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shari
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this just appeared in the local Gn rag...can you say quagmire?
http://detodoguerrero.com/2012/02/investiga-la-siedo-nexos-d...
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Pompano
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If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc. etc. etc..
I wonder..? Is Baja Nomads mostly a USA pc-correct orientated readership?...and is that in itself reason enough to explain why some think that duck
is a... dove?? 
As the world churns....
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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mtgoat666
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What a pathetic soap opera. ALL parties involved appear to be greedy and selfish and telling lies to support their agendas. The governnment would be
wisest if they just ignored the whole lot of them and spent their time on more important matters.
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goldhuntress
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What a soap opera! You could NOT make this stuff up,  I don't think I could get
myself into this kind of cluster... even if I tried!
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wessongroup
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A movie was suggested ... along with voting for who plays who ... we already have a script ... just not the final ending to this story, at this time
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[Edited on 2-14-2012 by wessongroup]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
I can't even fathom forming an opinion on this as to "right" or "wrong" from a distance... |
come on, everyone is capable of forming an opinion -- knowldge is not even required -- in the words of that greek goddes: "just do it!". i am amazed
when public opinion polls find people that are "undecided." how do people go thru life without being opinionated?
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XPBRes
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Notice the date of this email, and at this point he was calling us all HOMEOWERS,
I have emails saying that Mark & Olivia would be gone as far back 2003, I really don't think most of you can understand at all what we went thru.
The story onthis board is the same one from back in 2002 when we had both parties telling us the same story they are telling you!!
Notice how quickly Munoz praised me for the truth when it benefited him. Yes it is the wild west in baja and the court system is messed up but people
make those issues by not being civil, trustworthy and honest!!!
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 2:56 PM
Subject: RE: San Buenaventura urgent
Dear homeowners
Narcolivia and Nark Burbey keep trying to go to jail and this time it looks like they are going to get it.
Past September 16, Olivia, other guy and Mark armed with a baseball bat (Mark) and a machete (Olivia), attacked Juan and another of the hotel's
employees, they perforated the hotel's van's tire and broke the front window, plus tried to hit Juan on the head from behind, when they were caught
stealing another of our signs; of course one of them ended eating dirt and all the others running, plus, we had a lot of witnesses of their criminal
actions; we sent our attorney from Mexico city to press charges and he have been there since Thursday and the criminal case against them keep getting
fatter; now it is 2 counts of robbery with violence one of them with weapons, 2 counts of damages in private property, violence with intent to kill
with a weapon, entering with criminal intent a private property and several others.
Of course we know that the state's public attorney in Mulege was on her side, because the state policemen came to her restaurant regularly, because of
their narc activities, but, we went up and twisted their arm a little with the federal police and now he is very interested in prosecuting them, even
the state policeman who now became very law abiding policemen.
This week we also expect her to be legally notified of eviction from the federal zone while Nark Burbey now have a fat file in the Mexico's State
department and immigration offices, compounded with criminal activities in Mexico.
If we expected her to be out soon, now it will be very soon and if she is smart (she is not, we know fore sure by now) she will go out by herself and
will run for the border within a few days of course if she can, because several well motivated policeman are now looking for her and Mark.
Rafael M Munoz
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Diver
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Ramuna must not be a very good attorney or very well connected for this to still be in limbo 8 years later.
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Skipjack Joe
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Frankly I'm suprised at the nomads sitting on the fence.
This is a story of david and goliath. A goliath that's using every ounce of strength to crush his opponent. He's placed all his weight on the
opponents head and yet still, miraculously, the cranium holds.
Even if you know nothing of the facts the sheer disproportion of this battle should speak to you.
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Oh, how ramuma wants this land. He can almost taste it now. The greed is sickening.
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XPBRes
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Does anybody out there have any ? as to how Olivia and Marc have supported themselves throughout this. Just utilities, food, employees would be hard
to support from the money they make at the beach????
We use to sit around speculating as how Mike did it. Remember planes, boats and cars. Not to mention the buildup on the beach.
Now you add to this the time and money, fines, taxes and lawyers.
HOW DO THEY DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This hasn't been easy on Munoz either. I know his partner is gone I think his marriage too. The hotel is in ruin and the homes are abandoned and in
terrible shape.
This once was home to many and a dream paradise to all who visited.
Do you think maybe Karma is a b-tch!!!
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by XPBRes
Does anybody out there have any ? as to how Olivia and Marc have supported themselves throughout this. Just utilities, food, employees would be hard
to support from the money they make at the beach????
We use to sit around speculating as how Mike did it. Remember planes, boats and cars. Not to mention the buildup on the beach.
Now you add to this the time and money, fines, taxes and lawyers.
HOW DO THEY DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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interesting question,...
trust fund from daddy?
savings from job earlier in life?
turtle soup?
smuggling hellow kitty merchandise?
i am sure that nomads will develop many theories!
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
With the exception of Woosh, you no longer have any credibility on this board. |
I respectfully disagree Skip, I'm not taking ramu's side or even suggesting that I believe his stories. I think I'll wait and see how things play out
before I pass judgement....... |
I came to the board after the Turtle Soup thread started. Raphael become more active on the board a year or so ago, helping Nomads understand the law
when it comes to land titles. More than a few nomads follow that thread and all the questions nomads have raised on the topic have been answered by
Raphael (Ramuma53) in great detail, citing specific laws and rules. He spends a lot of time replying and I have learned a great deal on the subject
from him. Many of us have. The tone in his answers is the same as the tone he used 10 years ago when writing to XPBres, so I'm leaning towards
Raphael being the more constant of the variables.
Most Americans find the ability to land-grab legally in Mexico 2012 tantalizing to say the least. But BCS is less than 100 years old so there is
still lots of straightening out to do in the paperwork department and imho this will continue until every piece of land held with sloppy paperwork has
been seized and claimed by those with knowledge of the land title laws. It is what it is, but it is not illegal. Same with what Wall Street recently
did to the US economy- repulsive, but not illegal.
I still think there are more facts to be revealed and we have still only heard from two people on one side. Raphael and XPBres both posted some
documents which is appreciated. Nothing from the other side as of yet, but they didn't start this thread- others did. I do wonder why the Navy is
now investigating Olivia for selling Turtle Soup ten years ago. but all is fair in land wars I suppose.
If you think this land battle is news, wait until people see the chunk of land in Rosarito Beach Raphael's group has paid the SRA already for and is
waiting for the land title to. That will be most interesting with many more people and properties involved...
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Cypress
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So Wall Street caused the US economy to tank? Learn something every day. Who'd a thunk it.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
So Wall Street caused the US economy to tank? Learn something every day. Who'd a thunk it. |
You know the debacle to which I refer... Mortgage Banks, Banks, Wall Street hedge funds, yuk
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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latina
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In all my days I have never seen ANY lawyer worth a grain of salt slander others and resort to the type of language and name-calling that ramuna
does.... What he writes says way more about the kind of man he is than anyone else...
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by latina
In all my days I have never seen ANY lawyer worth a grain of salt slander others and resort to the type of language and name-calling that ramuna
does.... What he writes says way more about the kind of man he is than anyone else... |
8-10 years ago was certainly a different time. The drug violence had not started and it was looked upon very differently. Like a pet Lion that got
too big and turns on it's masters.
A view from another baja board:
"Mike was running drugs... Olivia was his pin cushion and never had any connection to any cartels.. she is also dumb as a sack of hammers as is
Nark/Mark.. Drug money provided the seed money for the place and also the reason the owner kept a plane around after. It was back in the day when
drug runners from mexico were considered cool. No headless bodies laying around and all the teenage girls you could boink behind your wifes back.
Fun while it lasted except for all the carnage of the innocents... "
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
A view from another baja board:
"Mike was running drugs... Olivia was his pin cushion and never had any connection to any cartels.. she is also dumb as a sack of hammers as is
Nark/Mark.. Drug money provided the seed money for the place and also the reason the owner kept a plane around after. It was back in the day when
drug runners from mexico were considered cool. No headless bodies laying around and all the teenage girls you could boink behind your wifes back.
Fun while it lasted except for all the carnage of the innocents... " |
woooosh:
are you now doing public relations for ram*****?
and what prompts you to post third-hand slander without citing source?
your sure sound like a lap dog of ram*****!
[Edited on 2-15-2012 by BajaNomad]
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
A view from another baja board:
"Mike was running drugs... Olivia was his pin cushion and never had any connection to any cartels.. she is also dumb as a sack of hammers as is
Nark/Mark.. Drug money provided the seed money for the place and also the reason the owner kept a plane around after. It was back in the day when
drug runners from mexico were considered cool. No headless bodies laying around and all the teenage girls you could boink behind your wifes back.
Fun while it lasted except for all the carnage of the innocents... " |
woooosh:
are you now doing public relations for ram*****?
and what prompts you to post third-hand slander without citing source?
your sure sound like a lap dog of ram*****! |
nothing new in there that Raphael hasn't put in his complaint to the PGR (which was linked earlier). I do respect Ramuma53 (Raphael) for his
expertise in real estate law and his patience with these people from what documents have been posted. The point of the post above was that the drug
business back then wasn't a big deal. It was the post from XPBRes that states how the local residents always wondered out loud for years where the
money came from.
"Ram* ****"? That is the first name calling on this thread. Too bad we never make it through a discussion without it. Yo are a piece of work there
Mr. Goat. If Jesse jumps in, you can go another 33 pages on this thread and never get any closer to the truth or an answer- just like "Turtle Bust".
If he doesn't come back for this, he never will.
[Edited on 2-14-2012 by Woooosh]
[Edited on 2-15-2012 by BajaNomad]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Burbs
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I'm back in.
Many things being said are untruths or partial truths about us.
Rafael Munoz Martinez and Juan Ernesto Corona showed at Buenaventura more than ten years ago claiming they was the owners. Olivia and I were north in
the San Diego area visiting family. A day before we were to return a call was made from the Italian partners in the hotel that the real owner of
Buenaventura was here and they wanted to meet us in Tijuana. Our reply was that whomever it was they could meet us at the beach. When we returned to
Buenaventura the employees had been brainwashed by Munoz after he had meet with employees claiming that they had their jobs secure with him. Even
better they would be making two or three times as much in pay with Munoz and Corona. They were corrupted with this thought. Munoz and Corona also
traveled to Loreto, Santa Rosalia and Mulege introducing themselves as the new owner of Buenaventura. A couple of days later Munoz, Corona and the
Italians returned from Tijuana. They all needed to go to Tijuana because they tried to get the sale of the hotel notarized in Santa Rosalia but this
was refused by the notary because Olivia a partner in the hotel was not there to agree to the sale. The notary refused to accept the papers because
Olivia was a partner in the hotel and she needed to be present and agree. The notary Sergio told Munoz, Corona and the Italians to get Olivia and he
could notarize. Somehow a notary in Tijuana notarized the transfer or sale. Maybe the notary in TJ was friends of these characters. The transfer or
sale of the hotel is illegal and this illegal transfer or sale is part of our lawsuit against Munoz and Corona. Munoz claimed he owned the land since
he was 18 and did not want to take us to court. He wanted us to make him a offer to sell. We met with Munoz and Corona in Ensenada at a stripped out
old hotel they said was theirs. The hotel was not theirs. Many unscrupulous characters were hanging around doing nothing. We were brought to a room
and seated in plastic beer chairs in a dirty room and the door was closed. After about 15 minutes Munoz and Corona entered. Munoz (wish I had a video)
went on about how the property was his and Corona's. Olivia told him it did not matter because she has been living there for an extended time. We told
him we wanted three million. We figured about 800,000 for the home leasee's. This 800M figure did not include the hotel. WE said it had to be cash and
no payments. Investigating Munoz past we found that he would give some little money down and fail to pay the rest so it would have to be cash. Munoz
replied that was ridiculous Juan Ernesto Corona would offer a generous amount of 50,000 dollars. Oliva told Munoz that was not enough to wipe her butt
with, and we walked out. While leaving Munoz was saying in a loud voice that we would get nothing then. We said that would be fine and we want to
check his property title. Days later we checked on this title he was using #51829 and the number existed, the title did NOT appear authentic and with
my printing experience I noticed the signatures were scanned because the shadows of the scans had not been erased. The number of this first
title#51829(he has two titles) exists for Veracruz, Mexico. Hmmmm could this be a fake title? Munoz and young thugs from Tijuana have now moved into
the hotel and the good feeling for Buenaventura is changing real fast. The thugs were taking beer and cigarettes from our store on the street, saying
they would pay for them later but not paying. I just closed the store. Maybe some of you remember the little mini mart on the highway called The Spot.
Olivia, Munoz and I met out by our entrance and we told Munoz we would supply the power, and water, but he would have to pay all of the diesel and
water costs until this title thing is figured out. Munoz said he would only pay half or we would go out of business. The next day we cut the water and
power to the other half of the beach. This all happened about ten years ago.
We gathered evidence and went to La Paz to get a attorney. We were instructed that if the home leaser's were not going to pay and they seemed to side
with Munoz, then they needed to be sued individually. We returned to Buenaventura and the persons with the houses had sided with Munoz and given power
of attorney to Munoz representing them ALL in court. Now Munoz has corrupted all of the leasers' into giving him authority on their behalf. I'm not
sure but I've been told that Munoz had contracts made up for all of them and they were paying Munoz now and not Olivia for the leases. No persons put
money in escrow with the courts, they gave Munoz complete authority. When we went to court some of these persons were there sitting with Munoz.
Newspapers came and were taking pictures of Munoz and his hand. These were our friends and now this was happening in court. I tried or attempted to
get them to believe us with evidence but none would have any of it.
ALL PERSONS SIDED WITH MUNOZ. None sided with Olivia.
Munoz shows papers in court, but now has another title 432947 it looks fuzzy and is hard to read. Two titles for the same property must be better than
one! The number exists, but it is for another state in Mexico called Puebla. Holy crap this is what I want to hear. Should be a slam dunk. Nope Munoz
claims he has been duped by the officials and he has been fraud. So this is what you do when you titles are not real, claim that the government has
fraud you! Our cases go on and on with stall tactics by Munoz and his lawyers for years. A couple of years ago the sentence came in Olivia's favor. At
the last moment while the official are entering Buenaventura Munoz's wife Sandra shows up with amparo halting the execution order of the houses being
physically awarded to Olivia. Amparo's take awhile and are reviewed by three judges. Munoz lost the amparo and then he would ask for another review
stalling more. In November of 2011 officials arrived with police and Munoz's persons here at Buenaventura. Elizabeth Montano and Fernando Blanco were
removed. A Munoz lawyer Juaquin Cuesta was present in November when this happened and they were escorted off the property. It has been almost 10 years
now since Munoz showed at Buenaventura. The homes are in a real mess. Widows and doors have been removed as well as all the furniture. Most of these
items were taken by the Munoz people and sold to the highest bidder in Mulege. People in Mulege were telling us they had NO money and were soliciting
items for sale. Munoz was not paying them and this was how they survived. On Feburary 8th persons enter in two vehicles shooting off guns and driving
in circles on the beach. One of the houses we were awarded was broken into and ALL of our personal items, pictures and identifications were burned in
full view. The rest is what this thread is about.
For these ten years we have been mistreated and abused more than one can imagine. Munoz and his employees have made it very difficult for us to live
in peace and run a simple business. It is like we have to live next to a bunch of terrorists. We did not want to take anyone's home or hotel, but we
could not allow Munoz to take them either. Now we have stripped homes and a junky hotel to deal with in the future. We are NOT excited about getting
all of these structures. We are NOT done with all the lawsuits. Two lawsuits are left and should proceed quickly. We are excited to have Munoz and his
misfits of thus society OUT!
In my opinion it was Franca and Roberto Meloni(Italian Hotel Partners) who screwed the home leaser's. The Italian partners screwed us also. They
allowed Munoz in the hotel. Olivia pleaded for the Italian partners to wait and investigate the legality of Munoz's papers. Franco and Roberto did
not. This set the motion Munoz to go after the homes. After Munoz got in the hotel he tried to take it all. The Italians were not good people. I
believe they knew about Munoz and his ways leaving the other Americans to fend for themselves.
The home leaser's picked their side, which was Munoz. As in any poker game sometimes you loose. I did not believe Munoz's bluff tactics. I'm glad to
have won the game but leasee's should not be such sore losers. I feel bad that there are persons who harbor hatred feelings and feel like they know it
all about Buenaventura. They don't and don't you believe much of what is said. Please base your decisions with such said things about Buenaventura by
meeting with us first. Munoz lovers out there you should have spent some time in my shoes.
If everyone would have had better legal advice it would have probably turned out better for them including us. Olivia is a member of the Ejido La
Purisma and the ejido has been dividing up properties. Many good things could have happened for the lease's. They all should have at least put their
money in a legal court escrow until they really knew who was right and wrong. OUR INTENTIONS WERE NOT TO TAKE ANYONE'S HOUSE OR HOTEL. WE WERE FORCED
INTO THIS POSITION TO PROTECT OURSELVES.
Rafael Munoz Martinez has no intentions of winning in court. He will win by intimidation and strong arm tactics. Oh, Mr. Munoz one of your investor
friends came by the other day and said he wants his money. Please call your hotel friend if TJ and give him your address so you can pay him back. He's
peeed off and wants his money back. Did not have nice things to say about you
Ted ******* (Mr. Anonymous), I am sorry you left and lost your house. You could have used some of this energy against Munoz or investigated him. You
were rarely here and you do not know me as you say. I disagree with many of your statements and I call you a liar. If your going to make statements
about me, at least man up to things and put your name down.
Mark @Buenaventura
[Edited on 2-15-2012 by BajaNomad]
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Woooosh
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According to the story, two of Raphael's men are being held in jail for 30 days, and that is interesting if they did nothing wrong, as Raphael claims.
The way this is playing out we'll have to wait another ten years to see who owns or gets what. It is certainly clear at this point that no one has
paid cash for anything. You can't get Federal Zone land by squatting on it either, it is "inperscriptable".
A few people have said this would scare them from Baja real estate. IMHO this debacle has little to do with a real estate transaction where cash and
property change hands. It is about a second tier of land manipulators with ALL parties trying to game the system and get something for free. Most of
us would never encounter a situation like this in Baja, thankfully.
[Edited on 2-15-2012 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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