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durrelllrobert
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Racial intolerance?
If you wantta be tolerated it appears that you need to be proud and put "American after your race as in Afreakan - American. So from now on I wantta
be known as a Slovenian-American. Some of the other folks can be:
Gay-American
BiSexual- American
Transvestite-American
etc.....
IMHO the only folks really entitled to be a -American are the Native-Americans.
Bob Durrell
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Uh, which ones?
The first ones?
The second wave that walked over the land bridge and killed the first indigenous?
Or the third wave that brutalized the second wave?
We need to list the slaughtering conquerors chronologically in order to fully appreciate their efforts.
Like many of the early Baja California indigenous, who lived under piles of brush, went around naked, had no intertribal trading, and spent a lot of
their time painting on cave walls in the seventeenth century images that were far inferior to those of Cro Magnon man 10,000 years ago.
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Bajahowodd
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So much of the "behavior" that Dennis complains about is strictly for entertainment purposes and to make money. Period. |
Complain? I couldn't care less what these freaks do.
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As for those who consider Jane Fonda a traitor, just think about the fact that she risked a lucrative career to call out the absolute folly of the US
being involved in a civil war of a foreign nation.
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What the b-tchwoman did was give aid an comfort to those who were killing US soldiers, my friends.
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Of course that is not ok with me. But the bigger picture was that we should not have been there in the first place. It was a civil war in a foreign
country. Even the French wised up to that fact and left.
We Americans were still so uptight about the fact that communism was supposedly going to engulf the world, that it was so easy for those who stood to
enrich themselves by our involvement that they played the American people.
Sound familiar? Think Iraq.
That said, I will not ever downplay the awful consequences that our troops encountered. I thank them for their sacrifice. And that includes you
Dennis.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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The issues in Vietnam were complicated beyond belief. I finally got my head screwed on straight after 5 hairdressers in Stockton lectured me for two
hours. I got my hair cut while waiting for a Harbor Freight Store to open.
All 5 were elderly. All 5 were middle lower class Vietnamese.
Before getting all wound-up about this I would suggest a person talk to an ordinary immigrant. Little Saigon, near Long Beach would be a good starting
point.
I am not defending the insane decision of USA administrations to get involved. But as a combat veteran, when I read stuff that is pure H.S. I tend to
bristle. Ho Chi Minh's army head, Vo Nguyen Giap, was a brutal zealot who authorized terrorism against hamlet and province leaders, and ordinary
citizens. I was unlucky enough to see the effects of some of his policies. They gave me nightmares.
Unlike France, the USA was not interested in Colonialism. Try as I might I cannot forgive LBJ for running down to his White House Situation Room in
the basement, in his pajamas and circling bomb targets. When someone high in the Defense Dept raised an issue about the viability of defeating the
Viet Cong and NVA, he unzipped his pants and flopped his -------- onto a table and quipped "Only a person who has these can make this type of
decision".
As a kid, I never saw or read any of the behind the scenes revelations, but the uncovering of the facts turned me cold decades ago.
College kids who dressed in Che Guevara tee shirts, carried VC flags and threw blood on returning military personnel were too stupid to realize that
in a communist society they themselves would be the very first to go to a re-education camp or get a bullet in the back of the head.
I keep in mind that flush with "victory" the NVA turned on the ethnic Chinese in Cholon, and when the Chinese sent massed forces across the border
several thousand more Vietnamese died.
I have a care about making sweeping statements about Vietnam. Almost all are products of a figment of the imagination and few are objective.
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Lee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
The issues in Vietnam were complicated beyond belief. I finally got my head screwed on straight after 5 hairdressers in Stockton lectured me for two
hours. I got my hair cut while waiting for a Harbor Freight Store to open.
All 5 were elderly. All 5 were middle lower class Vietnamese.
Before getting all wound-up about this I would suggest a person talk to an ordinary immigrant. Little Saigon, near Long Beach would be a good starting
point.
I am not defending the insane decision of USA administrations to get involved. But as a combat veteran, when I read stuff that is pure H.S. I tend to
bristle. Ho Chi Minh's army head, Vo Nguyen Giap, was a brutal zealot who authorized terrorism against hamlet and province leaders, and ordinary
citizens. I was unlucky enough to see the effects of some of his policies. They gave me nightmares.
Unlike France, the USA was not interested in Colonialism. Try as I might I cannot forgive LBJ for running down to his White House Situation Room in
the basement, in his pajamas and circling bomb targets. When someone high in the Defense Dept raised an issue about the viability of defeating the
Viet Cong and NVA, he unzipped his pants and flopped his -------- onto a table and quipped "Only a person who has these can make this type of
decision".
As a kid, I never saw or read any of the behind the scenes revelations, but the uncovering of the facts turned me cold decades ago.
College kids who dressed in Che Guevara tee shirts, carried VC flags and threw blood on returning military personnel were too stupid to realize that
in a communist society they themselves would be the very first to go to a re-education camp or get a bullet in the back of the head.
I keep in mind that flush with "victory" the NVA turned on the ethnic Chinese in Cholon, and when the Chinese sent massed forces across the border
several thousand more Vietnamese died.
I have a care about making sweeping statements about Vietnam. Almost all are products of a figment of the imagination and few are objective.
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Is there a reason you're giving a political viewpoint on Vietnam 101 at length? Are you showing off?
The more I hear people blame Jane Fonda about her embarrassment, the more I think she get's my forgiveness and if you didn't see combat, save your
meaningless patriotism for a parade. Get over yourself! Judge yourself!
I have a Che t-shirt. Is that a problem?
Wonder how many Marines I served with were gay? Didn't know any personally.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Been there done that. You probably served with a similar percentage of marines as I did on the Bassac with the USN.
What I BLAME Jane Fonda for is for not simply making a clear, vigorous, and continuous statement about the war, she had to go to Hanoi and act the
part of a fool and then cash that in on her celebrate status.
You have the right to wear an Idi Amin dada, shirt if you wish. You earned it. Myself I would hesitate promoting the legacy of an individual so inept
Fidel and Raul booted him out of Cuba before he could wreck the economy even more. The indigenous in Bolivia utterly rejected Che Guevara.
But yeah, I read and and I study. That's my bag. When I was sweating and swatting mosquitoes I and everyone else around me knew nothing about where we
were and what was going on around us.
Biut bragadoccio? I think not. Impatience with people who make brash statements with little or no understanding of what they are pontificating. I got
to see first hand what the "People's Movement" did to innocent civilians on a wholesale basis. Stuff like that is not easily forgotten. Forgive me.
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