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| Quote: | Originally posted by paranewbi
Cmon McFez....there was an appropriate wake and memorial held in the first handful of postings for our dearly departed Skeet! (and perhaps a much more
better sendoff than I will receive when it is my time to pass on).
Then as usual the thread veered into some personal exhanges and eventually into the obligatory choice of either political, religious, sexual innuendo,
booze, David K, Toyota v. Ford, Chevy, VW, dirt, asphalt, mileage left on unpaved part of Gonzaga trail, destruction of Baja's hidden secrets, who
caught the latest biggest fish hidden in a supposed informative offering of updating the conditions for those who are following behind with their
latest fish kill equipment or recipe (I have some McFez bate festering in my garage right now!), and of course the never to missed pointing out by
someone who actually remembers...were this all started.
Now can we move on into the morphed thread of 'how many ways does a thread veer from it's point of origin'?
Because Inevitably someone will find my list lacking somewhere. |
What are you smoking paranewbi?
carpe diem!
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Tried to share it already Ken...
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Tried to share it already Ken...
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I want some!!!!
carpe diem!
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first off...buenos dias amigos...I have been following this most enlightening thread off and on as time permits. I wasnt going to comment..just sit
back and listen and learn. However my name was raised a couple of times and I'm not sure if I am one of the loosey gooseys...I'm not even sure which
"side" I'm on. I dont know if my faith constitutes being an athiest, agnostic or what. I cant bring myself to have faith in the word "God" yet I have
faith that there is something out there protecting, gently directing and helping me exist and make the right moves. I follow my "inner voice" wherever
that comes from and it has saved my life a few times now which strengthens my faith in "IT". I know this sounds pretty ridiculous and yup...loosey
goosey..but it's my faith.
What I know is that I have a difficult time explaining my personal faith to others and so generally I choose not to. I too had a near death experience
that has formed my present belief system. At the time, I looked to the heavens and asked myself if it was God who was speaking to me and had saved me
and I came to the conclusion it wasnt.
My faith does involve a belief in a higher "power" of which I honestly dont know what it is...beings in a parallel universe? some beings resembling
angels? other species who have the cosmic ability to save lives? maybe beings from stars? whatever "they" are, they seem to do it without the need for
us to devote our lives to them, read their books, go to their church...they save you and disappear into the woodwork again. It is like they perform a
favour...perhaps fulfilling some karmic debt by saving our butts. Why "they" do it is a great mystery but I'm happy to have them on my team.
Oh my word...I cant believe I just wrote all that. It just doesnt make sense...but what is sense anyway?
thank you brother and sister Nomads for this fascinating thread and the civility of it...over and out.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
My faith does involve a belief in a higher "power" of which I honestly dont know what it is...beings in a parallel universe? some beings resembling
angels? other species who have the cosmic ability to save lives? maybe beings from stars? whatever "they" are, they seem to do it without the need for
us to devote our lives to them, read their books, go to their church...they save you and disappear into the woodwork again. It is like they perform a
favour...perhaps fulfilling some karmic debt by saving our butts. Why "they" do it is a great mystery but I'm happy to have them on my team.
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Buen dicho sis. How about just the natural world? Que mas quieres?
carpe diem!
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Nice post Shari! Thanks for sharing!
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thank YOU too...while I've never been accused of being eloquent....I calls it like I sees it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
thank YOU too...while I've never been accused of being eloquent....I calls it like I sees it. |
To me, "eloquent" is the art of communications---------your a star in that category, Shari, believe me!!!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
first off...buenos dias amigos...I have been following this most enlightening thread off and on as time permits. I wasnt going to comment..just sit
back and listen and learn. However my name was raised a couple of times and I'm not sure if I am one of the loosey gooseys...I'm not even sure which
"side" I'm on. I dont know if my faith constitutes being an athiest, agnostic or what. I cant bring myself to have faith in the word "God" yet I have
faith that there is something out there protecting, gently directing and helping me exist and make the right moves. I follow my "inner voice" wherever
that comes from and it has saved my life a few times now which strengthens my faith in "IT". I know this sounds pretty ridiculous and yup...loosey
goosey..but it's my faith.
What I know is that I have a difficult time explaining my personal faith to others and so generally I choose not to. I too had a near death experience
that has formed my present belief system. At the time, I looked to the heavens and asked myself if it was God who was speaking to me and had saved me
and I came to the conclusion it wasnt.
My faith does involve a belief in a higher "power" of which I honestly dont know what it is...beings in a parallel universe? some beings resembling
angels? other species who have the cosmic ability to save lives? maybe beings from stars? whatever "they" are, they seem to do it without the need for
us to devote our lives to them, read their books, go to their church...they save you and disappear into the woodwork again. It is like they perform a
favour...perhaps fulfilling some karmic debt by saving our butts. Why "they" do it is a great mystery but I'm happy to have them on my team.
Oh my word...I cant believe I just wrote all that. It just doesnt make sense...but what is sense anyway?
thank you brother and sister Nomads for this fascinating thread and the civility of it...over and out. |
Yours is this sort of experience that helps me to keep an open mind. It is hard to language experiences like you have had. We have a need to language
our experiences and ones like you have had are very difficult to get our heads around in part because our language are inadequate to describe them.
Allen Watts once said "If you see the beatific image (the face of god) in an ashtray for god's sake don't tell anyone!" He was pointing at the issue
you so clearly raise, how do you describe something that you can't clearly get your head around but know to exist? Mystics often sound at least obtuse
and sometimes crazy as they attempt to tell us of their experience with these matters. In my view it takes courage to tell these stories of our
experiences.
I was once visited by my dead father, in a dream, as real and compelling as a kiss on my lips. He rolled up to me on a skateboard, baseball cap askew
and a smile on his face. I was a bit startled and ask "why did you come like this?", his immediate response didn't miss a beat "It was the only way I
thought I could get your attention. I wanted to tell you that I am alright, don't worry have fun", he smiled a big self satisfied grin and rolled off.
He always did have a great sense of humor. Where that experience came from I have no idea, a parallel universe, heaven, my hypothalamus, was he
reincarnated, was this my mind, which I suspect, playing tricks, helping me to reassure myself that death is ok and that my father loved me enough to
come back and play/reassure me? Some would say I was visited by god/angels/spirit/ghost or reincarnated being. Who knows? If there is indeed
reincarnation, and the level that one returns on is based upon some virtue from a prior life, then I must have been a Mother Theresa for sure cause
life is very good.
By the way, I love how this thread has morphed as great as a great conversation does.
Iflyfishconminomadamigos
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Look what showed up on Facebook today!! It's a miracle!!
carpe diem!
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Ken,
Well, you tried. And you went about it the right way. If there's anyway to convince them it's probably using quotes from the bible itself.
[Edited on 6-12-2012 by Skipjack Joe]
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Zen parable:
"Truth has nothing to do with words. Truth can be likened to the bright moon in the sky. Words, in this case, can be likened to a finger. The finger
can point to the moon's location. However, the finger is not the moon. To look at the moon, it is necessary to gaze beyond the finger, right?"
Here is Alan Watts giving his lecture on Fingers Pointing at the Moon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEKwJjeSQXk&feature=playe...
Here is a demonstration of Fingers Pointing at the Moon by Bruce Lee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDW6vkuqGLg&feature=relat...
My brother quotes Lau Tsu on the matter.
Lau Tsu
From verse 32
The way is for ever nameless….. As soon as there are names
One ought to know that it is time to stop…..
The way is to the world as the River and the Sea are to rivulets and streams.
I guess sometimes words just fail! Finally got to this point on Tues, Wow!
Iflyfish
[Edited on 6-12-2012 by Iflyfish]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Ken,
Well, you tried. And you went about it the right way. If there's anyway to convince them it's probably using quotes from the bible itself.
[Edited on 6-12-2012 by Skipjack Joe] |
Except that paranewbi told me I couldn't do that . He could quote from the bible
but I couldn't. Not fair.
carpe diem!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
no christian believes in any of this these days. Are you saying that the only true christians are the ones who accept literally everything that's
written in that book? |
Our parish priest taught us in Catechism class that the Bible is a story book filled with legends and parables (sort of like a historical novel) and
not a history book. I guess some on this thread would call him a heretic.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
Zen parable:
"Truth has nothing to do with words. Truth can be likened to the bright moon in the sky. Words, in this case, can be likened to a finger. The finger
can point to the moon's location. However, the finger is not the moon. To look at the moon, it is necessary to gaze beyond the finger, right?"
Here is Alan Watts giving his lecture on Fingers Pointing at the Moon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEKwJjeSQXk&feature=playe...
Here is a demonstration of Fingers Pointing at the Moon by Bruce Lee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDW6vkuqGLg&feature=relat...
My brother quotes Lau Tsu on the matter.
Lau Tsu
From verse 32
The way is for ever nameless….. As soon as there are names
One ought to know that it is time to stop…..
The way is to the world as the River and the Sea are to rivulets and streams.
I guess sometimes words just fail! Finally got to this point on Tues, Wow!
Iflyfish
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I have to admit I have an almost visceral revulsion to this form of knowledge. When I read the sort of stuff Watts writes I feel I'm being duped. I
guess that's why psychology has always been a suspectful science to me.
All of this reminds me of Plato's allegory of the Caves. As you know the story goes that men are chained to the walls and only see the shadows of the
world on the wall. From that they deduce reality.
Taking this further we come to the view that all of our modern evaluations of truth by tests and quantifications are the wrong way to go about it. All
we need to do is face reality and somehow it will be perceived naturally.
Unfortunately our civilization stands on the shoulders of men who 'study the shadows'. Our progress is due precisely because we chose to NOT look at
the moon. It's the people who don't look at the moon that come up with cures for cancer and the internet.
Instead of looking at the moon and sensing it's reality the person examining the finger learns with his painstaking method of studying shadows, he
learns the laws of motion and flies to the moon.
It is precisely because Western civilization has decided to gain knowledge by not looking at the moon that it has advanced so far and so fast past the
older civilzation. Starting with the Renaissance.
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See, I'm on your side now, Ken.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
Our parish priest taught us in Catechism class that the Bible is a story book filled with legends and parables (sort of like a historical novel) and
not a history book. I guess some on this thread would call him a heretic. |
As I mentioned earlier of my seven years in Catholic Hell, I can not remember one mention of the Bible. All references were to the Baltimore
Catechism..... the workbook specifically designed to warp young minds with the proper mixture of fear and reward.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Ken,
Well, you tried. And you went about it the right way. If there's anyway to convince them it's probably using quotes from the bible itself.
[Edited on 6-12-2012 by Skipjack Joe] |
Except that paranewbi told me I couldn't do that . He could quote from the bible
but I couldn't. Not fair. |
yawn....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
Zen parable:
"Truth has nothing to do with words. Truth can be likened to the bright moon in the sky. Words, in this case, can be likened to a finger. The finger
can point to the moon's location. However, the finger is not the moon. To look at the moon, it is necessary to gaze beyond the finger, right?"
Here is Alan Watts giving his lecture on Fingers Pointing at the Moon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEKwJjeSQXk&feature=playe...
Here is a demonstration of Fingers Pointing at the Moon by Bruce Lee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDW6vkuqGLg&feature=relat...
My brother quotes Lau Tsu on the matter.
Lau Tsu
From verse 32
The way is for ever nameless….. As soon as there are names
One ought to know that it is time to stop…..
The way is to the world as the River and the Sea are to rivulets and streams.
I guess sometimes words just fail! Finally got to this point on Tues, Wow!
Iflyfish
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I have to admit I have an almost visceral revulsion to this form of knowledge. When I read the sort of stuff Watts writes I feel I'm being duped. I
guess that's why psychology has always been a suspectful science to me.
All of this reminds me of Plato's allegory of the Caves. As you know the story goes that men are chained to the walls and only see the shadows of the
world on the wall. From that they deduce reality.
Taking this further we come to the view that all of our modern evaluations of truth by tests and quantifications are the wrong way to go about it. All
we need to do is face reality and somehow it will be perceived naturally.
Unfortunately our civilization stands on the shoulders of men who 'study the shadows'. Our progress is due precisely because we chose to NOT look at
the moon. It's the people who don't look at the moon that come up with cures for cancer and the internet.
Instead of looking at the moon and sensing it's reality the person examining the finger learns with his painstaking method of studying shadows, he
learns the laws of motion and flies to the moon.
It is precisely because Western civilization has decided to gain knowledge by not looking at the moon that it has advanced so far and so fast past the
older civilzation. Starting with the Renaissance.
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LIKE!!!!
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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