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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by surfer jim
Second that ...
I have finally gotten the idea of what may be going on there. |
and I didn't have to read 50 pages of Turtle Bust. Raphael cousin, Eng. Chavira- is the Federal Zone court expert for Baja California. You put that
with attorney Raphael's expertise in land title law and you have a powerful team. Ejidos must be easy-pickens.
Still curious about the type and payment of the concesion. A concession for profit (enterprise) has a very high rent rate (30 pesos per month per
square meter). If the houses are on the same concession, that is a fairly large area- say 1000 m2. That would be 3000 pesos per month, every month if
they are paying it. A concession for profit is designed to accommodate beach businesses who are expected to generate sales tax back to the government
and create jobs- with enough money to pay their rent to the gov't for being allowed to use it. You can't buy, sell or transfer a 15 year concession
to the best of my knowledge.
The problem with these land battles in Mexico is you can win the war, and still get nothing to show for it in your lifetime. What retirement plan is
that? It sounds like ejidos are toxic unless you are just going to camp or put a palapa on it. It was a pretty house and it's a shame the owners
didn't get to live out their retirement in it. That's for sure.
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Udo
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Another nail in the coffin on Mexican house purchases.
Udo
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Pescador
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There are three houses on the beach. The northernmost house was the one which supposedly was occupied by Marc. The other two are closer to the hotel
and are definately vacant and looking a little on the rundown side.
I find it interesting that Munoz is trying to take over the whole beach but there has been almost no improvement to any of the buildings. The hotel
looks like sh.t, the houses look like something out of Detroit, and the only exception is the restaurant area which has been kept up pretty well.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Udo
Another nail in the coffin on Mexican house purchases. |
As far as I can tell, no one purchased anything- just paper shuffling. It does say something about putting improvements on land you do not have the
land title to (in your Mexican family's name or in a bank trust- not matter).
[Edited on 2-14-2012 by Woooosh]
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
There are three houses on the beach. The northernmost house was the one which supposedly was occupied by Marc. The other two are closer to the hotel
and are definately vacant and looking a little on the rundown side.
I find it interesting that Munoz is trying to take over the whole beach but there has been almost no improvement to any of the buildings. The hotel
looks like sh.t, the houses look like something out of Detroit, and the only exception is the restaurant area which has been kept up pretty well.
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The e-mails XPBres published were ten years old. No one was going to do anything until the land battle was over. Why put money into it? Not sure
why the hotel wasn't kept up and open. I think you have to keep up the restaurant if you want customers. Every unoccupied house in Mexico gets
stripped rather quickly these days- especially by former tenants.
[Edited on 2-14-2012 by Woooosh]
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desertcpl
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I think now I will only pull my RV down and stay at Pete's Camp and pay by the week 
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XPBRes
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The palm house is the one Marc is claiming as his. He used to move right in after the owners left. So in some distorted way he as always seen it as
his. This was a common occurrence even when Mike was there. The house on the most southern end was built for Mike's son John. When he didn't cut it
with Dad he was gone. He then sold it to a really great couple. They came down early one spring only to find Mike had moved in the hired help, awkward
to say the least. We might have been naive but my eyes were wide open. In some ways we were captives at that point. We did call it the Compound.
It is correct to say that no one living there owns any land. We did call ourselves homeowner’s because we made all the improvements to the lots. We
were always being reassured that we could sell the improvements and the tenants would work out a new lease. This did happen with a couple of the homes
while Mike was there. Of course he made the sales.
[Edited on 2-14-2012 by XPBRes]
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Some history..naturally.
XPBRes...first, I am very sorry for your troubles and the loss of your dream home in Baja. A terrible loss that I can certainly appreciate, as I have
owned a great beach place for many years and had to work hard at avoiding the same fate.
Some history. Do you by chance remember the Mexican speculator who was on the site in the '80's?
This was sooo long ago...maybe you had not yet arrived on the scene?
I happened upon him coming back from the old Loreto airport one day. He was camped on Buenaventura in an Airstream trailer...the only rig in sight.
There were no improvements/palapas/whatever made on that beach at that time, just a homemade trail from the highway...just like all the other beaches
in BOC at the time.
He introduced himself and invited me to join him for a c-cktail..brandy and soda, as I recall...not one of my favorites, but hey..free is always good.
(Something was said about a TJ race track?…Caliente maybe, who knows?, ..or maybe the brandy bottle had a horse on it…)
He told me HE owned the beach and land ..and then asked me if I thought this beach would make a good RV park? I was surprised that he would ask a
question with such an obvious answser. Hell yes, I said..what BOC beach wouldn't with such easy highway access?
Now I knew better than to take him as a 100% real thing owner...one heard a story every month back then about who owned what and where in Conception
Bay and indeed all of Baja.
For some time, he would come and go. Then he disappeared...at least from my notice. Another Baja dream?
Or was this......one of our main characters in this thread?
Nothing very unusual in meeting this character and hearing his story and plans. Lots of our very newcomers met in those days were 'tycoons'...a real
'mover and shaker' and he indeed owned everything in sight..from Cabo to Guerrero Negro ..I had heard it all. Blowhards mostly..the list is long.
Playa Domingo, Pta. Arena, south beach, the peninsula...you name it, it had developers who gauranteed they owned the land. Of course, it was all
offered for you as an investment..beocme a partner...get in at the start and make millions! It all made for good firepit discussions at the end of
the day. "Why, I could have owned the entire Conception Bay peninsula as my private nature & hunting preserve ..Only 23 million." Or...."Coyote
Bay Beach...a bargain at 1 million if you buy today!"
Legal and ownership battles. I know what you mean about record-keeping and filing systems. Old metal filing cabinets overflowing, cross-referencing
non-existant, cardboard boxes of ?? records soaked from a rainstorm, no computers until quite recently.
Utter chaos. Taxes? Bring last years form and face more chaos. I have been through it all, believe me. Numero uno...many times over in La Paz,
Sta. Rosalia, TJ.
If memory serves me, the block-like house at Buenaventura belonged to a rather strange pair....on of them an trust heir to Buck Knives, no? For some
reason, he lost or left that house. A lively dude who had a pontoon boat, and with his wife, ended up renting a small house on the river in
Mulege..from Maribelle. He sold a lot of his gear to various people ..and then moved on. One of the many Baja characters met over the years.
Another resident there used to join our small boat regattas in Coyote Bay. Used a 14' laser sailboat, as I recall. Steve..Ted? They lived in the
northernmost home…right under the curve of the highway above. I ‘think’ he may have posted on Nomads at some time in the past….
Please excuse my poor recall of names...faces and places are much easier.
I was sorry to hear of all the lease/ownership troubles that began at Buenaventura many years ago, but was not suprised. I know your angst, as I had
many years of legal battles to straighten out my own ownership matters in Coyote Bay. I went through hell and obtained one of the first..if not thee
first... bank trusts/fideicomisos for Baja Sur and the largest acreage next to the ocean...which of course contained many errors.... that years later
took tons of time and money to straighten out.
To anyone who is interested in buying real estate in Baja, I offer these two arrows to put in your quiver:
1. Lawyers are a good source of protein.
2. Oxymarooon - 'Owning Real Estate... in Baja.'
p.s. edit to add: Am sure this was done at the get-go, but in light of the mistakes here, you never know..
I have found several notable tax records of various properties in the archaic archives of the record office in Sta. Rosalia..and some in the tax
office at Mulege,while hunting for my own.
I assume someone has the legal description of the property..so that's an easy one to check..IF one can find the earliest record of whoever paid the
tax. Might be a clue in there somewhere...plus the surveyors office next door..any improvements would have had to have a plan made up and stamped.
Just a thought...
[Edited on 2-14-2012 by Pompano]
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bufeo
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This has been a fascinating thread to read. Reminds me of Punta Chivato late '70s early '80s.
Allen R
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bufeo
This has been a fascinating thread to read. Reminds me of Punta Chivato late '70s early '80s.
Allen R |
That was a story very familiar to this one...a horse of an almost the same color. 
Bill, Doc, George,..and a couple others...Ah yes.... Viva Baja
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XPBRes
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Pompano,
thanks for the history, and yes we have met, pig races, chili cook-offs and most notable sailing off your beach. If I remember I loaned the lazer to
Johnny T and I sailed a 16’ invitation.
Barry & Melissa is who I think you’re referring to. Mike gave him hell for all his enthusiasm, a couple visits to the jail and a deportation if I
recall. He was persistent and kept coming back.
I too have heard the many stories of past ownership. Before Mike was another American (Larry?) with a Mexican wife. I believe he is the one who put in
the umbrella palapa on the beach front. Also water lines along the beach for potential campers-RVs. Stan shared with me that Mike had him go to Loreto
to meet this guy and pay him off and thus started the partnership. This started the building of the beach community on the north side 1991.
Pompano, is a rare and valuable asset to this site.
Thanks for the p.s. I wish we could come back and start over, and we we might if this ever clears up.
Best of all the memories and people will always be the prize.
Edited on 2-14-2012 by XPBRes]
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latina
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Since 1992 ejido land can be converted, through due process and by following distinct guidelines into private property, and be sold, even to
foreigners...It follows that the land most converted by the ejidos is the land that is considered the most desirable to the marketplace...the
playas...
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bufeo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pompano..That was a story [Punta Chivato] very familiar to this
one...a horse of an almost the same color.
Bill, Doc, George,..and a couple others...Ah yes.... Viva Baja |
Oh my, do those names bring back memories!! I still have my file of correspondence...BEM era...e.g. "Before E-Mail". I was even...oh well, nevermind.
Allen R
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ramuma53
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Thank you for your support
Here in Mexico a lot of press coverage is being done, Olivia has been identified as a link to the Pacific cartel by the Organized crime unit in public
and the General District attorney is going to meet with me today also the Estate department secretary representative.
This is affecting Mexican politics because the PAN presidential candidate is asking for life in prison to public official who are found to have links
with organized crime and the Baja South Governor is from her party, also the PAN party is attacking the PRI political party because 3 ex governors are
alleged to have organized crime links while at the same time this is happening, becoming an explosive issue in the national press.
All my employees are out except the manager and security chief, they are being accused of invading my own property and staling from Olivia in a grave
way, exactly the crimes we are accusing her.
This is becoming a Presidential campaign issue and I do not think Olivia is going to survive this national press coverage.
Enviado el: lunes, 13 de febrero de 2012 12:23 p.m.
Para: 'Rafael Munoz'
Asunto: Baja Nomads
Thanks for clearing your name. A former PB resident has posted some old e-mails between you and her which also support your facts. Nomads are coming
to believe Olivia and Mark were not the victims in all of this. That is a big step for some of these people who were friends of theirs and who were
very vocal against you years ago. You were patient and waited for Olivia and Mark to make their mistakes. Good job.
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ramuma53
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Your questions about Federal Zone are on the spot
Olivia is claiming to have 3000 m2 Federal Zone while all my houses are out of Federal Zone and not posibly included.
3000 m2 at that rate will be a very high rent for a small restaurant, plus the diesel to kep the light on every day plus 3 to 5 employees??????? Would
any of you be able to keep paying 10 years of high paying attorneys also?
while only having a few nomads from time to time????????????????
This tell you that something alse is happening there during the nights.
This is no longer a secret,it is all over National news in Mexico city, Olivia belong to the Pacific cartel and is out in the open.
All this was another attempt of her to grabb my property with official complicity this time, but they never expected the national news coverage and I
am suing the governor, Estate district attorney, North zone district attorney local district attorney and estate policeman who acted that day
detaining my people.
The Mulege city police chief already accepted on the national news that he saw no court or official order, that he did it only in support to the local
district attorney who is a very good friend with Olivia and Nark because they are expecting to be partners on my hotel.
I am not going to stop this untill we clear all the bad weeds and my people is out and clear of any wrong doing, I do not care whou mach it takes or
cost.
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With the exception of Woosh, you no longer have any credibility on this board.
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Woooosh
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I am sure you are aware of the implicit danger of this situation if it goes further, and it seems from your post that it surely will. If Olivia is
indeed aligned with the Pacific Cartel (El Chapo and the Sinaloans), who is sweeping Baja- you will need to find a way to get your land back without
the cartel feeling threatened. Of course everyone has alliances when they get powerful in Mexico, so I am sure you know where your support lies. If
this comes down to CAF against El Chapo, that is a battle currently in full swing in Baja and El Chapos people have the money to buy or influence
everyone in their way.
Land and lives do not have equal value.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ramuma53
blah, blah, blah |
ram*****:
please explain why your employees conducted an armed blockade of property.
please tell us if you think that conducting an armed siege/blockade is acceptable behavior in any civilized society.
[Edited on 2-15-2012 by BajaNomad]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
With the exception of Woosh, you no longer have any credibility on this board. |
I respectfully disagree Skip, I'm not taking ramu's side or even suggesting that I believe his stories. I think I'll wait and see how things play out
before I pass judgement.......
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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For a lawyer "ramuna" certainly is loose with his accusations against others...In his case it's too bad Mexico decriminalized defamation and slander
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