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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by oladulce
The thing about tamales Zac is that you shred the meat by hand, mix the masa with your hands, put hands-full of the mixture on the masa, then wrap
and tie it up in an hoja. |
And then subject the whole package to 212-degree steam for 45 minutes or so. Anybody know what the interior temps are in those conditions and what's
likely to come through it alive?
--Larry |
Yes ! c.Botulinum
240? F is needed for a period of time to kill it.
Unattainable except in a pressure cooker
Lero
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Kill limits
Funny how the remarks ended up here . Hmmmmm. Oh well..... my 2 more cents:
Rule of thumb..
Any food(s) with a ph factor of 4.3 (high acid)or higher requires a temp of 185F with a min time. Reguires refrigeration after opening.
Kills salmonella, others and prevents botulinum
Any foods with a ph factor of 4.3 or lower are to be retorted at 140F for a min time.
Kills botulinum but food must be treated as an immediate perishable once opened.
Foods like a high protein meat tamale usually run a ph of 5.5 and down.
Foods like salsa with high acid usually run near 3.9 or higher
You figure out the rest
[Edited on 1-19-2006 by Sharksbaja]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Funny how MY thread on potential tamale food-borne illness got by-passed and the remarks ended up here . Hmmmmm. Thanks a ton! Oh well.....
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Sorry Sharks-
It looks like I made my contaminated tamale comment at 11:17 on that day and then noticed your thread with a post time of 12:56. I figured we were
thinking about it at the same time, but were on different channels (me: Food Network you: Discovery Channel) and that eloquent insightful
composition of yours required more time to compose.
Does that help?
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Bob and Susan
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We ate at Carmalitas Sunday...GREAT....no problems...again
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Carmelita's Tamale Truck.....photos
Like Bob H said....a thread for photos of one of the classic wayside eateries on the Baja Road.
I personally don't eat many tamales because those damn corn husk things get caught in my teeth before you get to the good part...but I love the
burritos and ALWAYS get 3 for the road.
Wonder if we could convince her to move closer to Mulege...or my patio!?
[Edited on 1-19-2006 by Pompano]
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Sorry Bob H...I tried, but I can see it will do no good. Take it away, botulism fans.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oladulce
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Funny how MY thread on potential tamale food-borne illness got by-passed and the remarks ended up here . Hmmmmm. Thanks a ton! Oh well.....
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Sorry Sharks-
It looks like I made my contaminated tamale comment at 11:17 on that day and then noticed your thread with a post time of 12:56. I figured we were
thinking about it at the same time, but were on different channels (me: Food Network you: Discovery Channel) and that eloquent insightful
composition of yours required more time to compose.
Does that help? |
Yes, all betta now I edited my post to be mo nice . Must be all this steeenking rain! Tanks Dulce
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pompano
Sorry Bob H...I tried, but I can see it will do no good. Take it away, botulism fans. |
Pompano, I really like the photo you posted. If you look at the photos that have been posted youy will notice that Carmalita wears red a lot. When I
showed her the photo that I snapped on my digital camera she made a huge comment about her red apron saying she really loves RED. Maybe to match her
red hair? 
Bob H
PS: I edited the title of this thread - maybe that will help!
[Edited on 1-19-2006 by Bob H]
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The first time I met Carmelita, she was wearing bright red socks and I have seen her wearing something red every time I've stopped in (which is often
:0)
We'll stop, order four burritos each, finish those off in no time and be ordering another round.
Amigo!
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Carmelita's a few years back..I think 2002 or ?
I had posted this on another thread, but this is more pertinent..so..
Turning back the clock on Carmelita's .....
guess she likes green, too!
just a few years back...where she used to be under those great shade trees. That was our familiar landmark many moons ago...fuel if needed, but
burritos de res for sure!
Will be knoshing on some in a few days, I 'spect. Maybe this time I will try the burritos de Lite.
[Edited on 4-10-2006 by Pompano]
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Tamales
Call 'em "Hot Tamales" were I'm from. Hard to find anybody that makes 'em. Asked a lady if she'd make me a few, she said "too much trouble, only make
'em on special occasions". If you're ever in Natchez, MS try Fat Momma's. You won't be disappointed and you won't get sick.  tumble:
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Nobody ever makes "a few" tamales. The process is so labor intensive it doesn't make sense to make less than a bucketfull. Then you need to know
that you are going to be able to sell them or give them to friends & family the same day. That's why it's a Christmas tradition for many
families.
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Two weeks ago.
With the grandkids:
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That's what she told me
Oso, did you talk to the same lady? Ever been down on the state line between WA and OR, northeast corner?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Oso, did you talk to the same lady? Ever been down on the state line between WA and OR, northeast corner? |
1) Probably not.
2) Almost, once, in 1968. Left Portland, through La Pine and the pine barrens. Spent the night at Hole In The Ground, OR. (That's exactly what was
there.) Crossed NE corner of Cal, then down the NV side of the Sierras to AZ and Mexico.
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Oso...
Enterprise, Ore....Goose Lake...Alturas...Modoc country.
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Oregon Country.
Lived there for a year or two. That southern part is tough country. It's what's called "High Desert". Not a lot of pretty pics because it's not
pretty. Bad place to be in the summer, bad place to be in the winter. Just a bad place to be. Not a whole lot of fishing or anything else.
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It ain't dry here
and it never is!
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Sharksbaja, the pic is super. Making some serious moves to relocate in the Mulege area. Gonna be down there for a week and check things out soon. Know
that's not enough time. Will just do and see as much as time allows. Priorities are meeting people and looking at property.
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From many years ago.
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