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David K
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Thanks Mark (if it is you, using a new Nomad name?)!
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Burbs
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Yes Burbs is Mark at Buenaventura. Olivia and I used the past Oliguacamoli. Some of the things said are very upsetting and she prefers to stay out. I
will like to be a part of this thread as it concerns us directly.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Burbs
Yes Burbs is Mark at Buenaventura. Olivia and I used the past Oliguacamoli. Some of the things said are very upsetting and she prefers to stay out. I
will like to be a part of this thread as it concerns us directly. |
Good to see you here Mark... and it was good to meet you back in 2009... Hope to see you guys again next summer!
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desertcpl
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| Quote: | Originally A few people have said this would scare them from Baja real estate. IMHO this debacle has little to do with a real estate transaction
where cash and property change hands. It is about a second tier of land manipulators with ALL parties trying to game the system and get something for
free. Most of us would never encounter a situation like this in Baja, thankfully.
I dont really agree with you, how would a Gringo looking at this and other transactions that have taken place in Baja over the years know the
difference, didnt some like this happen in Ensensada some time back, I forget what the development was, but Gringos spent alot of money building and
then have the Edijo come in a claim ownership |
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Burbs
Yes Burbs is Mark at Buenaventura. |
Verification please. We're a little gun-shy about the nom de guerre around here these days and you're already refering to yourself in the third
person.
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[Edited on 2-15-2012 by DENNIS]
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by desertcpl
| Quote: | Originally A few people have said this would scare them from Baja real estate. IMHO this debacle has little to do with a real estate transaction
where cash and property change hands. It is about a second tier of land manipulators with ALL parties trying to game the system and get something for
free. Most of us would never encounter a situation like this in Baja, thankfully.
I dont really agree with you, how would a Gringo looking at this and other transactions that have taken place in Baja over the years know the
difference, didnt some like this happen in Ensensada some time back, I forget what the development was, but Gringos spent alot of money building and
then have the Edijo come in a claim ownership |
I believe you are thinking of the Punta Banda incident, and when I talked with people who would know the facts I was told those folks knew they were
taking a risk and were willing to take a chance to enjoy the location until the real owners came around... ?? Who knows, right? |
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Burbs
Yes Burbs is Mark at Buenaventura. |
Verification please. We're a little gun-shy about the nom de guerre around here these days and you're already refering to yourself in the third
person.
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[Edited on 2-15-2012 by DENNIS] |
Yah, but in the next sentence: "Olivia and I used the past Oliguacamoli" which is correct.
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wessongroup
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More information and/or facts are always welcomed .. IMHO ... either here or in court ..
As this is not court, rather a place to talk about things ... anything... with the board rules duly noted...
The experiences and/or considerations required when buying, owing and/or leasing land in Baja is a very important topic and very helpful .. I know it
sure helped us, while down looking at property for a little over a year...
Thanks to ALL ... as it all does help ... 
And off topic, what's new... ridge ... thanks that was a really good movie.. I don't speak spanish.. but, still enjoyed the entire movie... the one
that always comes to mind for me.. a movie made in Mexico on a shoe string... which was outstanding ...
El Mariachi ... by Robert Rodriguez in 1992
[Edited on 2-15-2012 by wessongroup]
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DENNIS
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Not all true, David. There was stupidity on the buyer's part and collusion on the sellers part. The government was right in the middle of it all.
Some of the dispossesed even had Fideicomiso's issued.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Not all true, David. There was stupidity on the buyer's part and collusion on the sellers part. The government was right in the middle of it all.
Some of the dispossesed even had Fideicomiso's issued. |
The Punta Banda incident?... I am not attempting to explain it, just relating what I was told by one of your neighbors back in 2001. No worries!
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wessongroup
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"Money will determine whether the accused goes to prison or walks out of the courtroom a free man."
Johnnie Cochran
Read more: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnniecoc191515....
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XPBRes
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OK Mark,
Let's go thru the list of lies,
Thad & Lora haven't been gone a season and your showing pictures on Facebook of your new Home.
You never built anything there and the beach is now in ruin.
I was rarely there, when we’re you there when the beach was actually developed, right you weren't.
ALL PERSONS SIDED WITH MUNOZ. None sided with Olivia.
Not TRUE:
Jim & Irma, Alex & Gayleen did not, they just walked away because they trusted you guys.
Did you give them back there investments ($140,000 USD)?
These people never got a chance to be involved Larry & Charmaine, Ron & Teresa, Barry & Mellissa
Liars have a way of exposing themselves, keep going.
I will admit that I was not involved in all of your discussion about the beach but I'm not quite sure how my version of events sounds that much
different than yours. Everyone has a point of view that shades their own agenda. Mine is to represent those that are long gone do to this mess. It is
funny to me that you are blaming Roberto. If it wasn't for them the improvements to the beach would not have been there for you to now claim, Of
course how would you know that you weren’t there for that either.
I will say that we did have to make a decision about who to side with. Do we side with people who we have dealt with for 10 years who have lied about
our leases? Stolen from Larry, Ron and the crown jewel Barry & Mellissa. Another home that hadn’t been vacant very long and you moved into and
claimed.
PLEASE EXPLAIN:
Why were we in new lease talks when this all began (2001)?
I will be posting our 30year lease signed by all parties.
Mark you are not a victim you’re a participant in this Wild West production.
Ted Clinite
[Edited on 2-15-2012 by XPBRes]
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latina
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Curious...was the partner of Muñoz 10 years ago Juan Ernesto Corona FLORES????? ...named by the Mexican government as a key figure in the Tijuana drug
cartel....Whoa Nelly...google him and feel the hair go up on the back of your neck...If it is him, Sr. Muñoz associates with some pretty scary
folks....
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Yah, but in the next sentence: "Olivia and I used the past Oliguacamoli" which is correct. |
The whole world knows that, David.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by latina
Curious...was the partner of Muñoz 10 years ago Juan Ernesto Corona FLORES????? ...named by the Mexican government as a key figure in the Tijuana drug
cartel....Whoa Nelly...google him and feel the hair go up on the back of your neck...If it is him, Sr. Muñoz associates with some pretty scary
folks.... |
the whos who of the drama is interesting, as the corona and munoz stories were endlessly discussed in previous posts on several threads. but the
earlier info appears to be google cut/paste jobs repeating all sorts of nonsense mixed with truth. but let's not let facts get in the way of a good
story!
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elgatoloco
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I just clicked on this thread and the ad at the top of page says: SOMETHING FISHY. 
Hope no one gets hurt in all this. Mano Negro and one of his buddies bought the wife and I a couple of margaritas about ten years ago at La Fonda and
gave me his card good for a free nights stay at one of his many hotels. Need to find that card and collect.
MAGA
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by latina
Curious...was the partner of Muñoz 10 years ago Juan Ernesto Corona FLORES????? ...named by the Mexican government as a key figure in the Tijuana drug
cartel....Whoa Nelly...google him and feel the hair go up on the back of your neck...If it is him, Sr. Muñoz associates with some pretty scary
folks.... |
Probably true. Everyone with major land, money or political power in Mexico the past decade has some connection to drug money. (JFK's family made
their money largely from selling booze during Prohibition). I guess Carlos Slim is one of the few who did it on his own. The power of the drug
cartels fits into the mindset of power in Mexico. By that I mean it's an oligarchy- where the gov't owns everything and the people have to ask or buy
everything from the gov't. When the gov't let some groups of people down, the drug lords stepped in to provide for them. That won their allegiance
and people see them as no better or worse than the people in power through "elections". If they can help them, they can help them. Same all over the
world pretty much. There's no stigma on it down here. The only reason people don't talk about it more openly outside of family is no one is sure who
is really in power at a given moment so you don't want to align yourself with one or the other. The dynamic is interesting.
From 2009: http://www2.esmas.com/noticierostelevisa/internacional/ameri...
"The official also said Drug trafficking in Mexico is controlled by five large posters:
1. . - TIJUANA, headed by Fernando Sanchez Arellano, Arellano Felix Enedina Toledo, Eduardo Garcia Simental and JUAN ERNESTO CORONA FLORES.
2. - JUAREZ, led by Vicente Carrillo Fuentes.
3. - Sinaloa, led by Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman.
4. - THE GULF, led by Jorge Costilla Sanchez and Antonio Ezequiel Card##as Guillen.
5. - THE MILLENNIUM, run by brothers Valencia and Diaz Parada, Oaxaca Cartel."
[Edited on 2-15-2012 by Woooosh]
[Edited on 2-15-2012 by Woooosh]
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BajaNomad
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Burbs
Yes Burbs is Mark at Buenaventura. |
I'm confirming that Burbs is indeed Mark from Buenaventura.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
I guess Carlos Slim is one of the few who did it on his own. |
Well....Salinas may have helped him out a bit when he privatized the country....doncha think?
Besides...where does it say Slim is squeeky clean? He probably has more to do with Mexico's drug nightmare than he even knows.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
I guess Carlos Slim is one of the few who did it on his own. |
Well....Salinas may have helped him out a bit when he privatized the country....doncha think?
Besides...where does it say Slim is squeeky clean? He probably has more to do with Mexico's drug nightmare than he even knows.
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Really, you think being granted a telecommunications monopoly helped his bottom line? you win.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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