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amir
Senior Nomad
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Location: Todos Santos, BCS
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Pargo,
I'm surprised, too, about some of the responses. I don't write so people can agree with me, or so that they can love me and support me, although many
have said so and that is very satisfying. Some of these aggressive and annoying people are very lovey-dubby in other threads; some I can tell are very
good friends with each other, and maybe they test newcommers. Many Nomads, I'm finding out, have a very warped sense of humor. Maybe some object to
outsiders butting into their threads, but this is a public forum after all. The BajaNomad Community is very democratic in its membership, that's good!
Maybe because this is a politcal thread, people are more combative here, and dissenters, being a minority, are often attacked. But I do enjoy the
controversies and passions I arouse, it is just very frustrating when I am misunderstood or misquoted or paraphrased wrongly. I think it also depends
on the time of day these people are writing and whether they've taken their medications yet.
Now back to amnesty... They found an excuse to kill that Amnesty Bill (posted by MrBillM above), which means (to me) that it was all just another
f***ing political move to make us think that they want to solve the problem. They don't! Illegal aliens provide a cheap labor force even if it causes
problems for everyone else. The bottom line is PROFIT for the guys that make the profit. Crime is profitable, too, for law enforcement. We spend more
on law enforcement that what the crooks cause. Who's really robbing us? Actually, we get robbed twice. There is no solution to this problem. The flood
gates have been opened and we're all going to pay the piper. This forum is a good place to vent our anger and frustration. The rest is just words...
--Amir
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oldhippie
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Amir,
Your comment about posters taking their meds was probably directed at me. You're right, I suffer greatly from multiple personality disorder and
obviously the meds don't work well.
In fact, I might as well fess up. I own this website and there's only two people that post to it. Me and you. It's hard for me to keep logging in as
all these other people and to keep the names and personalities matched up, but I have a spreadsheet that helps.
Could be, you know.    
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oldhippie
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BTW Amir, thanks for filling out the loan application available by clicking on one of my banner ads at the top of this page. You social security and
bank account numbers will help me buy my meds. Should I up the dosage?
Ya never know, do ya?
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Baja Bernie
`Normal` Nomad Correspondent
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Location: Sunset Beach
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oldhippie
Your noms de combat are becoming so confusing that I have lost my way and your last post just went zinging, like an arrow, past my ear. So I went
back and re-read two posts that went from enjoying the humor to finding it very warped…………..Oh! well back to amnesty……….enough of that….this forum is
a good place to vent our anger and frustrations. Not!
Makes me think on this thing you (I—whoever) wrote yesterday. “Otra lado is all noise and many are lonely. Baja is pleasantly quiet and few are
lonely”
I would like to suggest that you manipulate your articulations as I am sure that this will allow you to reduce your need/desires for your meds. 
Now! That is a bit of some kind of humor.........I think.
[Edited on 6-1-2007 by Baja Bernie]
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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oldhippie
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Bernie,
The virtual world is a wild place. I enjoy taking on different personalities and it is so easy to do in cyberspace. I can be serious, analytical,
humorous, evil, and mildly offensive, sober and drunk, loving and hateful depending upon my mood. Is that not allowed? That's how I am in the real
world.
The loan application bit came from the fact that an advertiser on this website has one online that is not encrypted. Meaning the data goes across the
Internet to who knows where in plain text that any competent technician who has access, like those working at the hosting company can read and record.
My work requires that I be cognizant of Internet security so I look for stuff like that.
I recently found this message board and the development of baja cought my attention, therefore my activity has been high. I'll burn out soon and take
on a completely different personality on some other message board that catches my attention.
Man, it's only been 30 minutes since I took my meds. They kick in fast, don't they? 
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amir
Senior Nomad
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Registered: 5-4-2007
Location: Todos Santos, BCS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
Should I up the dosage? |
Are you asking about the "legal" or the "illegal" meds?
This distinction between "legal" and "illegal" gave me a new insight into the subject matter of this thread: Would it make a difference if these
12,000,000 illegal immigrants had been processed legally, before or after their entering the USA? Methinks not!
How many natives (or otherwise legal, naturalized, etc) Americans cheat on their taxes? How many cheat on Welfare? On Social Security disability
claims? How many exaggerate their insurance claims? How many lie in resumes? How many corporations register offshore to avoid being taxed? All these
have just as detrimental and draining effect on our economy. So as far as taxes and income goes, we want others to follow the law, yet we ourselves
are the examples of rampant corruption. Innocent until proven guilty gives you freedom but it also allows you to hide.
Even if there was a quota for immigration and everyone attained "legal" status in one way or another, I think the problem would still be one of
ASSIMILATION. As long as there is "us" and "them" there are going to be problems. Maybe assimilation should be the subject of a new forum: "Have you
assimilated your Mexican yet?" Or shoud it be: "Can Mexicans assimilate gringo culture once they've moved to the USA?"
--Amir
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amir
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja Bernie
... two posts that went from enjoying the humor to finding it very warped |
Warped humor can be very enjoyable!
Hey, oldhippie, have you been using my nome de plume again? I'm very confused!! What were those meds again that we're supposed to be taking? We are
very confused! ("We" here meaning the royal "We", not the crazy "us")
Whatever happened to Amnesty? Oh yeah, it was killed by some cynics in Congress. Goody. Now we'll be able to debate our anger and frustrations again
some time in the future, perhaps it will come up again during the next election cycle in 2012... I hope I get some new ideas by then.
--Oldamirbaja "Pass the Buck" Berniehippiefish (We DO feel better now, the royal we, not the... )
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toneart
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Be careful while driving in this forum. While it is legal to drive in it under the influence of the great U.S. pharmaceutical
industry, or stand with the vigilantes at the border with guns pointed at Mexicans, you'd better not be smoking a joint in here.
Some of your postings are way too intelligent and creative.
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Baja Bernie
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2012 seems like it could be a good year!
Oh! Have you heard about the gang of chiropractors in L.A. who believe that it is a primary function of theirs to articulate the claims of lying,
cheating, legal Americans who wish to take advantage of their insurance company's, That may or may not be true but it does have a ring of truth to
it.
I guess we are just basically bad people who wish to keep all of the thieven' in the family.......at least it is 'our collective taxes' that we (us)
be stealin'.
Oldhippie......don't be barkin' up that tree....I don't believe that chiropractors are allowed to prescribe medications........I have always wondered
why.
edit.....Sorry! Guess I am just as off topic as most other are on this one.
[Edited on 6-1-2007 by Baja Bernie]
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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jim janet
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Speaking of assimilation of non american cultures,how is it going.I still see large comunities of blacks,asians and indians who have not joined the
American culture.
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Dave
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Then fix it yourself
Bush today,"The system is broken."
Draw up a proclamation on your terms and sign it.
The President has the power to grant amnesty, conditional or otherwise.
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amir
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
Be careful while driving in this forum. While it is legal to drive in it under the influence of the great U.S. pharmaceutical
industry, or stand with the vigilantes at the border with guns pointed at Mexicans, you'd better not be smoking a joint in here.
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Amnesty to all drivers!
Amnesty to the pharmaceutical industry!
Amnesty to vigilantes!
Amnesty to guns!
Amnesty to potheads!
Amnesty and Liberty to ALL!!
(...just really trying to stay in the subject of this thread...)
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amir
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja Bernie
Oh! Have you heard about the gang of chiropractors in L.A. who believe that it is a primary function of theirs to articulate the claims of lying,
cheating, legal Americans who wish to take advantage of their insurance company's, That may or may not be true but it does have a ring of truth to
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Sad, but it is true. There are some very rotten apples in the barrel of the Chiropractic profession. Corruption is rampant and it gives a bad name to
all of us. Many times I thought of exposing some scams, but I value my life. Also I need my license to work, so I thought I would wait until after I
retire to write the expose. You'll be glad to know, Bernie, that I am NOT one of them rotten apples.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja Bernie
I guess we are just basically bad people who wish to keep all of the thieven' in the family.......at least it is 'our collective taxes' that we (us)
be stealin'. |
No, "we" are not all bad people. But yes, you got the gist of this point.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja Bernie
... don't be barkin' up that tree....I don't believe that chiropractors are allowed to prescribe medications........I have always wondered why.
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I'll tell you WHY: Because the Chiropractic Law that legalized the profession says that "Chiropractic is a DISTINCT and SEPARATE healing art...
without the use of surgery or drugs... bla bla bla..." Bernie, I'll adjust your articulations any time!
Amensty to Chiropractors! (just to stay in the subject of this thread...)
--Amir
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amir
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jim janet
Speaking of assimilation of non american cultures,how is it going.I still see large comunities of blacks,asians and indians who have not joined the
American culture. |
Amnesty to Blacks!
Amensty to Asians!
Amnesty to Indians!
Amnesty to Jim Janet for not staying within the subject of this thread!
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amir
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Baja Bernie
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Hey Bernie, I thought that if I keep posting that soon I can be like you. It looks so cool - all those stars... I only have one. 
Amnesty to Baja Bernie!
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DENNIS
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Jeezo..........You guys are talking like you've just been released from ten years in solitary confinement. Lots to say. Like Thomas Merton on a
weekend bender.
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amir
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I have nothing to say in this post - just wanted to reach "100 Posts"!!!
Amnesty to Amir!
Amnesty to off-topic posts!
Amnesty to Amnesty! (just to keep in the subject of this thread...)
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Baja Bernie
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amir
Congradulations! But it is not the number of posts nor the number of stars but what is said that is important.
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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Lee
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Back to ammesty or no ammesty.
I don't see hope for any of this. I don't have hope in the government straightening it out. I'm even open -- OK, no ammesty for 12 million
aliens. What else? Does that mean something? Let's say, ammesty was granted, and, aliens are asked to come in to get their Ammesty
Certificate. Do you really think that would happen? I mean, OK, a few million go in.
What would be the effect if a law was passed that there was no ammesty? Everything would remain the same? Maybe less aliens would cross because
they knew ammesty was not going to happen for them? Maybe there would be a ''serious'' aliens roundup? The US military would be called in and
outposts would be set up and aliens shot? Or just deported to try it again? Better border security doesn't address ammesty.
Does anyone know what the government is attempting to do? What are the possibilities? (It's not guest worker programs.)
I know of at least 2 people who think there should be an open border. Don't know why that sounds enlightened but it does -- but I'm not sure it is.
What's that mean? Anyone really in favor of open borders? How would it work? What would it look like?
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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MrBillM
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A Step-by-Step Approach
There is no hope to solve the problem as addressed today. The current proposal(s) are filled with loopholes and ambiguity. The so-called triggers
are meaningless because it is only required that the President (whoever that might be at the time) CERTIFY that the goals have been
met. There is NO definitive criteria. The problem with any Amnesty proposal is that we've already tried it once (under Reagan) when the estimated
numbers were around Three Million. Now we have a NEW group of Twelve Million (or so).
Additionally, one of the most negative aspects of the current proposal is the Family Reunification which swells that Twelve Million figure
dramatically with NON-PRODUCTIVE relatives. The Conservatives are being Criticized as Inhuman by the Liberals because they want to
limit eligibility to Spouses and Children ONLY. The Left wants to expand that eligibility to include more distant family members including
Grandparents, Uncles/Aunts, others. It is estimated (and unchallenged) that the most liberal proposal would average seven additional family members
for each Amnesty Visa granted. That's 84 Million (mostly unproductive) Immigrants.
The problem is huge and the politics are rabid, but a solution MUST be found which is of the greatest OVERALL benefit to the United States and its
Legal Residents.
Opponents of said solution stress the impossibility of rounding up and deporting 12 Million people. NOBODY but a small number of Extremists is
suggesting that. The best answer lies in a measured approach.
1. Do the best possible job of securing the Border considering the physical and economic limitations.
2. Begin to weed out Illegal workers starting with the most egregious examples. The same Social Security Number being used by 10 or more people
might be a good start. Legally DEPORT those arrested so that the penalty for re-entry would be understood to be more severe than simply being thrown
out again.
3. At the same time, In order to maintain a suitable and affordable workforce, develop a Guest Worker Visa system which fairly addresses all parties
and ensures that EVERYONE (within realistic limits) working in the United States is paying their obligated share. The Actual Costs of said Visas,
including a realistic Background Check, should be born by either the applicant or the employers requesting the Visas. It has been claimed that said
costs would unfairly impact those applying, but a payment system could be developed. It's done with Private employment agencies all of the time and
the "Immigrants" seem to find a way to pay even greater amounts to the "Coyotes".
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