do not like Trump.
"30 mins ago my wife told me this story. One of her long time colleagues, from the last 15 years across a couple companies, told her that him and 7 of
his friends went to get tested recently. He is a black guy. Nice guy.
They were at a party and later learned that someone had it. They waited in line for an hour and forty five mins in Ventura and gave up.
All received letters in the mail that they tested positive."
either the recipients of the letter are incapable of reading english, or your wife got the story wrong, or someone is trying to morph the story into
something it is not.
The people in question obviously were contacted by a Contact Tracer - following up on a positive test of some idiot at the party (which idiot? who
knows, but anyone at the party officially qualifies for that title IMHO) .
anyway :. The information they got was that someone at the party had tested positive, and they had been exposed, so they needed to be tested!
and just as an aside, what happened to the original story of the 2 people were notified - I keep getting confused, is this the same story or a
different one?
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Playing Ring around the Covid
Face it.
"The Die is cast."
"The Train has left the station."
"The Horse has left the barn."
And the erratic attempts to (sort of) resume work, school, travel and play normality are going to bump along forwards and back, side to side as
so-called Hotspots develop and consequent stress is applied to the medical system.
Until November, there won't be ANY politicos in competitive races willing to toss the dice hoping that the numbers will come up right for them.
All of this obsessive debate and diagnosis is just so much mental masturbation. Enjoyable, but affecting nothing.
Wear a mask whenever you may come into near proximity of others. Maintain distance as practicable. Use appropriate daily preventive meds
e.g. 12-24 ounces of Stella Artois (or equivalent) + 1-2 ounces of Jamesons.
As one who travels about freely (but cautiously) and a member of the most vulnerable group, following the above regimen has resulted (so far) in
immunity from the virus.
Or, maybe, it's just dumb luck.
As DT says "what's the harm ?"
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| Quote: Originally posted by caj13 | so JZ: there are some issues with your latest "story": according to you:
You can choose to believe me or not. I would never lie. I do not like Trump.
"30 mins ago my wife told me this story. One of her long time colleagues, from the last 15 years across a couple companies, told her that him and 7 of
his friends went to get tested recently. He is a black guy. Nice guy.
They were at a party and later learned that someone had it. They waited in line for an hour and forty five mins in Ventura and gave up.
All received letters in the mail that they tested positive."
either the recipients of the letter are incapable of reading english, or your wife got the story wrong, or someone is trying to morph the story into
something it is not.
The people in question obviously were contacted by a Contact Tracer - following up on a positive test of some idiot at the party (which idiot? who
knows, but anyone at the party officially qualifies for that title IMHO) .
anyway :. The information they got was that someone at the party had tested positive, and they had been exposed, so they needed to be tested!
and just as an aside, what happened to the original story of the 2 people were notified - I keep getting confused, is this the same story or a
different one? |
2 separation incidents of fake positives. Well, actually 10.
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Dr. Kelly Victory on COVID-19
Dr. Victory practices in San Diego and she talks about the coronavirus. It is an interesting presentation with a lot of info.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2rbIDYczvY&feature=shar...
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the good doctor is confusing/mixing #of cases and #of tests
stopped watching after that display of authority
There are people sick enough to be treated, recovered and active (Cases). And then there are people who have been tested, possibly multiple times
(Tests). Both are always listed separately in published graphs.
Harald Pietschmann
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Also, she emphasizes the fact that most people are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms only but never mentions they are also carriers of the infection
that could infect and cause harm to others. I may have missed it, but I don't think she considered that in coming to her conclusions.
But then again, she is a doctor.............
[Edited on 7-20-2020 by SFandH]
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53469839
https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/01/covid-19-vaccine-from-pf...
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/heres-exactly-where-w...
Generally non political news on Virus treatment and prevention!
The glass is half empty folks don’t need to read it.!
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https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020/07/fact-check-dr-vic...
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | "So two people I know felt like chit so they made appointments to have the test. They felt better after 2 days so they canceled their appointment and
never took the test. A week later they both recieved a positive result in the mail. WTF is that? I wonder how often this is happening. Has anyone else
heard of this happening?" |
Maybe the person that showed up at your friend's canceled appointment time was positive and the appointment calendar wasn't updated when your friend
canceled and another person got assigned the time slot.
Here's something similar.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/medical/concerns-arise-as-som...
“This is part of the testing mechanism problem. People are sitting in their cars, sometimes for hours, or standing in line, six feet apart sometimes
for hours. You’re registered though, you’re number 15 in line, and you are Jay Wolfson. If Jay Wolfson says he can’t wait any longer and he
leaves, it will get number 15 and now get Rebecca Fernandez, who was standing behind him, and she tests positive, and then everyone from then on gets
the wrong results. There has to be a better way to do this,” explained Dr. Jay Wolfson, Public Health & Medicine Professor for the University of
South Florida."
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I've read that the data collection infrastructure throughout the United States leaves a lot to be desired. There isn't one system. I think each state,
maybe county/city are using disparate systems. There was even an example of data being transferred with fax machines.
[Edited on 7-21-2020 by SFandH]
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