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One tyrant to another?
In reality, the ever so fragile ego based orange one can be disposed of at a whim, and a very simple one at that.
Beware of false idols has rarely been so obvious.
Relying upon the king of bankruptcy for our nations economic survival?
I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn that you would find interesting to buy.
The issue of fentanyl has been clearly identified as China sourced.
Where has the outrage been? China receives 10% tariff?
Mex and Canada 25%?
Try and justify that right-wing American idiocy. Please do try.
Oh boy. Here to comes.
Happy Sunday to all Nomads, irrespective of whatever spectrum one prefers.
"Why can't all get along' from a kid on the streets of LA has resonated with me since the riots in the 90's.
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I wish I could say past tariffs have created positive results. The computer chips tariff of late 1990's pushed IBM, Dell, Apple and Texas Instruments
computer manufacturing to China. Steel tariffs that hit somewhat after that eventually pushed global steel giants and ship builders out of the US into
Asia. US Steel is a fraction of what it used to be and increasingly non competitive. Remember when GE, Westinghouse Whirlpool and Maytag used to be
mighty companies actually built from parts made in the US? Will this time be different? We will have to wait for ten years to see.
[Edited on 2-2-2025 by JDCanuck]
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Tioloco
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Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  | | Steel tariffs that hit somewhat after that eventually pushed global steel giants out of the US into Asia. US Steel is a fraction of what it used to be
and increasingly non competitive. Will this time be different? We will have to wait for ten years to see. |
A bit oversimplified. Union contracts/labor prices have been biggest contributor to offshoring to Asia.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco | | Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | Steel tariffs that hit somewhat after that eventually pushed global steel giants out of the US into Asia. US Steel is a fraction of what it used to be
and increasingly non competitive. Will this time be different? We will have to wait for ten years to see. |
A bit oversimplified. Union contracts/labor prices have been biggest contributor to offshoring to Asia. |
Well, then as now, it was the Unions that were the primary people demanding the protectionist tariffs for their benefit.
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ligui
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Hi guys !
Time to have this conversation ended. This might go to far into politics.
This forum is about the enjoyment of traveling in Baja !
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Do you think the kids knew they were taking Fentanyl?
What if it happened to your kid? Or someone in your family? Would you be so smug??
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Sheinbaum responds on X. Anyone translate?
https://x.com/Claudiashein/status/1885857655094415528?ref_sr...
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JZ
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Maybe she should get a hold of the cartels and make Mexico and Baja safe for all?
Is that too much to ask?
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Google translate, unedited:
"We categorically reject the slander that the White House is making against the Mexican government of having alliances with criminal organizations, as
well as any intention of intervention in our territory.
If such an alliance exists anywhere, it is in the armories of the United States that sell high-powered weapons to these criminal groups, as
demonstrated by the United States Department of Justice itself in January of this year.
Our government has seized more than 40 tons of drugs in four months, including 20 million doses of fentanyl. It has also arrested more than ten
thousand people linked to these groups.
If the United States government and its agencies wanted to address the serious consumption of fentanyl in their country, they can, for example, combat
the sale of narcotics on the streets of their main cities, which they do not do, and the money laundering generated by this illegal activity that has
done so much harm to their population.
They could also start a massive campaign to prevent the consumption of these drugs and take care of their young people, as we have done in Mexico.
Drug use and distribution is in your country and that is a public health problem that you have not addressed. In addition, the synthetic opioid
epidemic in the United States has its origin in the indiscriminate prescription of drugs of this type, authorized by the Food and Drug Administration
(FDA) as demonstrated by the trial against a pharmaceutical company.
Mexico does not want confrontation. We start from collaboration between neighboring countries. Mexico not only does not want fentanyl to reach the
United States, but anywhere. Therefore, if the United States wants to combat criminal groups that traffic drugs and generate violence, we must work
together in an integrated manner, but always under the principles of shared responsibility, mutual trust, collaboration and above all, respect for
sovereignty, which is not negotiable. Coordination yes; subordination, no.
To this end, I propose to President Trump that we establish a working group with our best public health and security teams.
It is not by imposing tariffs that problems are resolved, but by talking and dialoguing as we did in recent weeks with your State Department to
address the phenomenon of migration; in our case, with respect for human rights.
The graph that President Trump has been uploading to his social networks about the decrease in migration was prepared by my team, which has been in
constant communication with his.
I instruct the Secretary of Economy to implement Plan B that we have been working on, which includes tariff and non-tariff measures in defense of
Mexico's interests.
Nothing by force"
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were scornful of any least suggestion of knowing anything not learned at first hand."
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Tioloco
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Anyone who is awake will tell you that the narco corruption has reached all levels of government in Mexico.
Catching 10 tons a month is telling. Imagine the amount getting thru...
Sheinbaum makes it sound like she doesn't have a massive problem with drug consumption in her country. That is extremely absurd to say.
More rhetoric from a Socialist politician who has done nothing to help Mexico. Her leadership is watching over an era of unprecedented violence and
standing by while the tentacles of the cartels are reaching deeper into every corner of the Mexican economy and culture.
It is undeniable that Mexico is a more dangerous place than it was 10 years ago. Sad.
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surabi
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| Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco |
Sheinbaum makes it sound like she doesn't have a massive problem with drug consumption in her country. That is extremely absurd to say.
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What's absurd is your contention that Mexico has a massive drug consumption problem. You see hundreds of strung out drug addicts living on the street
in Mexico, like you do all over the US? You hear about tons of young Mexicans dying of fentanyl overdoses?
It is Americans who drive the drug trade, as well as supplying guns to the cartels.
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Tioloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | | Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco |
Sheinbaum makes it sound like she doesn't have a massive problem with drug consumption in her country. That is extremely absurd to say.
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What's absurd is your contention that Mexico has a massive drug consumption problem. You see hundreds of strung out drug addicts living on the street
in Mexico, like you do all over the US? You hear about tons of young Mexicans dying of fentanyl overdoses?
It is Americans who drive the drug trade, as well as supplying guns to the cartels. |
America definitely has a drug consumption problem. As does Mexico. If you haven't seen homeless and drug addicts in Mexico, I am not sure how to help
you understand this. They are everywhere but there is no media focus because there are bigger issues to tackle like the daily murders all across the
country at the hands of the cartel.
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surabi
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Of course I've seen strung out tweakers in Mexico. They exist everywhere in the world. That doesn't translate to Mexico having a "massive problem with
drug consumption". It doesn't.
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Tioloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | | Of course I've seen strung out tweakers in Mexico. They exist everywhere in the world. That doesn't translate to Mexico having a "massive problem with
drug consumption". It doesn't. |
There are videos posted daily of drugged out cartel members interrogating then decapitating those they deem to be enemies. That is a big drug problem.
It is.
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surabi
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Cartel killing other cartel enemies has nothing to do with the erroneous notion that Mexico has a "massive drug consumption problem".
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lencho
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I don't know about your neck of the woods, but meth is certainly a major problem, in Baja, at least.
"I can normally tell how intelligent a man is, by how stupid he thinks I
am."
"...they were careful of their demeanor that they not be thought to have opinions on what they heard for like most men skilled at their work they
were scornful of any least suggestion of knowing anything not learned at first hand."
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surabi
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As I said, there are drug addicts everywhere. And meth seems to make people crazy and violent. So the crime that results is definitely a problem, but
it doesn't mean there is a huge addiction issue in Mexico.
No, not very prevalent in my neck of the woods and I've actually seen more down and out foreigners stumbling down the street obviously strung out on
something than Mexicans.
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | As I said, there are drug addicts everywhere. And meth seems to make people crazy and violent. So the crime that results is definitely a problem, but
it doesn't mean there is a huge addiction issue in Mexico.
No, not very prevalent in my neck of the woods and I've actually seen more down and out foreigners stumbling down the street obviously strung out on
something than Mexicans. |
This is right. No data out of MX for how addiction is playing out for Mexicans. There IS a massive drug problem around production in MX.
Consumption is a massive US problem.
From what I read, crack has been a problem in MX and fentanyl use is on the rise.
I don't see homeless or addicts between La Paz and Cabo. It's not epidemic yet. MX border towns have a bigger addiction problem. It's not been
documented by MX and data doesn't exist. Don't know a thing about Mainland problems but Surabi does.
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What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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