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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
"Wow, ramuma really messed up."
I didn't see anything new there that wasn't in the previous media releases.
[Edited on 2-12-2012 by Woooosh] |
If there's nothing there that you didn't already know than don't read it. I believe that's what you advocated we do to the Mengano news posts.
I'm sorry if that sounds rude. |
??? I don't believe that was me, and yes you are indeed being rude by attributing words to me I have not said. It was just a translation of a link
previously posted. No info to say Raphael had "screwed up" at all.
Raphael is posting his side, where is the other side? Do they have a defense? They fired their bear spray before Raphaels guys fired the buckshot.
It seems strange they would force people out of that same house just three months ago and now complain they are being forced out- when I do believe
Raphael has the LEGAL land title. Neither of them paid for it to be sure.
Do they even pay for the concession? How about showing a recent concession payment for the restaurant (I think the enterprise FMZT concession rate
(for profit use) is 30 pesos per square meter per month).
It looks like there are two courts making decisions on the same piece of land. Both parties are acting on what their court has "told" them. I think
Raphael found an error in the ejido paperwork in Mexico City years ago and was able to get the legal national land title to the land he claims from
the Secretaria Reforma Agraria. No one local can take that away and it is the most important document in a title chain. The agrarian courts can rule
on the ejido, but not the land title or federal zone I believe.
There is no high road here. It is a nasty Mexican land deal with both parties in the wrong- one legally, one morally. But there are few morals and no
shame in Mexico when it come to land grabs. jmho.
[Edited on 2-12-2012 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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rts551
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XPBRes.
Thanks.From your perspective then. Who owns the property. The Ejido?
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XPBRes
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For 10 years that has been the ? I believe it is ejido land, but that can be sold at any time. Munoz brought his papers from Mexico City and has been
working backwards, state, agrarian then municipal. I don’t think there is a dispute that this is or was ejido land. No matter the damage has been done
by both parties. We would have been more than happy to continue renting, but we were in the middle of their war. Olivia sued all the renters for
years, Munoz claimed to represent us in court. Somehow we would lose our case, and if you believe them they both won theirs. There again is my problem
with these characters, they get there side to believe them and the war continues. The only side I see is my truth, they have told these lies for so
long that they believe them and they are very convincing when telling them again.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by XPBRes
The only side I see is my truth, they have told these lies for so long that they believe them and they are very convincing when telling them again.
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The problem remaining to be looked at, by outsiders, is the law in Mexico being toothless and for sale. USA viewers to this thread can't accept that.
Can't understand it.
They should try harder to do that if they are in the same boat.
I'm trying.
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Woooosh
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There are very strict mapping and boundary requirements for establishing ejidos. Most of the ejidos are old and did not have the required paperwork
(maps) in Mexico City to legally back them up. There are many disputes like this going on in Baja. Presumably Raphael found a way to prove the
boundaries were not correct onyour ejido and was then able to have the National Land Title given to him by the SRA. From there he is working
backwards to get possession it seems. The SRA national land title is the strongest one that no court can overturn.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by XPBRes
The only side I see is my truth, they have told these lies for so long that they believe them and they are very convincing when telling them again.
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The problem remaining to be looked at, by outsiders, is the law in Mexico being toothless and for sale. USA viewers to this thread can't accept that.
Can't understand it.
They should try harder to do that if they are in the same boat.
I'm trying. |
True, and with no price list for Gringos. Never accepted being treated like a sheep for slaughter though Dennis. 
Getting ripped off is preventable. The ONLY land title document you can trust is the stamped SRA national land title. It is the first stamp on the
title chain for every piece of land in Mexico. The SRA title means the land was transferred from being property of Mexico, to the owner. All the
land in Mexico is the property of the government and it must be bought and transferred this way. If someone selling you a house or condo cannot show
you that document, they don't own what they are selling you. Don't fall for excuses, mumbo jumbo or the promise of title insurance. Only in Mexico
can you buy Title Insurance to research a title that does not exist.
[Edited on 2-12-2012 by Woooosh]
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I would hope the wonderful people who post would not see my post as an attempt to place blame. I had a need to tell my story and I have gotten too!
Anyone that has told family or friends that they are investing time and money in Baja know that they are going to get a loud "I told you so".
We went at this with our eyes open and we are not alone in this recurring nightmare. The rub is to see someone like Mark crying foul. When he had as
much to do with this situation as any one and really from my perspective has contributed so little.
On the other hand I feel he has been a GREAT companion to Olivia, and I do admire him for that. I would not wish what has happened to them on any one!
[Edited on 2-12-2012 by XPBRes]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by XPBRes
I would hope the wonderful people who post would not see my post as an attempt to place blame. I had a need to tell my story and I have gotten too!
Anyone that has told family or friends that they are investing time and money in Baja know that they are going to get a loud "I told you so".
We went at this with our eyes open and we are not alone in this recurring nightmare. The rub is to see someone like Mark crying foul. When he had as
much to do with this situation as any one and really from my perspective has contributed so little.
On the other hand I feel he has been a GREAT companion to Olivia, and I do admire him for that. I would not wish what has happened to them on any one!
Thanks for your input your story is as close to the truth as any of us will probably ever hear .I have been watching this unfold for several years
and as you stated Marc has contributed little but emotinal support to Olivia. The battle was raging when he entered the scene.
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Sad. I still don't know why Olivia sued the renters. Why not wait until everything is settled and then honor Mikes agreement. I am amazed you hold so
little ill-will. I am afraid others wouldn't be quiet so forgiving.
| Quote: | Originally posted by XPBRes
For 10 years that has been the ? I believe it is ejido land, but that can be sold at any time. Munoz brought his papers from Mexico City and has been
working backwards, state, agrarian then municipal. I don’t think there is a dispute that this is or was ejido land. No matter the damage has been done
by both parties. We would have been more than happy to continue renting, but we were in the middle of their war. Olivia sued all the renters for
years, Munoz claimed to represent us in court. Somehow we would lose our case, and if you believe them they both won theirs. There again is my problem
with these characters, they get there side to believe them and the war continues. The only side I see is my truth, they have told these lies for so
long that they believe them and they are very convincing when telling them again. |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
When you hire people to harass your neighbors with guns and blockades and all they have done was to not run away when he started harassing them 3
years ago to take their land from them to add to his ... yah, I call that being a thug.
Back then when he started his wild story telling about drug trafficing (in a dead end bay, where other Nomads live and none have seen any activity or
see any navy ships as he said there was... I did try to talk with him, before I met Mark and Olivia... and from his replies to me and here on Nomad, I
was able to get a good feel for who was honest. When I met Mark and Olivia, it was confirmed that we have a classic GOOD vs. EVIL battle here... Look
at the once beautiful hotel on the beach which is a deserted dump since Muñoz took control of it... the look of what EVIL does when it is unchallanged
by GOOD.
Read Pompano's last photo post (above)... Pompano has lived on Concepcion Bay for a long time... I trust his opinion, as well.
I stand on the side of GOOD. Can you not see what EVIL looks like? Look again at all the Nomads who have posted photos above. |
Wow! David, what do you actually have to back up such strong statements, as in facts? EVIL vs GOOD implies all the right is on one side, and all the
fault of the other. As little time as you spend in BCS (when was the last time you actually were there), how do you have your information? And, what
IS that information. I hope it's more than the posts on the site and a meal at Playa Buenaventura and a good time.
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Every person in this drama has "evil" that they're trying to hide. One would have to be a gullible fool not to know this.
Stupidity alone is evil.
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XPBRes
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rts551,
If I said that we haven't felt mad, sad and peeed off over the years you would have to put us up for sainthood. This has been along process with our
beach family, and that is what we became. Some have past away some ran away, but we will always be connected. That is the blessing of this story. even
the so called villians have had there good moments. So as hard as it seems moving on is easier with time.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by XPBRes
rts551,
If I said that we haven't felt mad, sad and peeed off over the years you would have to put us up for sainthood. This has been along process with our
beach family, and that is what we became. Some have past away some ran away, but we will always be connected. That is the blessing of this story. even
the so called villians have had there good moments. So as hard as it seems moving on is easier with time. |
Well now I'm sad mad and peeed off for you! Thanks for setting the record straight. You sound at peace with it so that's good
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http://munoz-industries.com/empresas-corporativas/buenaventu...
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Making Attorneys Get Attorneys
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So is this a good time to make an offer on someone's share? Seems like there could be a good deal here!
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Thanks for some of this explanation - at least those of us who are not familiar with his story are starting to see outlines of the issues.
One thing I don't understand is how Munoz got his title. If, as Woooosh says, the EJ's paperwork is not correct, then doesn't the FD still 'own' the
land? What would make them give Munoz title?
[Edited on 2-13-2012 by Santiago]
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How much should I offer?
| Quote: | Originally posted by paranewbi
So is this a good time to make an offer on someone's share? Seems like there could be a good deal here! |
Udo
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by paranewbi
So is this a good time to make an offer on someone's share? Seems like there could be a good deal here! |
Huh? Good deal? On what, problems?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by XPBRes
I would hope the wonderful people who post would not see my post as an attempt to place blame. I had a need to tell my story and I have gotten too!
Anyone that has told family or friends that they are investing time and money in Baja know that they are going to get a loud "I told you so".
We went at this with our eyes open and we are not alone in this recurring nightmare. The rub is to see someone like Mark crying foul. When he had as
much to do with this situation as any one and really from my perspective has contributed so little.
On the other hand I feel he has been a GREAT companion to Olivia, and I do admire him for that. I would not wish what has happened to them on any one!
[Edited on 2-12-2012 by XPBRes] |
Thank you for your post... I for one appreciate hearing the longer version of the site's history. When I call Mark and Olivia 'Good', it is only in
comparison to to Muñoz as I don't pretend to know them before 2009. Bad people can change to good and vice a versa.
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Roberto
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And knowing them means what? You met them once when you went there for a beer?
Are you backing off your GOOD vs EVIL post? DK riding in on the white stallion with his cape? Get a grip on reality, David. Buying a beer does not a
friend make. Or knowing people.
[Edited on 2-13-2012 by Roberto]
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