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Cypress
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With the wind blowing against the current, big waves can pile up fast.
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Any word on the divers yet? I think the divers are limited to 300 feet. Do they know for sure if the boat is in 300 or less feet of water. If over 300
feet they would need submersibles of some kind.
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wessongroup
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Thanks for all that information on the ""Jumping Water" In The Midriff ... really very interesting..
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Ken Bondy
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I've seen the "jumping waters" off of the north point at San Francisquito many times. A vertical "wall" of water about three feet high. Curiously,
you could get very close to it from the low side. We always welcomed the phenomenon because the jurel seemed to congregate at the "step".
carpe diem!
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Thanks for all that information on the ""Jumping Water" In The Midriff ... really very interesting.. |
Ray Cannon has written quite a bit about this phenomenon. There is a famous area between the Big Island and Isla Smith that frequently exhibits this
pattern. The entire Canal de Ballenas is an interesting area, to say the least. Extreme upwelling, differences in current ... when the wind picks up
there (and it does so at the drop of a hat) it gets EXTREMELY interesting.
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bajajurel
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Coast Guard concludes search in the Sea of Cortez. The Mexican Navy officially suspended active search operations and has no longer requested Coast
Guard assistance.
http://www.uscgsanfrancisco.com/go/doc/823/469899/
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
Any word on the divers yet? I think the divers are limited to 300 feet. Do they know for sure if the boat is in 300 or less feet of water. If over 300
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The US Defense Department has refused to provide divers.
There is no news yet of any other dive being planned, either with divers or submersibles.
A good place for updates is the website run by the families of the missing:
http://findourfathers.com/news.html
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Woooosh
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Hard to believe they can't find the boat.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Hard to believe they can't find the boat. |
um, it sank.
p.s. who says they don't know location of wreck?
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When I was young, I admired clever people. Now that I am old, I admire kind people.
– Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel
We know we must go back if we live, and we don`t know why.
– John Steinbeck, Log from the Sea of Cortez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
I've seen the "jumping waters" off of the north point at San Francisquito many times. A vertical "wall" of water about three feet high. Curiously,
you could get very close to it from the low side. We always welcomed the phenomenon because the jurel seemed to congregate at the "step".
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It certainly is a sea to respect. I haven't seen jumping waters but even being in our Valco between Isla Alcatraz (to the north of L.A. Bay) and the
shore (not far) on a clear windless day the water is like "rapids" when the tides turn and you better keep your head up.
But with the birds diving and smashing and the water churning and flashing silver it really is a rush...just gotta be careful.
Just hope they can raise the boat-find the missing-and give some closure to the families involved.
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Family and friends of the missing 7 fishermen will still continue to change the DOD's mind on a dive by a military special dive team, but also they
are trying to collect funds for both a private dive, most likely a submersible, and also possibly a private search by boat and plane farther south in
the LA Bay area.
Anyone have any contacts in either of those possibilities?
Ted
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What's the Point ?
No great mystery regarding the sinking would likely be discovered other than where the remaining bodies might be.
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Missing fisherman's family seeks help recovering body
| Quote: | Originally posted by MexicoTed
Family and friends of the missing 7 fishermen will still continue to change the DOD's mind on a dive by a military special dive team, but also they
are trying to collect funds for both a private dive...
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http://www.ocregister.com/articles/fishing-308369-mein-alber...
July 14, 2011
By KYLE DALY
Betty Embree already had picked out several fishing reels for her brother's September birthday.
Albert Mein, 61, would regularly visit the lakes near his hometown of Twain Harte – about 100 miles southeast of Sacramento – as well as travel to the
Bay Area to fish.
"He loved fishing," said Embree, 60, who lives in Irvine. "He loved fishing so much."
Now, Embree's not sure what to do with the new fishing reels – two Quantam Titaniums, a Zebco Gold and an Eagle Claw.
Her brother is one of seven men presumed dead after their charter fishing boat sank in the early hours of July 3 off the east coast of Baja
California.
Forty-three men were aboard the fishing vessel Erik when it capsized in rough weather in the Sea of Cortez, about 60 miles south of San Felipe,
Mexico. Thirty-five men were rescued by local fishermen and the Mexican Navy, or swam to nearby land. One body has been recovered.
The U.S. Coast Guard assisted the Mexican Navy in a nine-day search for the missing men. After covering more than 7,300 square miles, the search was
called off Tuesday.
The men's families, however, are not giving up.
"We feel like we've lost an important link in the family," Embree said. "We just miss him every day."
Her older brother was one of 27 family and friends who climbed aboard the 115-foot vessel for a six-day fishing trip July 2-7.
Family members said Mein has made the trip to San Felipe at least 10 times before – a journey that had become an annual event.
"He was so excited to bring fish home every year," his wife Sharren Mein said.
She described her husband of 40 years as a selfless individual. When he'd return from his summer trip, he'd give a portion of his catch – last summer
it was grouper and sea bass – to the neighbors.
Albert Mein's altruism was evident after news of the ship's sinking spread.
Sharren Mein said people her husband had helped over the years began showing up at her doorstep to express their support.
"He was awesome," she said. "After us being married all these years, I can still say that."
The U.S. Department of Defense turned down a U.S. State Department request earlier this week to send divers to recover the bodies.
"We are sympathetic to the loss of life, but unfortunately our limited capability for operating at this depth is currently unavailable, and will
remain unavailable, in the near term," Lt. Col. Robert Ditchey of the Defense Department said in a statement. "It is our assessment that contract
support is the only available option to recover the missing U.S. citizens."
The families of the missing are raising money for a privately funded dive, though they are still reaching out to elected officials in hopes of a
government-backed dive.
"They deserve to come home," said Albert's niece, Cathy Lambiase of Aliso Viejo.
The families have set up a website, findourfathers.com, with information on the sinking and how to donate to the private dive effort.
Lambiese, 49, said it's likely her uncle's body is still trapped in the boat, because it capsized on its port side, which is where her uncle's cabin
was.
Albert Mein's stepson Joe Jacinto traveled to Mexico from Northern California the day after the boat sank to help with the search effort. He learned
from survivors that no one had seen his stepfather after the boat went down.
Albert Mein grew up in Modesto, one of 14 children. He served in the U.S. Army in Vietnam from December 1969 to November 1970 and in the U.S. Army
Reserves as a specialist 4. He was awarded several medals, including the Bronze Star.
Lambiase spoke about her uncle's military experience, saying he was the type of person who would not leave the ship if someone were still inside.
"He would help them," she said.
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Photo:
Albert Mein holds up a Grouper, in front of a 110-pound sea bass - he'd caught both - aboard the Erik on a Summer trip in 2010. Photo courtesy of
Betty Embree.
[Edited on 7-15-2011 by BajaNews]
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Four fishermen from a small village south of San Felipe, Mexico, claimed to have pulled nine survivors and one body from the water on the afternoon of
July 3. Left to right: Martin Becerra Ramires, Leonel Bravo Gamboa, Victor Jonatan Gastelum and Juan Tco Becerra Ruiz. Joe Jacinto, far right, of
Northern California and his friend Raul Rubio arrived later to help with the search.
Photo courtesy of Joe Jacinto
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dizzyspots
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Could these men not be honored and their families brought a little closer to "closure" by a formal. although posthumous "burial at sea"...as avid
fisherman...would this not be appropriate???
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I just spoke with some family members and they are still hopeful that some ofthe missing may be found. They are looking for private pilots they can
hire to fly the coastline and islands from Gonzaga to LA Bay. Anyone know of anyone or have any ideas??
Ted
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only guy legally chartered and equipped to do aerial search Ted is Kevin Warren owner of baja
airventures.
you can call his office in Chula Vista.
i'd help but i am tied up and can't get away till august.
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Aerial Searches
To do a proper aerial search you should have a high winged aircraft (C-182) and three people:
Pilot - only duty is to fly (and not look for people on the ground!!!!)
Right front observer - should be flight qualified (as a backup). Works radios and gps, looks out the right side of aircraft, maintains search grid
map.
Left rear observer (sits behind pilot) - looks out left side of aircraft, takes photos, maintains log, monitors flight crew (ensures pilot flies the
acft and is not searching for people on the ground).
Flight crews should have some knowledge of search patterns used to locate ground targets.
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I've sailed the Sea of Cortez for many years with a 28' sloop. Spent a lot of time on pangas and group fishing boats. Seen a lot of strange things
with weather and sea so I will not presume to pass judgement until all the facts are in. The several times i've been on the Erik the fish hold hatch
was kept closed unless in use because they wanted to keep the ice from melting too quickly. Our group from the Phoenix area chartered the Erik on an
exclusive basis and never had the problems some have claimed here. The port holes below decks were welded shut because the cabins were air
conditioned. Amid ships in the open companionway, the engine room hatch starboard side was always open as was the ladderway going below. I do grieve
for the Erik and any who still may be aboard her.
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