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DENNIS
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I'm confirming that Burbs is indeed Mark from Buenaventura. |
OK....I'll take off my Mengano hat and go about my business. Thanks.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Really, you think being granted a telecommunications monopoly helped his bottom line?  you win. |
"Granted" may be a bit misleading. Salinas never granted anything to anybody. He's probably still being paid for it.
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KurtG
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Having watched all this from the early days there is only one thing that I can say with complete conviction and that is Mike George made a helluva
hamburger. The guy knew how to run a bar/restaurant whether it was the original on the beach or La Casona in Mulege.
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desertcpl
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| Quote: | Originally posted by elgatoloco
I just clicked on this thread and the ad at the top of page says: SOMETHING FISHY. 
Hope no one gets hurt in all this. Mano Negro and one of his buddies bought the wife and I a couple of margaritas about ten years ago at La Fonda and
gave me his card good for a free nights stay at one of his many hotels. Need to find that card and collect. |
it was not for a night only 3 hours
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Hook
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| Quote: | | Quote: | | Originally posted by Woooosh...what Wall Street recently did...not illegal... |
Heh. That was a good
one. |
The sad part is.......he's right. That's why there is still no one on Wall Street, to my knowledge, who went to jail over the selling of those toxic
assets.
At the very least, the people bundling those assets and the ratings agencies who declared them sound and the SEC officials who were supposed to police
all this should be swinging from a yardarm.
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mulegemichael
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dennis...i even git a knee jerk when an amigo says something even close to critical about someone on this board...please; carlos
slim???....don't..please don't...we value your presence here.
dyslexia is never having to say you\'re yrros.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
| Quote: | | Originally posted by Woooosh...what Wall Street recently did...not illegal... |
Heh. That was a good
one. |
The sad part is.......he's right. That's why there is still no one on Wall Street, to my knowledge, who went to jail over the selling of those toxic
assets.
At the very least, the people bundling those assets and the ratings agencies who declared them sound and the SEC officials who were supposed to police
all this should be swinging from a yardarm. |
buying and selling securities in US markets is a lot more secure than buying and selling real estate in mexico. if all of our 401Ks and IRAs were in
a market like mexican real estate, we would all be toast!
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Burbs
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 These are some questions I've been asked to answer in a previous post by
TED C.
OK Mark,
Let's go thru the list of lies,
Thad & Lora haven't been gone a season and your showing pictures on Facebook of your new Home.
After 10 years in court in La Paz with over 100 round trips there we were
awarded the house you refer to as Thad and Laura. Also Stan's house and your old house was awarded to Olivia. Officials advised us to move into these
homes to protect them. This is what we are doing now. We are protecting what is legally ours. -Ted you may have your half finished house back. You
will just need to pay some back rent.
You never built anything there and the beach is now in ruin.
Sounds like a Munoz statement
I was rarely there, when we’re you there when the beach was actually developed, right you weren't.
I don't know how to answer this.
ALL PERSONS SIDED WITH MUNOZ. None sided with Olivia.
Not TRUE:
Jim & Irma, Alex & Gayleen did not, they just walked away because they trusted you guys.
Jim an Irma owed a couple of years of rent. They said we had to forgive it
or they would turn over the info to Munoz and we would lose everything. I called them on the bluff.
Alex and Gayleen we never heard from........never a email or a note.
Nothing
Did you give them back there investments ($140,000 USD)?
Give back, why would that happen. Munoz was the one stirring the pot. How
do you come up with such dollar figures.
These people never got a chance to be involved Larry & Charmaine, Ron & Teresa, Barry & Mellissa
Larry and Charmian were told by Olivia and me that when we finish with
Munoz they could have their lot. Mike took their money and ran. We would honor what Mike did. The others you mention I do not know of have met.
Liars have a way of exposing themselves, keep going.
Ted, you are a very bitter person.
I will admit that I was not involved in all of your discussion about the beach but I'm not quite sure how my version of events sounds that much
different than yours. Everyone has a point of view that shades their own agenda. Mine is to represent those that are long gone do to this mess. It is
funny to me that you are blaming Roberto. If it wasn't for them the improvements to the beach would not have been there for you to now claim, Of
course how would you know that you weren’t there for that either.
If Roberto and Franca had not let Munoz and Corona into the hotel things
might have turned out better for you and us. With them making a moments decision to bail with a 25,000 dollar down from MUnoz and a promise from
Munozo pay the rest in payments on a 450,000 sale. I have the papers on this ttransfer-transaction and Roberto and Franco left the rest of us to deal
with Munoz and Corona. After the sale Roberto and Franca wrote you declaring what a wonderful person these guys were. I bet Munoz had them write the
letter of recommendation so he could screw you easier! Con Munoz. I have been here and for all these 11 years. Olivia and I have been married for
eight years and all of our savings and profits have gone to keep Munoz out and away with his falsified documents.
I will say that we did have to make a decision about who to side with. Do we side with people who we have dealt with for 10 years who have lied about
our leases? Stolen from Larry, Ron and the crown jewel Barry & Mellissa. Another home that hadn’t been vacant very long and you moved into and
claimed.
I was not part of that Mike leases that you claim. The leases had to be
straitened out. Your lease is only valid for just less than 10 years. You can have a 30 years lease, but the Mexican courts will only honor just less
than 10 years of it. This is done to protect the Mexican with foreign investors. Mike made a deal with you and everyone to pay him 10M dollars and you
never have to pay rent again. The Ejido La Puisima said they now needed to be paid something of the rents. We agreed and the rent for the homes was
equivalent to other area rents. Of all the persons, you Ted were the one to come out best with this "to good to be true Mike DEAL). Never did you have
to pay late fees and never were you applied the cost of living increase. You did not have it that bad. Barry and Melissa had partially built a house.
I was told by numerous persons the inherited 250M and spent all their monies quickly. The went broke and sold off their belongings before I came here.
Barry and Melissa were notified after I came that they could move into their house, but needed to pay the back rent which was not much. They declined
and Olivia wanted me to move into the house. I did invest in materials, finished the electrical and plumbing and walled off and painted the front
porch. I do not know why this would bother you so....then or now. When Munoz came he was very threatening and Olivia and I decided to live here by the
restaurant.
Liars have a way of exposing themselves, keep going.
Ted, you are a very bitter person.
PLEASE EXPLAIN:
Why were we in new lease talks when this all began (2001)?
See above
I will be posting our 30year lease signed by all parties.
Go ahead. I have most of all your paperwork here in case you need more.
Mark you are not a victim you’re a participant in this Wild West production.
Not sure how to answer this.
Ted Clinite
Thanks for using your name. Man UP!
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mcfez
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I will be posting our 30year lease signed by all parties. ???
Mexico...has 30 year leases? I don't think so Sir.
:Not taken sides here:
| Quote: | Originally posted by XPBRes
OK Mark,
Let's go thru the list of lies,
Thad & Lora haven't been gone a season and your showing pictures on Facebook of your new Home.
You never built anything there and the beach is now in ruin.
I was rarely there, when we’re you there when the beach was actually developed, right you weren't.
ALL PERSONS SIDED WITH MUNOZ. None sided with Olivia.
Not TRUE:
Jim & Irma, Alex & Gayleen did not, they just walked away because they trusted you guys.
Did you give them back there investments ($140,000 USD)?
These people never got a chance to be involved Larry & Charmaine, Ron & Teresa, Barry & Mellissa
Liars have a way of exposing themselves, keep going.
I will admit that I was not involved in all of your discussion about the beach but I'm not quite sure how my version of events sounds that much
different than yours. Everyone has a point of view that shades their own agenda. Mine is to represent those that are long gone do to this mess. It is
funny to me that you are blaming Roberto. If it wasn't for them the improvements to the beach would not have been there for you to now claim, Of
course how would you know that you weren’t there for that either.
I will say that we did have to make a decision about who to side with. Do we side with people who we have dealt with for 10 years who have lied about
our leases? Stolen from Larry, Ron and the crown jewel Barry & Mellissa. Another home that hadn’t been vacant very long and you moved into and
claimed.
PLEASE EXPLAIN:
Why were we in new lease talks when this all began (2001)?
I will be posting our 30year lease signed by all parties.
Mark you are not a victim you’re a participant in this Wild West production.
Ted Clinite
[Edited on 2-15-2012 by XPBRes] |
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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desertcpl
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
| Quote: | | Originally posted by Woooosh...what Wall Street recently did...not illegal... |
Heh. That was a good
one. |
The sad part is.......he's right. That's why there is still no one on Wall Street, to my knowledge, who went to jail over the selling of those toxic
assets.
At the very least, the people bundling those assets and the ratings agencies who declared them sound and the SEC officials who were supposed to police
all this should be swinging from a yardarm. |
YUP I totaly agree with this statement
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ELINVESTIG8R
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XPBRes
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mcfez,
Please remember there was no nomad or internet when we signed a lease (1991) with Mike & Olivia. We, as I stated earlier, were subleasing from
them. This was not a purchase it was a 30year rental agreement. There are at least 7 of these. I know now we were uneducated about this. I have been
told there are leases with ejido that are honored at 30 years. So you can see this isn't that clear cut.
I thought that was why this board was here to help.
We went to La Purisima 1993 joining Mike & Olivia to meet with the ejido and the town. We weren’t invited to the meeting but did join the town in
there fiesta. This was so that we could get our documents signed and stamped.
This seemed very real to us and again we trusted the parties involved.
As to Mark at least the name calling has gone from liar to bitter, I can live with that.
I do appreciate that you took the time to answer now. Just so you know we held off for a year starting 2002 before we took sides. You had a year to
prove your case to us, I don't remember you coming to us with any info. I do remember a new boiler plate lease and then an eviction notice. We paid
our rent for 10 years on time. When we did decide to go with Munoz we paid rent to him on time, therfore we were not behind in our rent. You have a
lot to say now but once again nothing has changed.
If Mike & Olivia had treated us with respect as we did them maybe we would have tried harder to resist and side with them.
It amazes me that all of us made the same decision not to go with you guys. I know ALL OF US ARE WRONG and you are right and this is all Roberto &
Franca fault, and I am bitter and a liar. Almost forget Mike in that list of people to blame.
You and Oli are as pure as the driven snow, now that is bitter.
I haven’t seen to many signing there post with their real names, but I would hope you would MAN UP for Mark from now on.
I didn’t think I was hiding
eX Playa Buenaventura Resident There are only a few of us left.
Just in case you didn't think I was man enough here it is again MARK,
Ted Clinite
[Edited on 2-16-2012 by XPBRes]
[Edited on 2-16-2012 by XPBRes]
[Edited on 2-16-2012 by XPBRes]
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mcfez
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I was NOT tearing you apart ....just inquiring about the story here.....please understand that.
I have gathered great help and information .....here at the BN over the years.....most of us do feed good information...from different perceptions
that we each have.
I most certainly would not want to be walking in your shoes right bout now......hang in there.....there is light at the end of the tunnel.
| Quote: | Originally posted by XPBRes
mcfez,
Please remember there was no nomad or internet when we signed a lease (1991) with Mike & Olivia. We, as I stated earlier, were subleasing from
them. This was not a purchase it was a 30year rental agreement. There are at least 7 of these. I know now we were uneducated about this. I have been
told there are leases with ejido that are honored at 30 years. So you can see this isn't that clear cut.
I thought that was why this board was here to help.
We went to La Purisima 1993 joining Mike & Olivia to meet with the ejido and the town. We weren’t invited to the meeting but did join the town in
there fiesta. This was so that we could get our documents signed and stamped.
This seemed very real to us and again we trusted the parties involved.
As to Mark at least the name calling has gone from liar to bitter, I can live with that.
I do appreciate that you took the time to answer now. Just so you know we held off for a year starting 2002 before we took sides. You had a year to
prove your case to us, I don't remember you coming to us with any info. I do remember a new boiler plate lease and then an eviction notice. We paid
our rent for 10 years on time. When we did decide to go with Munoz we paid rent to him on time, therfore we were not behind in our rent. You have a
lot to say now but once again nothing has changed.
If Mike & Olivia had treated us with respect as we did them maybe we would have tried harder to resist and side with them.
It amazes me that all of us made the same decision not to go with you guys. I know ALL OF US ARE WRONG and you are right and this is all Roberto &
Franca fault, and I am bitter and a liar. Almost forget Mike in that list of people to blame.
You and Oli are as pure as the driven snow, now that is bitter.
I haven’t seen to many signing there post with their real names, but I would hope you would MAN UP for Mark from now on.
I didn’t think I was hiding
eX Playa Buenaventura Resident There are only a few of us left.
Just in case you didn't think I was man enough here it is again MARK,
Ted Clinite
[Edited on 2-16-2012 by XPBRes]
[Edited on 2-16-2012 by XPBRes]
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Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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XPBRes
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Latina,
yes that was Munoz partner, and I have to admit when we were told about him, it was discussed. It did weigh in on the decesion for us to stay or go,
and the group split on that. We raised our concerns with a lawyer and ask directly of Munoz.
We have many regrets, most of them have to do with not being more educated, why we trust with out verifacation, and leaving an area that we loved so
much and you all share with us.
[Edited on 2-16-2012 by XPBRes]
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XPBRes
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Mcfez,
I hear you and do keep faith in the good people on this board.
i know i'm new to posting but I have lurked since the beginning
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Cypress
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Suppose this whole mess is now in the hands of the Mexican legal system. The lawyers and judges have another "cash cow" to milk.
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Pescador
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Perhaps this story best illustrates what went on in Baja during the "formative years". It was impossible to go to your local bank and get a "Small
Business Loan" and lots of businesses and operations were put together with a wing and a prayer. I just finished reading Lou Federico's book about
how they financed the hotel at Mulege and then put together a deal for building the hotel at Punta Chivato.
Sounds like the same thing happened here with the start of everything at Playa Buenaventura. Actually I think that Ted Clinite has a wonderful
perspective on the whole thing after having lived through the whole mess. The unfortunate part was that people assumed that Real Estate Laws were
something that could be counted on to fall back on. They were not and are only a little better at present. While this makes for some really good
deals, it also allows the unknown to sneak into transactions and rear it's ugly head, which happens fairly frequently.
It is my impression that also allows people like Munoz to slide in, offer people some small amount of money and try to take over ownership for a
fraction of the actual value. Of course he was more convincing than Mike and Olivia and later Mark and Olivia, he is a professional. After following
this saga and looking at the sagas at Tijuana, it is obvious, to me at least, that this is his chosen method of operation in most, if not all, of his
property dealings. Following that line of thought, he is not above using any kind of chicanery to achieve his goals like "planting turtle soup",
accusing the restaurant people of running drugs, charging them with all kinds of nefarious crimes and evil deeds, and generally stirring up the pot
at any given chance. He continues to do this in spite of the fact that he seems to surround himself with some very questionable people at all times.
And of course as the story has unfolded, you can not help but have some sympathy for Mark and Olivia who must be wondering where all of this came
from. But almost the same stories unfold when you get into the history of Punta Chivato or the early days of Lou Federico at Mulege and Chivato.
So, it is pretty much welcome to the Wild Wild West.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
Perhaps this story best illustrates what went on in Baja during the "formative years". It was impossible to go to your local bank and get a "Small
Business Loan" and lots of businesses and operations were put together with a wing and a prayer. |
Still cost prohibitive due to the usurious interest rates. What Mexico needs is for the cartels to open a bank and give reasonable loans. Who
wouldn't repay?
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
Perhaps this story best illustrates what went on in Baja during the "formative years". It was impossible to go to your local bank and get a "Small
Business Loan" and lots of businesses and operations were put together with a wing and a prayer. |
Still cost prohibitive due to the usurious interest rates. What Mexico needs is for the cartels to open a bank and give reasonable loans. Who
wouldn't repay? |
Gee Dennis. I don't know how to respond to that. I think the bank "officers" would just kidnap you the next day to get the principle back- and then
still collect the payments and interest. 
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Woooosh
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It is good that all parties are posting now. It is hard to imagine having gone through this since 1991. The strange part is those are the "glory
days" of Baja- when it was still relatively unexplored, life was supposedly simpler, and the spirit of adventure was everywhere. Then you hear what
these people went through during that period. It just sucks. period.
And XPBres is correct that with no internet or legal advisers who spoke English they could trust- there was little to verify they were heading the
right direction with the right people.
Raphael got more active on this board a year ago, offering legal interpretations of what was going on in land title law allover Baja. We had truly
given up in our land battle until he inspired us to continue fighting. So we nomads are all learning about the pitfalls and legalities of Mexican
land titles, finally. Raphael was the first person I have met who would share this info. I know you must find him repulsive, but he has helped
people like us who were being victimized and didn't have the legal knowledge to know what step to take next. Information can be used for good or
evil, we were lucky to be on the good side. Sorry for the loss of your Baja home and so much more you must have lost along the way.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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