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Lee
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Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  | | People who ran got shot, people who didn't weren't shot, so I guess if you run they are convinced you were the ones they were looking for. No more
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Who were stopped and didn't get shot? Must be more story I haven't read.
In the story I read, banditos wanted a Baja chase truck. Think the Marine shot was targeted. He wasn't running.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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PaulW
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The Marine was targeted because he was the driver
Stop or run -- What a choice.
On the middle of the night I would run
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Tioloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee | | Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | People who ran got shot, people who didn't weren't shot, so I guess if you run they are convinced you were the ones they were looking for. No more
questions asked. |
Who were stopped and didn't get shot? Must be more story I haven't read.
In the story I read, banditos wanted a Baja chase truck. Think the Marine shot was targeted. He wasn't running. |
A previous incident a year or 2 ago in same area (Valle de Trinidad) where bandidos took truck, trailer and utv after holding them up at gunpoint.
Is a lose/lose situation either way whether you stop or run. Often, check points are set up by legitimate officers but use unmarked vehicles. I have
come across several of these in northern Baja and Sonora. At some point, the government must get serious about more patrols and put a stop to this
craziness.
In this particular instance this time, the victims chose to run. They narrowly escaped without being physically injured but their vehicle has several
bullet holes. Could have turned out worse in any scenario you run thru your head on this one.
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JDCanuck
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Lee: Not this particular case, but others reported earlier in the thread that were stopped. And yes, I have been stopped at unmarked checkpoints where
there were no National Guard or other State vehicles or uniforms present. Were they legitimate or not? In each case, I did stop and they just waved me
through after a brief look at the vehicle.
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Lee
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | Lee: Not this particular case, but others reported earlier in the thread that were stopped. And yes, I have been stopped at unmarked checkpoints where
there were no National Guard or other State vehicles or uniforms present. Were they legitimate or not? In each case, I did stop and they just waved me
through after a brief look at the vehicle. |
I've been stopped an a non-military immigration checkpoint S. of Camalu long ago and in a lifetime of Baja travel, that's been it. In daylight, I
would recognize a military checkpoint vs. one with banditos. Guess there are non-military checkpoints that look like the real thing but I haven't
seen them.
I do look for the latter and prepared not to stop. Also have a flare device within easy reach I would use in case of an emergency. I don't mean
to signal an emergency.
In the case of the Baja chase truck, I believe stopping would have been a big mistake.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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wilderone
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Your travel decisions and "what ifs" can be better evaluated once the risks are known. There were I think three separate incidents on 10/6/24 in that
area, with 6 people dead. Not sure if the dead are the bad guys or innocent victims. Injured include women and a teenager. This area has been violent
for a while - the perpetrators aren't going away. Sure, plenty of traffic on Mex. 3 - not everyone becomes a victim. Legit checkpoints in the area,
but how effective? Eliminate the risk.
"4 men shot dead in Trinidad Valley- October 6, 2024 Around 12:00 hours, this Sunday it was reported through C4 that, elements of the National Guard
located a pickup type vehicle, at kilometer 108 of the Ensenada-San Felipe road, a few meters from the terrace in the delegation of the Valley of
Trinidad. Inside the vehicle were found four male people, with gunshot wounds, who were not responding to the call. As a result, notice was given to
the State Prosecutor General's Office to those who have the responsibility to carry out the relevant investigation.
There are 6 people dead after the shootings registered in the Trinidad Valley and there are more than 10 people injured more information developing."
October 6, 2024 At least three dead and one injured is the result of another armed confrontation, this time in the area of Laguna de Hanson, in the
Sierra de Juarez, between criminals and Army personnel. Unofficial data obtained by Patrulla 646 They indicate that around noon a group of suspected
criminals possibly involved in a series of armed confrontations in the Trinidad Valley encountered Army personnel. In the process there was a
confrontation with military personnel and three of the criminals were shot down, one was injured.
Apparently the group that faced the militia, form part of those who starred between the dawn and the morning of this Sunday October 6 a series of
shootings in the Trinidad Valley and were looking to cross the gaps heading to the Rumorosa by roads from the Juarez Sierra. On the way, they ran
into military men. Since the confrontations began, restrictions and checkpoints were placed in various gaps and roads in La Calentura, Sierra de
Juarez and heading to San Felipe."
"Shooting leaves one dead and 8 injured in the Trinidad Valley
The Municipal Public Safety Directorate reports that, through the C4 emergency system, a report of firearm detonations was received in the village of
Valle de la Trinidad. After verifying the information with the personnel assigned to the area, the veracity of the call was confirmed. In response, a
coordinated operation was implemented with the State Prosecutor General's Office, the Secretariat of National Defense (SEDENA), the State Force and
other security authorities, moving to the scene. Upon arriving at kilometer 118 of the Ensenada-San Felipe highway, two Tahoe-type vehicles were
located, one in black color and one in gold, both with firearm shocks.
Later on the Ensenada-San Felipe highway, at km 119, a male person was seen, who did not respond to the call, so the support of paramedics was
requested who determined that he lacked vital signs, so he coordinated the area.
Subsequently to the delegation of the Valley of Trinidad, a minor of 17 years old arrived, injured by skirting from, apparently, gunfire, which was
transferred by his own means to a nosocomium.
Also, support was provided to emergency units to transfer three injured male people, presumed by gunshot strikes, to a hospital in Ensenada for
medical care.
In addition, three other female people were admitted to the hospital are recorded, who were also treated for possible injuries related to the
incident. It can be reported that at the last moment he arrived at the Trinidad Valley delegation, a male injured by allegedly shooting a firearm,
himself being evaluated by paramedics.
The Municipal Public Safety Directorate, in coordination with other authorities, maintains presence in the area to ensure safety."
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Tioloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by wilderone | Your travel decisions and "what ifs" can be better evaluated once the risks are known. There were I think three separate incidents on 10/6/24 in that
area, with 6 people dead. Not sure if the dead are the bad guys or innocent victims. Injured include women and a teenager. This area has been violent
for a while - the perpetrators aren't going away. Sure, plenty of traffic on Mex. 3 - not everyone becomes a victim. Legit checkpoints in the area,
but how effective? Eliminate the risk.
"4 men shot dead in Trinidad Valley- October 6, 2024 Around 12:00 hours, this Sunday it was reported through C4 that, elements of the National Guard
located a pickup type vehicle, at kilometer 108 of the Ensenada-San Felipe road, a few meters from the terrace in the delegation of the Valley of
Trinidad. Inside the vehicle were found four male people, with gunshot wounds, who were not responding to the call. As a result, notice was given to
the State Prosecutor General's Office to those who have the responsibility to carry out the relevant investigation.
There are 6 people dead after the shootings registered in the Trinidad Valley and there are more than 10 people injured more information developing."
October 6, 2024 At least three dead and one injured is the result of another armed confrontation, this time in the area of Laguna de Hanson, in the
Sierra de Juarez, between criminals and Army personnel. Unofficial data obtained by Patrulla 646 They indicate that around noon a group of suspected
criminals possibly involved in a series of armed confrontations in the Trinidad Valley encountered Army personnel. In the process there was a
confrontation with military personnel and three of the criminals were shot down, one was injured.
Apparently the group that faced the militia, form part of those who starred between the dawn and the morning of this Sunday October 6 a series of
shootings in the Trinidad Valley and were looking to cross the gaps heading to the Rumorosa by roads from the Juarez Sierra. On the way, they ran
into military men. Since the confrontations began, restrictions and checkpoints were placed in various gaps and roads in La Calentura, Sierra de
Juarez and heading to San Felipe."
"Shooting leaves one dead and 8 injured in the Trinidad Valley
The Municipal Public Safety Directorate reports that, through the C4 emergency system, a report of firearm detonations was received in the village of
Valle de la Trinidad. After verifying the information with the personnel assigned to the area, the veracity of the call was confirmed. In response, a
coordinated operation was implemented with the State Prosecutor General's Office, the Secretariat of National Defense (SEDENA), the State Force and
other security authorities, moving to the scene. Upon arriving at kilometer 118 of the Ensenada-San Felipe highway, two Tahoe-type vehicles were
located, one in black color and one in gold, both with firearm shocks.
Later on the Ensenada-San Felipe highway, at km 119, a male person was seen, who did not respond to the call, so the support of paramedics was
requested who determined that he lacked vital signs, so he coordinated the area.
Subsequently to the delegation of the Valley of Trinidad, a minor of 17 years old arrived, injured by skirting from, apparently, gunfire, which was
transferred by his own means to a nosocomium.
Also, support was provided to emergency units to transfer three injured male people, presumed by gunshot strikes, to a hospital in Ensenada for
medical care.
In addition, three other female people were admitted to the hospital are recorded, who were also treated for possible injuries related to the
incident. It can be reported that at the last moment he arrived at the Trinidad Valley delegation, a male injured by allegedly shooting a firearm,
himself being evaluated by paramedics.
The Municipal Public Safety Directorate, in coordination with other authorities, maintains presence in the area to ensure safety."
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Seems like that area (Hwy 3) has been a dangerous hotbed of activity lately. Bummer for Mikes Sky Ranch and Laguna Hanson and all the other areas
nearby.
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Ken Cooke
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Drone support?
Probably the only way around this dangerous, new phenomenon will involve traveling with a drone/spotter. If anyone has watched, "The Story Til Now"
on YouTube, you are already familiar with their drone utilization while driving in the Canadian backcountry. Its a lot of trouble adding this extra
step, and on areas with long straightaways, this would not work. But it is an idea, at least.
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Doug/Vamonos
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I've always done the scenario through my head as I drive. What would I do. I can tell you I chickened out last year. I departed LA Bay at 3am driving
north. It was summer time and sun usually pops up by 5:30. Well...by 4:45 or so I was north of Gonzaga on the lonely highway and still dark. I turn
the corner and see police lights in the distance. I keep driving. As I approach I see a man standing in the middle of the road with one arm behind his
back. Crap! Can't really turn around cuz of the surrounding hills along the highway. I slow and approach him. It's a policia from San Felipe. Says he
was helping a driver and his truck got stuck on the embankment. Said the 4x4 would not engage and would I pull him out. I did. He said thanks. I asked
did he know how intimidating it was to encounter him in the dark, on a remote stretch of highway, with one arm behind his back. Like...what was I
supposed to think? He said sorry. Anyways, you don't know how you will react till it happens to you.
[Edited on 11-30-2024 by Doug/Vamonos]
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Lee
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True for you. Absolutely not true for me. I will never be in a situation you describe in the dark -- because I don't drive in the dark.
IF I ever see a bogus checkpoint, pretty sure I"ll spot one, I'm not going through it.
IF I see a woman standing along side of a road, hood up on her car, gas can in her hand, I'll wave as I drive by. I absolutely know one thing:
I'm not stopping.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke | | Probably the only way around this dangerous, new phenomenon will involve traveling with a drone/spotter. If anyone has watched, "The Story Til Now"
on YouTube, you are already familiar with their drone utilization while driving in the Canadian backcountry. Its a lot of trouble adding this extra
step, and on areas with long straightaways, this would not work. But it is an idea, at least. |
Would your drone carry missiles or just a video camera? Sounds like a complicated way to travel…. What do you do if you spot something with drone?
Turn around or speed up?
Another idea: bring body guards. Nomad JZ says he travels baja with body guards - maybe he will reply and tell us all where he hires his gunmen.
Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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Tioloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by Doug/Vamonos | I've always done the scenario through my head as I drive. What would I do. I can tell you I chickened out last year. I departed LA Bay at 3am driving
north. It was summer time and sun usually pops up by 5:30. Well...by 4:45 or so I was north of Gonzaga on the lonely highway and still dark. I turn
the corner and see police lights in the distance. I keep driving. As I approach I see a man standing in the middle of the road with one arm behind his
back. Crap! Can't really turn around cuz of the surrounding hills along the highway. I slow and approach him. It's a policia from San Felipe. Says he
was helping a driver and his truck got stuck on the embankment. Said the 4x4 would not engage and would I pull him out. I did. He said thanks. I asked
did he know how intimidating it was to encounter him in the dark, on a remote stretch of highway, with one arm behind his back. Like...what was I
supposed to think? He said sorry. Anyways, you don't know how you will react till it happens to you.
[Edited on 11-30-2024 by Doug/Vamonos] |
I have made it a habit to not leave before sunrise the last few years. One thing about it is for sure. A late afternoon breakdown in middle of nowhere
will have you in a potentially dangerous position. A lot can happen that is out of our control and/or not in the plans.
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
Would your drone carry missiles or just a video camera? Sounds like a complicated way to travel…. What do you do if you spot something with drone?
Turn around or speed up?
Another idea: bring body guards. Nomad JZ says he travels baja with body guards - maybe he will reply and tell us all where he hires his gunmen.
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