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[*] posted on 11-22-2005 at 04:13 PM


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Don't be a slave to bureaucratic nonsense ??


No. More like ... it's OK to break the law when it doesn't suit you, son.
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[*] posted on 11-23-2005 at 10:50 AM
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IF there was a concern on the part of Mexican Authorities that Kidnapped Children were being smuggled across the border, you would expect that they would do something to enforce the law and protect those children.

During the period from 1972 to 1989, I took my kids across the border time and time again, often without my wife, crossing at Tijuana, Tecate, Mexicali and not ONCE was I ever stopped and asked for any documentation. The same was true for the Army Checkpoints.

And NOTHING has changed. I still have friends who have minor children who accompany them frequently and they have NEVER been stopped.

So, go ahead and climb up on your High and Mighty perch and lecture, but the reality is that nothing effective is being accomplished.
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[*] posted on 11-23-2005 at 11:15 AM


But the one time they do, it will probably spoil your vacation. I have taken my dog back and forth many times and never been checked but I have the papers in case they do. Its not worth the hassle of the possiblity you might be checked. 10cents



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[*] posted on 11-23-2005 at 01:57 PM


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During the period from 1972 to 1989, I took my kids across the border time and time again, often without my wife, crossing at Tijuana, Tecate, Mexicali and not ONCE was I ever stopped and asked for any documentation. The same was true for the Army Checkpoints.

And NOTHING has changed.


Things have changed since the 70's and 80's. I have been taking Alex down for the last 5 years and (I repeat) we have been stopped G. Negro imigracion by inspectors and asked for that signed and notarized document every single time.

Are they doing the right thing? Absolutely.

I know a guy from Holland whom I met in Peru who was not happy with his custody situation and kidnapped his daughter and moved from country to country avoiding the law. He had figured out the routes to take and airlines to use to avoid detection. It took the mother 4 years to locate the daughter through international police. By that time the child had grown estranged from her and there was no way to rectify the parental absence of those years.

These checkpoints and documents are not meaningless and just a matter of bureaucracy. I know they're not, because I have met people who got their children back through this 'bureaucracy'.

As far as the likelihood of being asked for the document. I only know of two places: the border and the G.N. The militairy checkpoints are looking for drugs - not kidnapped children.

As far as only following laws which are reasonable. Well, that's a slippery slope. I may decide to double my daily quota of sportfish based upon my hunch and lack of law enforcement. I might justify robbing a gringo because his salary is 20 times my salary.

Regardless of how you look at things kidnapping minors is not a trifle matter and the small inconvenience it causes is small price to pay.
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