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jerry
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just couse im nosey cinco what square foot is your place in loreto bay and what is the total finish cost?? monthly or yearly fees?? have a good one
jerry
jerry and judi
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oladulce
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
Oladulce
The conventional block you see in the construction are all inside common walls. They haven't started the adjacent buildings yet. All exterior walls
will indeed be the adobe brick. Live accross the street from the development and am as curious, or more so, then the rest of you.
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Thanks vandenberg-
Now I get it. Good they're utilizing their adobe. It still looks hot in there to me and will be interesting to see how they meet their energy (air
conditioning) needs, and how they plan to fulfill their "produce more energy from renewable resources than we consume" promise. That's a ---load of
solar panels and a heck of a lot of batteries.
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friend of baja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jrbaja
Did you actually purchase something there Friend of Baja? Because it seems from your posts that you do nothing but stick up for the place rather than
give factual info.
I am not complaining, just curious. Therefore, unless you are a buyer, please refrain from voicing your opinions to my questions.
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JR I will come clean, I am a homeowner. I only stick up for the Company when I see comments that are inaccurate or derrogatory to the Company or its
principles including the Principals.
If anyone has honest questions I would be happy to answer them as honestly as I can, but unfortunately,most of the comments are biased and baseless
and don't warrant a response.
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Sallysouth
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Mood: missing Baja...
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Like Skeet has always said, "what about the water??"
Happiness is just a Baja memory away...
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Sharksbaja
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Retrospection
Dear friend of Baja,
I like the info exchange here. The project certainly warrants scutinizing. As discussed so many times are the age old questions of utilities
available to carry it to fruition.
The fact is that a substantial number or solar arrays is obviously necessary unless the plans are/have been augmented with power from the existing
grid.
The fear lies within the ability to provide service free of black-outs and outages for the entire city.
I think in this case the responsibility(for self-sustainability) should lie entirely with the Foundation and guarantees would best be dealt with in a
completion based commitment in which the company would faces fines and penalties where improvements to the infrastructure remain unresolved or
incompleted by set dates.
This would insure and motivate the developers to fulfill and provide adequate utility service preventing local utility responsibility.
My question is: Are there concrete plans in place that are being actualized in regards to the project utility infrastructure. Has ground been
committed and is work progressing on that currently?
Can someone comment on the progress of the water, sewerage and electrification elements and provide some kind of up-to-date info and/or photos?
There are still many people critical of the foundations methadology and quite frankly, don't trust big developers with their ambitious promises.
Evidence of such wouild be of great interest to many and would reassure them of the developments integrity.
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friend of baja
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Sharks, I believe your post to be an honest inquiry into the "sustainable" plans of LBC to provide water, power and treat their sewage. I can only
give you the most recent info that I have and as more becomes available I would be happy to post it here.
WATER:
LBC has now received 6 bids for the construction of their desalination plant and will be making a final selection soon. They have committed to
commence construction within the next year (2006). My understanding is that the desal plant will not extract water directly from the Sea, but instead
will harvest the slightly brackish water that flows constantly underground from the mountains and eventually finds it way into the Sea of Cortez.
This in combination with water harvesting from regeneration of their land reserves will result in a greater supply of potable water than the
development will consume.
ELECTRICITY:
Having completed detailed studies on solar generation, LBC is confident they can produce enough energy to meet the total demand for the development,
however they are not confident they can do it cost effectively...so they have located a site on the Pacific side and are currently completing wind
energy studies. To this end they are confident they can produce 20 megawatts of energy through wind generation for reasonable costs. They estimate
that at full build out the entire development will only use a maximum of 9 megawatts. The residual energy will be added to the existing energy grid
servicing the State of BCS.
A solar demonstration project has begun - solar panels have been delivered.
SEWER:
For those that aren't aware there already exists a primary treatment plant, located between Loreto and Nopolo. Once treated, futher processing will
occur through tertiary treatment and will subsequently be used for iirrigation on the golf course, etc.
I know this doesn't answer all questions but it is the latest that I am aware of.
Latest count for workers onsite is over 600.
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Sharksbaja
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Sour well water? Transpeninsula tranmission lines?
In regards to your statement about the use of underground water I am very curious about this. It has been stated earier that wells were sunk many
years ago in Fonaturs' failed Loreto project. Are these the same wells that will be utilized and if so, why are/were these wells "labeled" as useable
fresh water sources? Particularily since desal was not a viable consideration in that effort.
Could you please clarify exactly what "regeneration" of land reserves means in regards to sustainability?
Is saltwater intrusion typical of all the wells in the Loreto Basin?
Secondly, I think the idea of wind generation through proper design and utilization could add well needed megawatts.
The problem I have with this approach is the huge effort and money needed to tie-in to the project via tranmission cables through the mountains.
That would not be good. Unless the plan is to add to the grid and go around the mountains, in which case the power then becomes available to all.
Sounds pretty grandiose. These technical issues are exactly why folks have second thoughts on LBC' ability to really pull it off. In the U.S. this
would not be allowed.
The utility infrastucture would most certainly have to be developed primary to constuction or at least simultaneously.
Although I feel that most related problems will be dealt with intelligently and timely I also feel that these concerns are at the forefront of
"local" public opinion. To this end it is imperative that the investment and or earnest monies be funneled directly into these avenues.
Considering the scope of the project it would behoove the developers to prioritize and assure their investors (honestly) before a day comes when they
halt further constuction for lack of needed/required services.
These are the same issues that keep surfacing. LBC' continuing PR machine has investors convinced that their project has all the bases covered. IMHO
Iam not so sure.
I realize the depth of these questions and understand that it is very difficult to actually "see" what the engineering status is at any given time.
Your input is appreciated "friend".
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Swatez
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Weird....why go to Baja to live with your friends and neighbors in the US??
Why would people want to sequester themselves into San Diego type condo's when the beaches and the nature of Baja and it's people are so incredible?
It truly seperates the the towns people from the tourists. I guess some folks go there just to relax and party with the lifestyle they are used to.
It's not for me. But for some I guess it's nice.
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comitan
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The units attached to each other but have a Mexican flavor (Old Mexico)
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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jrbaja
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Don start nuttin
and there won't be nuttin!
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rpleger
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friend of Baja..........
?Justt how many of these units are occupied right now?
?And when will the rest be ready?
Richard on the Hill
*ABROAD*, adj. At war with savages and idiots. To be a Frenchman abroad is to
be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
-- Ambrose Bierce, _The Enlarged Devil\'s Dictionary_
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oladulce
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Wow, that's a lot of wind turbines.
They'd need 26 of the huge Tehachapi size (750 kw each) to equal 20 megawatts per day and
2666 turbines of the size we have in San Juanico (7.5 kw each).
The Sandia Lab (US D.O.E.) collected 24 hr wind data for 1 year in San Juanico (directly across the peninsula from Loreto) prior to the installation
of the hybrid power system in town. We contacted them a few years ago when we were looking in to the benefit of adding wind turbines to our solar
system. They kindly shared the data, which gave us an idea of the average daily wind and power we could expect from it. Even tho it seems like there's
always wind in SJ, there wasn't enough in 24 hrs to warrant the investment for us.
It will be interesting to see what they come up with.
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Gypsy Jan
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No answers, just bluster
I don't know what's going on in Loreto, but I do read reasonable questions from interested posters and don't see believable responses from people who
are vested in the development.
If you are interested in my input, don't put your money down until you know exactly what you are buying, and that includes lots of official paper and
stamps (in Spanish, from the local authority).
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness.”
—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
\"Alea iacta est.\"
—Julius Caesar
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tehag
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Loreto Bay
First house is now occupied. Occupants connected to existing water/sewer/electricity for now. As to when they will be on the Loreto Bay system, it is
yet to be determined. As soon as "economies of scale" permit, I presume.
[Edited on 11-28-2005 by tehag]
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jerry
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perhaps i should ask anyone who has purchased a place in loreto bay village what is the cost per sq foot of the homes?? what are the monthly or yearly
fees?? upkeep fees and other expences
is there a limit on there expenses?? will you own the land under your house?? is this being markets simulat to condos?? have a good one jerry
jerry and judi
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eetdrt88
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its kinda been said...
but i'm gonna yell it loud:WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU MOVE TO LORETO TO LIVE IN OARNGE COUNTY STYLE HOUSING???? WTF??? sure the places have some charm
and might be a bit cheaper than actually buying on the coast in oarnge county but isnt part of the reason we all love baja the wide open
spaces,beautiful beaches that are unoccupied by hordes of stressed out yuppies in their over priced condos......if i wanted to live down the street
from the owner of 5 fortune 500 companies chances are i would stay in O.C...  sorry,but i dont get it
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by eetdrt88
but i'm gonna yell it loud:WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU MOVE TO LORETO TO LIVE IN OARNGE COUNTY STYLE HOUSING???? WTF??? |
Have you priced comparable homes in OC?
That's why. 
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eetdrt88
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so the prices are so much cheaper...
that water,power,and sewage problems dont even matter...uhhh,are these homes free??
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Sharksbaja
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Just more prematurely retired boomers living off the wealth of their parents amassed fortune from CA real estate.
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eetdrt88
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????
we are considering buying a little place south of San Felipe in one of the campo's,its basically just a trailer but it has a great cover and a nice
little deck with a great view ,but honestly the nicest thing about this place is that has some space around it,not miles of space but a comfortable
amount of room between you and your neighbors unlike most places in O.C. that are pretty crammed together...so i guess the most confusing part of this
is that someone would spend all this money to have a home in a pristine place like Loreto and then you gotta have Joe,Bob,and Bill like right next
door...forgive me if i dont want to bring Joe,Bob,and Bill with me to my place in baja
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