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surfer jim
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Leave the ship there....many times sandbars develop around stuck ships with the resulting surf breaks where none existed before.....and they block the
wind also....
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lizard lips
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Just went out there again today to run the dog. I think if enough of us Nomads put our resourses together we could make the ship a new Lesiure World
for senior citizens if they cant get it back out to sea. Just think, it's close to Costco and the new Wallmart and Home Depot. Just a thought.......
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Bob H
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Legalize gambling and turn that sucker in to a nice waterfront casino!  
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The tug boats moved the bow and little bit last night so there is some progress. But, I think they will need the large equipment (huge anchored
hydrolic chain pullers) to get this thing back out to sea.
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6 tugs move grounded ship a few feet during high tide
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/20060111-9999-7m11...
By Sandra Dibble
January 11, 2006
ENSENADA ? For the first time since the container ship ran aground Christmas Day, its bow budged a few feet yesterday as six tugboats pulled on it
with a combined 40,000 horsepower.
Working in predawn darkness, salvage crews from Florida-based Titan Maritime LLC launched their greatest effort yet to float the 880-foot APL Panama,
taking advantage of lunar high tides, a lightened load and new equipment brought down from the United States.
The task promises to be arduous.
The vessel has been stuck in sand, parallel to the shore. Yesterday's effort moved the bow 10 degrees toward open water, said Michael Mallin, a
London-based attorney working for Titan and its parent company, Crowley Maritime Corp.
Two tugboats broke lines as they pulled.
"Centimeter by centimeter, the principle is that she will be gradually brought about until she heads out to sea," Mallin said.
The vessel, pounded by waves, had been getting increasingly stuck on this broad beach off a residential neighborhood south of the port of Ensenada.
Crews are expected to continue working over the next couple of days during morning high tides.
If the plan fails, salvage workers will consider two other strategies.
Tons of machinery and equipment already have been carried down by helicopter from National City, where the marine contractor R.E. Staite Engineering
Inc. has been a U.S. staging area for the operation.
Powerful hydraulic pullers are ready to be sent down, together with a 470-foot anchor chain that weighs more than 39,000 pounds.
Some are skeptical that this week's efforts will succeed.
"What they're trying to do is not easy," said Capt. Jose Luis R?os Hern?ndez, Ensenada's harbor master, pointing to the force of the surf and the
growing mounds of sand blocking the hull. "You're talking about 30,000 tons sitting in sand."
The load has been lightened in recent days as more than 2,000 tons of fuel has been removed and taken away by tanker trucks, but an additional 1,000
tons remains in the vessel's fuel tanks, Mallin said.
R?os said government officials are growing increasingly concerned about the strain on the hull and the possibility of a fuel leak. By today, they want
all fuel off the vessel, R?os said.
The operation is a delicate balancing act.
With a heavy load on top, crews must be careful about keeping the ship stable, and much of that has been done by filling its ballast tanks with
seawater. But to move the ship, some of that water must be quickly expelled to lighten its load.
"If they get rid of all the ballast, the stern would go down too hard," Mallin said.
If the effort is successful, the vessel could be afloat by this weekend. But if it fails, the hydraulic pullers will be flown down to augment the
power of the tugboats later this month.
The last resort would involve removing the containers, "but it's not easy discharging the cargo in that surf, and it's something we'd like to avoid if
we can," Mallin said.
The APL Panama, carrying more than 900 containers and a 25-member crew ? with a Croatian captain, a Polish chief engineer, and a crew from Myanmar ?
ran aground Christmas Day as it prepared to enter Ensenada's harbor.
Initial reports from the port said it appeared the ship ran aground after failing to wait for a pilot to guide it, but the ship's German owner has
said the strong currents apparently pulled the vessel off course as it was waiting for the pilot.
An investigator appointed by Mexico's Communications and Transportation Ministry will go over the testimony and evidence and decide what caused the
accident.
When he gave his account to port authorities, the captain was extremely upset, R?os said. "Sometimes with the spectacle and all the speculation, we
forget that this is a tragedy."
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Attempt To Free Stuck Cargo Ship Fails Miserably
http://www.kfmb.com/stories/story.34350.html
01-11-06 at 4:59PM
It?s huge, it?s heavy and attracting a wave of stares. It looks like an Oakland container ship stuck off a Mexican beach since Christmas Day won?t be
going anywhere anytime soon.
The ship was en route to Asia when strong currents apparently pulled it into shallow waters while entering the Port of Ensenada.
Even when you see it, it?s still hard to believe. The Panama stuck in the sand 100 feet offshore south of Ensenada.
Tourists are now riding on horseback, and the locals look on and laugh.
?You know nobody?s ever seen anything like that,? one man said.
But you can certainly see it now, and will probably have the opportunity for weeks. The 880-foot cargo ship is going nowhere fast.
Salvage crews? first plan ? to have tug-boats pull the ship during astronomical high tides this week ? hasn't worked. Freight helicopters are pulling
some of the cargo off, but unloading the more than 900 containers would be extremely dangerous ? and time consuming.
A final plan includes using the tugboats combined with powerful pullers to nudge the ship, but with so much sand building up on the other side, many
are skeptical that will work.
The crew of 25 wasn't hurt when the ship hit the sand, and those on board are being ferried off the Panama daily for breaks, but they are way behind
schedule. By now the boat was supposed to be well on its way to Asia.
If you're wondering how the Panama got stuck in the first place, there are a couple of different stories circulating. One is the captain became
impatient waiting for a guise and tried to do it alone and ended up in the sand. The other is that he was waiting, but strong waves pushed him off
course.
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Tugboats can't pull cargo ship stuck off Ensenada
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/20060114-9999-1m14...
By Sandra Dibble
January 14, 2006
ENSENADA ? A container ship and its cargo remained stranded in the surf south of the harbor yesterday, despite major efforts by a half-dozen tugboats
over the past four days to pull its bow away from shore.
Salvage workers are hoping for greater success next week with powerful hydraulic pulling machines that are being sent from the United States,
according to the owners of the 880-foot APL Panama, who were reached by telephone in Bremen, Germany.
"As soon as they are on the scene, we should be able to move the ship," said Jens Meier-Hedde, managing director of Mare Britannicum
Schiffahrtsgesellschaft MBH & Co., which owns the ship.
The APL Panama became grounded Dec. 25 as it prepared to enter the port of Ensenada. It was on a regularly scheduled trans-Pacific route that led from
Oakland to Mexico, then Japan, Taiwan and China. Pushed by surf and hemmed in by sand, the vessel had become increasingly stuck.
This week, workers from Titan Maritime LLC, a Florida company specializing in marine salvage, made a major push to float the vessel, taking advantage
of lunar high tides.
The challenge has been daunting. The vessel, which weighs about 15,000 tons, is carrying nearly 30,000 tons of cargo, Meier-Hedde said.
Seven tugboats pulling at full force yesterday morning ? a combined capacity of more than 40,000 horsepower ? moved the bow a few more yards away from
shore, and they are expected to repeat their efforts today.
"The principle is that very slowly, as she rolls, each time she displaces sand, the tugs pull, the ship is moved so it occupies that space," said
Michael Mallin, an attorney for Titan and its parent company, Crowley Maritime Corp.
The massive effort that began Tuesday has been partially successful. The bow has moved 20 degrees away from shore, about a fifth of the way that is
needed to pull it toward open water, Meier-Hedde said.
The salvage crews hoped that the tugboats would be able to do the job. But hydraulic pullers are being brought down on a special barge that was sent
from Seattle. The barge, 400 feet long and 100 feet wide, is at R.E. Staite Engineering marine contractors in National City, where workers have been
preparing to send it to Ensenada.
In Ensenada, government officials have followed the salvage efforts closely. The city's commercial port has seen its business rise by 75 percent over
the past year, and officials say it has been unaffected by the incident.
Yesterday, a top official from Mexico's Communications and Transportation Ministry, the director of its Merchant Marine division, was expected to
arrive in Ensenada. He was to partake in the daily meeting at the Ensenada harbor master's office that includes representatives of the salvage
company, the shippers and various government agencies.
Concerned about a possible spill, officials ordered all fuel removed from the APL Panama. Salvage workers complied this week, removing some 3,000
tons, said Ensenada's harbor master, Capt. Jos? Luis Rios Hern?ndez.
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Too bad for those poor CHINESE hidden inside the cargo container that planned to jump ashore.....
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Please.... My wife, would be seriously insulted by your comment. I know you mean that to be funny... but it is really more discriminatory and
racist than funny.
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
A day spent sailing isn\'t deducted from one\'s life.
Peace, Love, and Music
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but funny, none the less!!!
if you won't tell her we'll all just pretend it never happened...
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I think Jim was using actual documented events to base his joke and refering to their nationality, not race (China is a country)... Otherwise he would
have called them 'Asians'... right???
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I think Jim was using actual documented events to base his joke and refering to their nationality, not race (China is a country)... Otherwise he would
have called them 'Asians'... right??? |
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I don't want to make a big deal about a small (insensitive) comment.
Woody: One of the reasons discrimination and racism continues is simply because: "but funny, none the less!!! if you won't tell her we'll all just
pretend it never happened." Give it some tohught, my friend.
David K: Another reason discrimination and racism continues is simply because we rationalize and excuse it, and because of insensitive generalizations
about a group of people (whether based upon actions of the few - or not)... such as, ""I think Jim was using actual documented events to base his joke
and refering to their nationality, not race (China is a country)... Otherwise he would have called them 'Asians'... right??? "
.... and Dave answered you correctly - "No!"
Like I said, not a big deal, but it is humane to think about what we say, how we say it, and how it makes others feel. We all have potential for the
best and the worst.
With MLK day tomorrow.... I hope these brief comments have meaning for you.
djh
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
A day spent sailing isn\'t deducted from one\'s life.
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i don't think anyone meant any malice towards you, your wife, or the chinese in the containers. you should understand that. also, understand that a
little humor goes along way towards shining light in places even MLK would've approved of.
and, i have to work tomorrow so it isn't really a "holiday" for me....
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Thanks Woody.
I do understand that no malice was intended. Sorry you have to work tomorrow.... We do too.
Peace, Love, and Fish Tacos....
(I'll bet the fish consider THAT a bit discriminatory and "speciesist" of us all....  )
Ok, back to that ship stuck in da mud.
djh
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
A day spent sailing isn\'t deducted from one\'s life.
Peace, Love, and Music
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Well, in the interest of fair play, you are more than welcome to post some Scottish, Irish, German, Norwegian, Welsh, or most other north European
jokes (I have a bit of each in me)...
I think unless someone is personally picked on by name, you don't need to take ethnic jokes as a personal attack on any one person. You know very well
Surfer Jim had no idea your wife was Chinese.
Humor is meant to make someone smile... and that is a good thing. Far too many people like to hate... that is very sad indeed!
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it's amazing that the ship hasn't listed one way or another with all that weight up top.
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oil leaking from apl panama
and now beach access is extremely limited. playa conalep and playa hermosa are affected. we thought the fuel had been removed--3000 tons of it.
guess there was enough left to cause this mess. moods are beginning to darken.
lili
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And next you will tell me that NO Chinese have EVER come in these containers or jumped ship when it got near land.....so I have got it all
wrong....
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I'd love to get you...On a (VERY) slow boat to China
| Quote: | Originally posted by surfer jim
And next you will tell me that NO Chinese have EVER come in these containers or jumped ship when it got near land.....so I have got it all
wrong.... |
Certainly not in vessels leaving the U.S. bound for China via Mexico and Japan.
If so, they are either geographically dyslexic or homesick.
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