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I somehow doubt the natives volunteered their labor in order to gain entry to the Christian heaven. Perhaps it was the generous wages offered by the
kindly Padres?
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David K
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If you read, you can learn.
My book gives a slightly-condensed history in order to talk about all 27 missions with their who, what, when, where, and why (plus how) data. For
those who want to dig deeper, I provide a very complete reference list. See my pages 217 to 220.
I also show the covers of my book collection (see History Books) on this page: https://vivabaja.com/baja-books/
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Ken Cooke
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Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | Ken, it has become a popular idea that the Natives were enslaved and beaten by the padres and soldiers. Evidence (documentation) however is not so
convincing. The Pericú Revolt was not a result of that, either. It is also not totally enlightening to judge activities in the 1700s by today's
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My Great Grandfather was enslaved most of his life. My Father (RIP) interviewed him and used their documented conversations for interactive
discussions at Churches, Community Centers, and Schools. So, you feel it is not enlightening to judge activities in the 1700s by today's standards?
North Carolina Republican Gubernatorial candidate Mark Robinson actually approaches slavery through a similar lens. Your opinion is completely
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Ken, I am not expressing an opinion. I am sharing the fact that there is no documentation or evidence of that in Baja California, especially during
the Jesuit period before Spain's takeover, which was well documented. This thread is about a TV show and off-roaders visiting some sites in the
southern half of the peninsula. It is not a historic discussion of slavery. My opinion is slavery is wrong and should be ended everywhere, like the
events of the 1860s that ended it. |
Dk,
The church waged cultural genocide on the natives. And in many cases enslaved or indentured natives. Tourist visitors to the missions should know the
whole truth. |
I watched the 2023 Trail of Missions last Friday evening between SCORE Baja 1000 live footage transmissions and I found the video very entertaining
and well-produced. But the brief narration about the origins of Misión San Borja were cheerful at best, and historically illiterate (on the part of
caretaker 'Angel') at worst. Otherwise, it was ab-tchen stoke of a show.
Next on my list of viewing will be the 2024 edition of 'Trail of Missions'.
[Edited on 11-19-2024 by Ken Cooke]
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David K
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Hi Ken, they are meant to show fun, indeed... maybe to entice new visitors to see these grand artifacts. Not so much to teach history.
The 2024 episode is more of a Can Am ad than a mission trip. The Rip to Cabo TV show was on a day or two ago. It was well done.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and the Mrs!
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I will take a look at both programs. I'm not celebrating No-Thanksgiving 2024. But I will have a nice rest of the month, Christmas and soon after
15th Anniversary with Leidys 2 days later. Time flies!
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| Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke | | I will take a look at both programs. I'm not celebrating No-Thanksgiving 2024. But I will have a nice rest of the month, Christmas and soon after
15th Anniversary with Leidys 2 days later. Time flies! |
Indeed!
Who can forget when you took her to Shell Island for the first time?
Your efforts to make her a great Columbian/ French-pressed coffee on the camp stove were commendable!
Beach Campfire times are always great...
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